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Nixon & Bull on Pensions and White House administration

Monday, December 6, 1971 · 6:38 PM–6:40 PM ET · Oval Office · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.Conversation630-021 on Tape 630 (tape position 04:52:48–04:54:14)StartMonday, December 6, 1971 at 6:38 PMEndMonday, December 6, 1971 at 6:40 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 630-021 ↗

President Nixon met with his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to coordinate scheduling and manage upcoming meetings. The discussion centered on logistics for engagements involving Norman Vincent Peale, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and legislative affairs staff, alongside specific administrative matters regarding pensions and tax deductions. Nixon emphasized the need for efficiency, instructing Bull to keep conversations brief and streamline the flow of visitors.

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We will go ahead and talk some matters, but we don't want to have long discussions.
Just say we'll go ahead and have a discussion.
It's just a problem afterwards.
We don't have time for that.
No, I don't think we should.
Our tenant has been coming before now to Powell, and as soon as he goes out, I'm going to tell you the plan.
He needs to see you on this pension thing, and it's really already decided.
I have $6,500 with a deduction.
I help out.
I help out.
And if I reveal that Todd is outside, you want to have him walk back.
Okay, fine.

On December 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:38 pm and 6:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 630-021 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 630-021

Date: December 6, 1971
Time: Unknown between 6:38 pm and 6:40 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     The President's schedule
          -Norman Vincent Peale [?]
                -Lunch, New York City
                      -Timing
          -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
          -William E. Timmons
          -Peter M. Flanigan

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

                 -Pensions
                       -Deductions
            -Alexander P. Butterfield
            -National Broadcasting Company [NBC] film crew

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:40 pm.
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  • 630-023 6:51 PM · 33 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 6:51 pm.
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Conversation 630-021, December 6, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/630-021 (accessed October 12, 2026).