Conversation 630-015

TapeTape 630StartMonday, December 6, 1971 at 3:30 PMEndMonday, December 6, 1971 at 3:34 PMTape start time01:42:54Tape end time01:48:12ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Woods, Rose MaryRecording deviceOval Office

On December 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:30 pm to 3:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 630-015 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 630-015

Date: December 6, 1971
Time: 3:30 pm - 3:34 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -Bermuda trip
               -Location
          -Strom Thurmond
               -His baby daughter
                      -Picture
                            -Timing
                            -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Maurice H. Stans’ report on trip to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
               -USSR
               -Henry A. Kissinger
                      -Haldeman’s forthcoming talk with Kissinger
               -Proposed cabinet meeting
                      -Need for closure
               -Stans’ reporting to the President
               -USSR
                      -Suggested plan
                      -Kissinger
               -President’s upcoming meeting with Stans
                      -Timing

     White House dinner for Pierre E. Trudeau, December 6, 1971
          -George P. Shultz
               -Invitation to dinner
               -John D. Ehrlichman

The President talked with Rose Mary Woods at an unknown time between 3:30 pm and 3:34 pm.

[Conversation No. 630-15A]

     Dinner
          -Shultz
                -Invitation
                      -Problems
          -Brazilians

[End of telephone conversation]

     Dinner
          -Shultz
                -Absence at dinner
                     -Problems [?]
                     -British
                     -French

Haldeman left at 3:34 pm.

                                                                              Conversation No. 630-016

Date: December 6, 1971
Time: 3:35 pm - 3:58 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Myles J. Ambrose, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz and Egil
(“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.; the White House photographer and a National Broadcasting Company
[NBC] file crew were present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Seating
           -NBC film crew

     Narcotics program

            -Krogh's briefing paper
            -Treatment of drug addicts
                 -Success
            -Foreign governments
                 -Turkey
                 -Thailand
                 -Laos
            -Drug pushers
                 -Prosecution
                       -Penalties
                 -Personnel
                 -Competition among government agencies
                       -Justice Department and Treasury Department
                       -Presidential directives
                             -A call to work together on the drug problem
                                   -No “snow jobs”
                                         -Jurisdictions
                                                -Possible solutions
                                                -Ports of entry
                                                -Internally
                                                -Internationally
                       -Solutions
                             -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
                                   -Law enforcement responsibility
                       -Office Economic Opportunity [OEO] and National Institute of Health
                              [NIH]
                       -Law enforcement
                             -Justice Department and Treasury Department
                                   -Responsibility equally shared
                                   -Bureau of Customs
                                   -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
                                   -Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs [BNDD]
                             -Grand jury
                             -Prosecution teams
                                   -Ambrose
                                         -Previous work
                                   -Street sellers
                                         -Impact on the community
                                         -Federal and state

                                                 -Team work
                                          -Foreign comparison
                                                 -Interdiction
                                                       -Success rate
                              -Grand jury
                                     -Safeguard of civil liberties
                              -Addict peddlers
                                     -Probable impact
                              -Local level
                                     -Federal government
                                          -Previous international involvement
                                                 -Turkey, Laos, Thailand
                                                       -Agreements
                              -Local law enforcement
                              -350,000 police officers
                                     -New York
                                     -Chicago; Los Angeles; Washington, DC
                                          -Police corruption
                                          -Problems
                              -Neglect
                                     -Number of years
                              -Apathy
                              -Heroin pushers
                                     -Effect on young people
                                          -Spiritually, morally and physically
                                     -Societies of the past
                                          -Southern hemisphere
                              -Statistics
                                     -Heroin seized
                                          -Cost
                                          -Convictions and arrests
                                                 -Increase
                                          -Program purpose
                                                 -Decrease amount of heroin on the street
                                                       -New York Times story
                                                       -New York police department
                                          -Dock strike
                              -Danger on the job
                              -Agent training

                                   -Quality of training
                                         -Unknown nature of addicts
                              -Federal-local cooperation
                                   -Jurisdictions
                                         -Exchanges of information
                                   -Cost
                                         -BNDD
                                         -Bureau of Customs
                                         -Shultz
                                                -Rising costs
                                         -IRS
                                         -Lawyers
                                   -New York grand jury
                                   -Justice Department
                                   -Law schools
                                   -Young lawyers
                                         -Criminal law
                                         -Equal rights and environment
                                         -Criminal law
                                                -Encouragement to enter
                                                       -Teachers
                                                -Political career
                                         -Corporate law
                                   -State Attorneys General
                                   -Law schools
                                         -Young lawyers
                                         -Louie Lefkowitz [?]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:35 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Pierre E. Trudeau meeting
                -Arrival time

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:58 pm.

     Narcotics problem
          -Law schools
                -Encouragement

                 -Criminal law
                      -The President’s past experience
                 -John N. Mitchell
                 -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                      -Lack of quality people
                            -Need for quality people
                 -John H. Alexander
                 -Chicago and Los Angeles
                 -Leonard Garment
                 -Law firm
                      -Alexander
                            -Unknown person

Ambrose, et al. left at 3:58 pm.

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Just one quick thing.
We just, on Bermuda, down at the bridge, I'm very anxious if you can say a government house.
I see you probably have to.
Put it in my book.
It gives you some of the privacy.
I put one thing down.
Strong Thurman wants to bring his baby into the picture.
I am talking to Paul.
It's Thursday.
I told Mark at 12 noon it would be a good time if he could bring him in.
This makes him a good man, a good type of man.
Another thing, uh, Stan wants to report to me on his trip to Russia.
I know, I've got that.
And it's, uh... How's he doing?
Well...
I don't know if we want to catch him.
Maybe we want to squeeze the Russians for the rest of the time.
We're going to raise a quarter more.
It's hard.
But ask Henry.
My view about it is to get the damn thing over with by doing it in Kansas City.
And then let me talk to Cole.
Well, that was our plan.
He's tried to move around.
He said he knows he's going to report to the cabinet.
He understood that that was suggested, but he still feels he needs to report to the president.
Okay.
Okay.
Did they finally work Schultz into that thing tonight?
I don't see a problem with Schultz.
He was censored because he was included.
John told me the way back, so I had to get to the room.
Somebody's off.
I don't know.
I guess I need to go home.
He's been there a great hundred times.
Were you able to work that Schultz thing out?
The dinner poster helped him.
How are you doing?
David's not coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, it's too bad.
We're sorry.
He should be included in something in the future.
Now, look.
What you doing?
What is it?
For the Brazilians?
You had it for that purpose.
Now, the other thing is this.
I don't think that if you haven't filed anything, I don't think they should be included tomorrow.
You've got them tomorrow night also.
Yeah, because we've been heavily loathing, you know, they've been loathing.
I know, you know what I mean.
This is... All right.
Okay, fine.
All right, fine.
I understand.
That's the way it should be.
That's the way it should be.
I just want you to know, if you have a problem, I can pay you.
All right.
Okay.
Fine.
Why at all?
I guess that's whatever we worry about.
Well, as you said, well, it's noticed when he's not there, but it doesn't make any talk about this.
Now, about that, he's not going to go to these meetings.
You understand?
He's not going to go to the meetings.
See, that's the reason I didn't have him.
And I didn't put him on because he's not going to the British.
He's not going to the French.
He's not going to the British.
And that's not going to be a change on that, right?
Because we're not getting either one of these two state permits.
Yeah.
Yeah.
OK.