{"conversationCode":"631-005","tapeNumber":631,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-631-005","startDateTime":"1971-12-07T21:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-07T21:33:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Dec-1971","startTime":"4:29 PM","endDate":"7-Dec-1971","endTime":"4:33 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Saunders, Harold H.;","description":"On December 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Harold H. Saunders met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:29 pm and 4:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 631-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 631-005\n\nDate: December 7, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 4:29 pm and 4:33 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\nThe President talked with Harold H. Saunders.\n\n     Henry A. Kissinger's location","filename":["631-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:03:21","tapeEnd":"02:03:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Saunders, Harold H."],"prevCode":"631-004","nextCode":"631-006","transcript":[{"start":1.1,"end":5.25,"text":"Oh, he just stepped out."},{"start":5.29,"end":5.83,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":5.87,"end":6.45,"text":"He's in there."},{"start":6.89,"end":8.56,"text":"He's out in the outside office."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Harold H. Saunders to ascertain the current location of National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. The brief encounter served solely as a logistical check to locate Kissinger within the West Wing complex. No policy discussions occurred, and the exchange concluded immediately once Kissinger's whereabouts were confirmed in the outer office.","topics":["Henry Kissinger","White House logistics","Presidential scheduling","Harold H. Saunders"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:24:05.591Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-kissinger","white-house-logistics","presidential-scheduling","harold-h-saunders"],"audioDurationSec":11,"audioFiles":[{"file":"631-005.mp3","bytes":445958,"durationSec":11.02,"bitrate":323689,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.362Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:10.441Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/631-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/631-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/631/conversation-631-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}