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He's over with Tommy, and he's ready for 12.

And so I'm going to hand it back to him.

He's here as well.

And I'm going to hand it back to him.

And I'm going to give it to him.

Why didn't Rodgers want it?

But he did it first, and then he got the thing, and then Carl, this is one of the things that he did on the weekend, Rodgers agreed.

Yeah.

But then he got the thing, and then Carl got the thing, and he got upset, and he talked about this airplane a lot, and then he got the thing, and then he got the thing, and then he got the thing, and then he got the thing.

First of all,

And we don't kind of talk around it.

So this is the thing about how we work into it ourselves.

Where it comes out is that Alan feels that Henry is, first of all, the quitting business is just another drug.

Henry knows perfectly well he can't do it and wouldn't necessarily have to.

But it means that we've got to play with the hard money.

Yes, sir.

Oh, good.

I told him how I felt.

And I said, the President feels the same way.

And I said, I wonder what would be on that.

And that's not the first thing I said.

Now, what I've never realized is that everybody has great thoughts, including the President.

And the president is going to sit there and tolerate all this crap and forever.

This is what I've said.

He's got a lot of problems with the road and this whole domestic stuff.

We've got a long, long fight with Congress.

We've got a political campaign coming up and the whole question of who fits where and all that.

We can only push the president so far, and he's going to at some point.

Henry's going to come in with one of these temper tantrums.

And the president's going to go in and go something.

Right?

And we're here without him.

And we don't know how he did that to us.

And obviously, there's no question that there's people, immensely valuable.

But there's also no question that he is not indispensable.

And there's nobody here who isn't needed out here on life.

I'll tell you what we can do if you want to keep him.

And we didn't have to get much of an email from him on that point.

It's just got to be made as a pressure.

I know, sir.

And it's weird to me.

And you're approaching it exactly right.

And the worst thing you can do is lie down and say, oh, Andrew, please don't quit.

And see, what I said to the other man, I don't think I coached Andrew.

And he said, you know, first of all, if you can't work out an effective process, if the bureaucracy's all screwed up, you've got to think of a way to get that straightened out.

Then you're free to leave.

You've got to work out.

You can't just do it like this.

And that's it, you know.

Exactly.

And I'll tell you what my view of that is.

I think Henry is specifically the king.

He's the right guy to have a good voice.

And the reason

For that is, Henry is doing his social life, and then he's coming back and worrying about this stuff, and he's on the phone to me at 2 and 3 in the morning, almost every night.

He said, I continue to remember to talk to him, but he's worrying more than I am.

He said, there's another problem, which is that Henry's bored.

bored with the problem of fighting any people that he doesn't think are worthy of his having to even recognize alone which is

He said, another very serious factor in this is that for the first time in his life, Henry was more at fault.

He's partly at fault, maybe more at fault than anybody in what went wrong.

And he knows it.

And I said, well, that's the end of it.

We should have done this.

We should have done that.

And I got it.

something he recommended, and I always said no.

And I was way out of it.

And I said, in this kind of fact, the president was out ahead of it, pushing him on a trip.

And I said, that's right, he was.

And I said, well, did Henry want to squeeze the Russians in the first place?

He used to let me.

I said, no, no.

Did Henry want to put this news out in India and condemn it?

And the president said, no, no.

Okay.

He said, what was happening there?

I said, did Henry

was playing along the same way he usually does, which is only to fight as much as he has to, unless the thing goes up to the brain, and then thinks he can smash it out.

And he succeeded in that, I think, while he was in his other court, and that's what Dougie was talking about.

And we all love this, because he didn't see how close to the brain it was.

It was more complex than any of the others.

There were too many things to think about, and he didn't get a hold of them.

And so did I. Hello?

Hello?

Didn't my old friend from North Carolina just get a day older without my getting a drag race job?

I made sure.

That's right.

You know, I had an idea.

I had a job with a mechanic.

And, uh, he said, I'll let you know when I come back.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

And, uh, he, uh, he had said, you know, he was, I had called him because, you know, he's cold.

He's got an awful good job.

So I'm here today.

So I called him.

And he said, he called me.

He said, it was the best.

He said, it was my wife.

Her dad was my birthday.

You know what I mean?

Isn't Mother still with me?

I'll give her, I'll give her a call.

I know it's Mother.

Well, well, you know.

Oh, well, that's, oh, that's wonderful, wonderful.

Oh, yes.

I think I've been here a long time.

I was gone for the weekend.

But his wife, his mother's still living.

Yeah.

But his wife is still...

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, anyway... Oh, I know he is.

I know he is.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, we appreciate your friendship, Charlie.

It's all mine.

Oh, there's somebody else.

Somebody else.

The former senator of North Carolina, Willis Smith, and her son, you know, we can't, I don't know, they'll have to change that name in North Carolina.

Probably Mr. Bill.

You know, we were very close to the member I told you about.

I mean, that's one of those things that's pretty good.

That's one of the things that I understand as a failure, more of a proxy failure of the administration.

Which, as it was out there, had a certain history.

And got to recognize all the great men in history had many more failures than successes.

And since they had the right successes, the crushes started happening, and they were happening all the time.

They were all out there then.

And the church would say, look at Daniel again, and he turned it off.

And he left with it.

The Pope didn't.

Now, exactly.

Also, there's something in the end with a lot about the things that I'm trying to get angry at.

I don't know what they'll be able to do this year.

There are some things that are going to come out.

He's, uh, he's thinking it's not right.

Now, because I have a problem.

The thing that I was thinking about is that there is an analogy to the problem as far as

Trying to do a bureaucracy.

And there was a time when it had been unbelievable.

Al said one thing that I didn't realize until my own staff came in and talked to me.

Because I've been out and in and he's not a parent.

I'm working on a lab and he can't spend a lot of money.

And he's got to spend a bit of money.

And he said his staff came in and said, you've got to start running the lesson games.

They said, reintroducing is cool.

And Al said he didn't believe it, but he got his report, and then he went down to the White House.

And Henry, as a parent, is completely blown apart, literally, in Wessoning, where he slung his books down and walked out of the meetings and left these undersecretaries and stuff sitting there shaking their heads, wondering what the hell was going on.

I told him that I thought he was ready for an emotional blow-up.

And Al came back and turned to him, and he said, I've got a reason for it.

Wessoning is, and has been, and is now, an open rebellion

They, they, and Alan Henry came in while I was sitting there, and he popped in and said, you can't go talk to your mother-in-law.

He said, you're going to have to meet with, with what's his name?

He said, you want to carry out your Indian-Pakistan plan, because they didn't do it.

They didn't take orders.

They had a flatly refused.

And, uh, Alan, the bill intended is, is to go early, but, uh, and early to go, you know,

Well, I was talking to him and he said there's some child sitting out there, I don't know if you've seen him anywhere, but as clear as they are, he was openly defying Henry at this point.

And that's, you know, where he gets it.

And he's probably set himself up for it, but he's, you know, when he blows like that, he lands himself, of course, in there.

But, you know, we've got to recognize

wait, wait, we can't go any, we can't back down to us all, but we, and we've lost two of us, we've lost this one, and we've lost another one, and there's got to be some help.

And I said, well, we've discovered that, you know, and they can't be very, you know, but they can't go very far, and we may not be able to do that, we can't do that fast, and that's the worst of it, you know.

Well, we've got to talk about that, you know, how we can do it, you know.

I don't know if I should be sure about that during each outing here, but...

I remember getting a hang of this here, but I'm not very bright.

I didn't even go out on that kind of day.

God damn it, it's too big, right?

Yeah, no more.

Right?

Yep.

Why do you want to be a lawyer?

You know, Allen is one of the good leaders in any of Allen's problems, and there's Roger too.

A problem, but Roger can stop being motivated.

Roger does not have to do any art.

He is a doctor.

He is definitely motivated, and he will continue at the expense of the president.

They can change that through his own front-facing fiction.

But he won't do anything intentionally, and there is no way he can do any art.

You can't just sort of recognize both, right?

You can't do both.

You can't judge what is bad to you.

But how can you judge?

And for you to recognize that the both of you and I know is that when anything comes, what we do, what we put to right is what we do.

He does what he's supposed to do.

And he does always end up doing properly or well.

But he never, he never sabotages or knows what it is he's supposed to do.

to the current campaign.

He said, we're in now a series of diplomatic and so forth decisions that are far tougher than Cambodia.

And we're going to really hang in.

We're going to get this done.

I don't know what you mean by that.

I said, I don't know what you mean by that.

We did everything wrong to ourselves.

And I don't think that is true at all.

He said, we can't even come out of a bad job like this.

If we come out of a bad job, we would have had to do things earlier.

But we can still come out.

And we can come out where we want to come out.

We're going to have to play and play like the Soviets did, like they played well.

And so we can come out of it.

We'll take care of things if we have any, if we have any hands up on how this has to be solved.

I just thought that we could get a handle on the leaves of the other thing.

We can't do a job without that.

Now we've got a, if this is done right now, and we do that, if this is done right then we can't do anything about it.

Well, let's go back.

It always comes up the other side here.

Well, look, to me, if everything's come up, if everything's come up, it's a bigger crisis.

You can't go in and say, you know, you're the worst man, you're the worst man.

But, and, and, well, it's all, it's all, it's all the same.

It's all the same.

I mean, everything's come up.

It's a bigger crisis.

The other thing I would say to King Edward Higgins, what Brian Higgins did over the years, he ended up there, but he is not a, at that time, you know, he's not a concentrated doer.

He does get into something and stay there and watch it flip.

And he's bored very easily.

It's kind of because he knew how to look at it.

I mean, sir, the smorgasbord type, he loves, loves seeing a little bit of everything, rather than sitting down and really going out and walking and running over to call him or something crazy.

You know, he thinks that, you know, you know, he says, you know, we'll be in the subway, we're going to be, you know, better than that.

But he would do it, you know.

That's why I always suggest that you see the, see the,

I may be right on time, but we have to focus on the community and the maintenance of others.

If you would help continue to give a recommendation in any way, we will see if I can find something on the table first.

Well, I'll make sure you're ready.

I think we have a couple of minutes left.

I think we may be right on time.

On the other hand, CBS is going to be in Iran, and I'm not here.

So we will just not get on that much of a reason.

There's another reason.

We can't hear you.

So I might have a good time to do it.

I just don't want to be suffered into doing it and sitting around.

I can't hear you.

Why don't we just make a Vietnam announcement?

Or why not?

I want to go on right out of Vietnam.

I guess I'm going to be able to spend the time regarding here we need to be here.

You see what kind of place you're in for me.

I've got to prepare to say to you, you know, I need to prepare for this.

And I also have to prepare for some sort of a, you know, if I do this, I won't have a restaurant.

So please let me see it.

Now, my being in the restaurant, in other words, that's called this, the restaurant in that month, I'm getting free, damn right.

I'm supposed to be in the same room.

Why would I be in the same room in the hall?

No, but I mean, you know, taking that item,

I don't know.

I just don't know whether we...

I don't know whether the president said anything about it at all.

It's very funny.

I just wonder if the... You've got all 300 of us.

I just don't know what these steps do.

I don't know what I'm doing.

Yeah.

I think.

And actually, the radiance is so bad, I can't speak to it or anything.

I've redone it a goddamn lot.

You can get outside of the area and just walk straight into those.

But I understand that, if I understand this is going to be more, not a, because I've got a boss in the house, but it's got to be kind of a organized, total agreement with each other.

I'm sorry to get the goddamn band together with you.

It's good.

It's not bad.

It's very, very good.

But Greg also liked it.

Everybody else around here is learning that, but I haven't seen that.

Well, let's not talk about that.

I'd like to know what's the problem.

Now, let's see whether they call the police.

And apparently, they're going to call the police.

They're going to call the police.

And I think you've got to start knocking stuff.

But let's face it, I was looking at the thing this morning.

If there's one thing that comes through on the musty business, is that if there's more than anything else, you just don't.

You know what I mean?

He said he's not setting any fires.

Well, there just ain't got that kind of a fire.

He said he's gone.

Right?

Definitely gone.

Yeah.

Because we can get the audience going, you know, and they know, and they like, you know, our work.

But you know, we should be playing with our problems in the city in an artistly, bigger way.

Thank you.

It was a favorable person.

The whole, the way he

I think we got worried.

Then nobody was believing in what was going on around them.

And they said, I don't think anything's going to happen around them.

But kind of circling back and forth, and that's something that had time to go on for a long time.

But coming in, you can't pretend you're God, but pretend you are God.

And the crowd thought that that's the word.

But then, in the first full time, it would go on for a long time.

And then, come in.

That was the first time I've ever seen him, so I think that makes more of a difference.

You know, I've seen my alter in my team.

And so, he doesn't have it as clear to me now as the only man I've ever seen in this party is that candidate.

And so, you know, I wasn't ever happy with the other party at the time, but now I'm happy with him.

And I'm proud of what he's done for me.

And I didn't hate what he's done for me.

It's not too long ago that we, our lives have gone very different now, and we don't know the reason why they aren't here.

You know, you can't wait to get off the bus.

Just take the parking lot.

I don't want that, but either of us can't be in this spot.

We can't find it.

We can't see it.

Right.

Put your hand on the right hand.

No, you can't.

You can't.

No, you can't.

There are others that can't see it.

I think in California, no one can see it at all.

Here, you have the right hand.

Hold that hand.

That's the right hand.

He didn't drop California, did he?

He doesn't have to go anywhere.

And that's the deal he's got with Bucky.

In fact, on a basis that if Bucky makes it, then he's with him.

If Bucky doesn't make it, then...

Well, I just wanted you to know that Pat and I have been thinking a lot about you after that tragic accident on Saturday, and we felt so close to you, of course, to us, and your son, who was so wonderful for us in 1958 in that campaign.

It took a lot of courage, and I advise not to waste time with Senator Becker, who's now with the Billy Franks, better than Charlotte, and who was talking a little about, reminiscing about the campaign, and he was looking to find, well, it's hard to understand how some of these things happen, but we just want you to know that we thank so much of you, and we hope so much of you can, and we...

Well, I didn't learn this until I got back.

I was in Florida, and I didn't learn it.

I just couldn't believe it.

I said, my goodness.

Just one of those reasons.

Yeah.

All right, now you just, if you'll sit through, you're a strong one.

Yeah, you will.

And that's what he wants you to do, and that's what we'll assume.

They're all strong.

Yeah.

Well, thank you very much.

I sure will tell you.

All right.

Yeah, I will tell you.

Well, there are a lot of things to do about it.

But the problem we have, I guess the reason I didn't see you yesterday.

Wait, I didn't see you yesterday.

I saw you on the network.

And I didn't mind the fact that there's no less power.

Well, I know.

We've all heard.

But I didn't mind the fact that there's no less power.

What they did to us in 16, they'll do definitely again and it might be a little less if we're just a little kinder to them and also a little fatter at the same time.

I don't think we're going to get as bad as we got this time.

Excuse me, at 16, I don't see how we could.

Because they're just going to be watching far closely and it's a smart experience.

We don't have a lot of people right now and they have all these other people that have both of these guys that's got something on them.

And they have all these other people that have nothing on them.

Yeah, I've heard that.

Yeah, I mean, she's the best doctor I've ever seen.

Why is that?

Because the first time she told me about it, you know, it was amazing.

But I don't know.

That's why I got her on today.

I'm talking to her on television.

Yeah.

She's getting good problems.

Is it?

I don't think they were allowed to do it, but yeah.

You didn't have to see her dancing before.

You didn't?

And we got John Engle.

He was supposed to be the one to hear about the whole Blackbird investigation.

It was an enormous break for him.

He doesn't know this stuff.

He's kind of got to start an argument.

An honest and level-headed person.

They've got to do those things.

And we've got another little captain called Luffley, and he had to...

So I think we do it better.

We have to do better.

Well, and that makes sense.

Everything we do has to do with that.

Oh, I know what to do with it.

It's good.

It'll be so good.

It'll be the best of the one I want.

We definitely need a better audience.

It's the biggest.

Right.

And they have to be funny.

I don't know if they're going to be funny.

They'll get a big audience.

They'll get an audience.

I don't know what I mean.

There you go.

You'll get a big audience.

How do you deal with, uh, with calm, uh, in an apartment?

I don't know what the hell he's doing with all these bars.

He's hurting a bunch of bastards and all this stuff.

These kind of guys are fucking police.

I think that's how he is.

I'm sorry.

I'm just kidding.

That kind of crap.

That's hell.

Hell.

He's got a birdie in his case as well.

Yeah.

He's got a, uh, that's the, uh, JTAC coming up next week again.

Yeah.

All the trips.

I can't think of a big thing.

Henry has problems.

Henry's sort of a lord.

He's busting around here and there.

He plays small people all the time.

They're getting so worried.

That's the way it is.

He hasn't said a thing in a little while.

Really?

Yep.

He's got a funny name.

He's got a journal.

He's got such a way that I don't think he's able to.

He hasn't said a thing in a little while.

And he hasn't said anything in a little while.

Well, I have something to tell you.

Uh-oh, what is the prospect?

This week, so I don't see any possibility.

They're right there in the frame.

He's going to hurt the bus.

This is what many people consider to be quite a small program.

It's a big signal, that way, and sometimes it goes to the kitchen.

It's a huge signal.

The person on the other side of it will never sign it.

So, this is incapable of making itself look good, which, well, it just is that way.

See that?

It makes everything look bad.

And he just, you know, he, if you don't know him, he well might be behind himself.

Mark Lewis is great.

Well, I mean, Jim Warren Burger is a very bright man, very, at least not intellectual giant.

Well, I heard of him in his class, Bob.

He's not on that top list.

I know.

He was like, marvelous, maybe better than a brilliant man.

Well, after Jim Warren was done running, the guy that leads the class in Harvard is not this kind of guy.

He's like, he's repeating.

Right.

That's another thing, too.

But Rehnquist, he said, didn't come.

Rehnquist is a scientist.

Well, I told him.

And I remember the two men, Powell, and his office, and he was like, Dave, Dave, you know, they don't write names for us.

So Powell was, Powell was a great, Powell was a Texas general guy, and he heard some things, and he heard some good things.

He said, he said, they're taking down a five-ball team.

He said, five?

And he said to me, I said,

I'm telling you, he's not effective at it.

He's not effective.

Thank God, that's what I'm saying.

Black is a good man.

Solid, strong, hard-working, honest.

He's a good man.

All of them.

He's a great guy.

He's a good man.

I think that's the main thing.

Maybe you'll find another one like it.

But I think it might involve several ideas.

Those that are absolutely right.

By the way they have it set up now, so I can do it, I guess.

What was it, tomorrow?

I've got to keep the name clear, just clear.

I was going to practice Samaria, but I didn't have much to see.

Well, I didn't have to see.

I could put off reading them more.

We have more reading, but I'm going to mention it again tomorrow.

Tomorrow we have to clear things through.

We have to... And...

Yeah.

I don't think you can do it over there.

I'd rather have an empty house.

It's a proper room.

I want to leave, or get ready to get the smell of the prison.

Stay with me.

I just want people to be like, oh, I don't think he's sad.

I don't know what to say, but I just want people to be like that.

It's a hell of a road here to call it.

It's a hell of a road.

Really what you want there is a man that's funky, rather than a man that goes for his own.

That's why Russ was the right kind of guy, you know what I'm saying?

Right.

So tomorrow is a big swap.

Yeah.

All you can do is run it all, you know, run it all through, buddy, and take it out.

All right.

Hey, let's start, let's get it done.

Let's start tomorrow and let's get it out of the box.

And that's the challenge.

We'll feel mortified if it is.

But try.

We don't even plan it.

But don't do it so that I'm fired up.

I never like it when I'm talking 15 minutes.

But that's something that could be pushed back a little bit.

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We got walls in our direction.

I don't know what you were talking about.

No, no, I mean, we're just going to take this one here.

I was talking about something.

Well, if I didn't know what you were talking about, sorry, I had to remove that.

I'm not swearing, but yeah.

I'm not going to do any of those.

That's right.

No, come on.

Come on.

That's fine.

We'll have to do it a long time.

Good.

And that says we're going to have that.

Thank you, sir.

I can't remember the name.

Bill signed it, you know, but I didn't know.

I don't know.

Are you reading through something?

It's here.

The wall is steaming.

The water is raining.

And, uh... What else do you want me to mark?

You said, uh, oh, uh...

He wants you to come in.

Well, that's here, too.

I'll put this on the service level.

That's a ceremony.

It's got to be a pretty good thing that they want to do it at.

This is the way you say it, bystander.

We don't want to go to my kids.

They're burning up.

Fine.

It's a big ceremony.

It's a small ceremony.

It's going to be held here.

I guess so.

Whatever they want.

Let's do that tomorrow.

The White House is going to be there.

Yeah, we'll do it.

Here in the room.

I think the plan is to do that.

Right.

Okay, let's get that done.

What other options?

Well, we have several audio tapes that we have.

Get out of the way.

They've got this all pretty well.

They're right up there.

Okay?

Uh, the other thing is maybe be ready to get out of the way.

We've got a new photograph of the same time.

You know, if you want to be interviewed, we can turn down the interview.

If you send an article from a call, I hear everything.

So, if you can tell me this is where you bring it.

Microphone.

Oh, now there's a whole thing on, on, uh, U.S. religious sort of thing.

I don't want to do it so we know the questions we're going to answer.

And that's a good thing for all of you to talk about.

We'll answer the questions.

I think it's done.

Or if they've got one, I think they both want it.

Yeah, like Gilbert did anything hanging on fire.

I don't know.

I don't know what he had to do with it.

He said to have it, but you're already sending out anyone to protect you with a piece of porcelain from Copenhagen.

I don't know.

Don't put it on the schedule.

I don't want people to put things on the schedule and go over there and start you on the can, baby.

And see if they're going to do the best of the techniques, but they must not put things on.

Just probably.

There is a problem there in that power.

I know, but sometimes, you know, we get caught in the head of it, but we don't tell our enemies.

We never tell our friends.

But I just don't want to put it on when it's on the can.

What we're looking for here is not too important for somebody to understand what he said.

But it's just refusal.

It's not supporting the aim.

We do not.

We can't tell you that.

And then don't murder her.

No, they're not friends of ours.

No, they're not.

Yeah.

They have names.

Yeah.

But they probably did send a formal message.

Yeah, the first thing they did, they called me.

He's a Democrat.

And you and I didn't go to a dentist.

That's just a few weeks because of something.

I don't know why.

We had it because of something.

That's all we know.

Yeah.

And this guy, yeah, he was a long-standing ophthalmologist.

He died right at the table.

All right, we stepped in.

For some of the everyday life, I think I'm better.

Yeah, I know.

You can do it any way you want.

You can go right to the East Circle border or you can come back to Washington.

Here's what I had in mind to get the press out of the way.

I'm glad that they're coming up here to do this.

But those problems are here to get to today.

Well, I was thinking of that, but I'm wondering if we could do it without having that.

You've got those Florida people who are not...

I wonder how many Marines are hanging around.

I don't think that many.

Why not just do the White House Press Plus, the local, uh, if you like, you could pick the Miami Herald guy, you know, he'd come there.

I don't think my idea would be to do it Friday.

Or, I don't know, with a cold, we did it.

It'd be better to do it Friday.

If you did it cold, we did it Wednesday.

No, no.

I don't think he wanted to try and do it right at me to get back into him.

He could take off a couple of days.

Take me to a Friday.

I haven't talked to Ron about it at all.

I don't know if that idea of the bar building until Monday would work anyway.

But then you lose the TV.

You don't care.

Well, I think we're not doing the TV.

That's my point.

Yeah, well, listen.

You're gonna make a hell of a lot of TV shows with the characters anyway.

And they have great people.

I don't know, a lot of people.

Yeah, we can do it.

Oh, Christ, yeah, this is what I think I should probably do.

So it's all on your phone.

I need a ceremony and all the same other things.

I don't think we really have to be concerned about painting a TV or painting a goose or a goose.

Why don't you do it on Saturday?

Do it Saturday morning down there at 4 or 5 in the evening.

Take a bottle in there.

And you don't do it on the apartment.

You just do it.

And you make it Saturday night TV, but let that work with you sometimes.

And you can take Wednesday and Thursday off.

Yeah.

Work on Friday to get ready for it.

Do the press thing Saturday morning and then leave.

I'll give you five minutes.

No pressure.

You have to do it.

You can do it after the press conference.

I don't know what your plans are, but you don't have to get there because it's either Saturday night or not.

You won't get there for time.

Yeah.

My guess is that we, you know, I could leave, I could leave, uh, in Florida then.

I don't think it'd be important, you know, to, uh, easily, to be redirected to, uh, nowhere we get to stop.

You know, I'd stop here.

I'd stop here.

We'd have problems with the rest and everything, and then, uh, then we'd go up to New York, uh, I would think that we would want to leave New York for a while.

Maybe four or five years.

I've heard all the content is all set up anyway.

You don't have Steve or Alex or anybody else in the team.

He knows all about the finance anyway.

I work on mine.

I mean, you're correct.

I might be able to stay down there and do it.

You can do it down there.

But again, things, you know, another thing it does is it, look at, you never, why doesn't it have a limited crew?

It makes it smaller.

It does, in order to get them off.

We don't tell them who I'm here.

And I just thought that would be a lot.

That's what we need to have every morning.

Every morning when you come out over there.

And when you sit and talk to them, they're going to give you a chance to go to great lengths.

You know, they've got a very full year in the press company, with the lumbar glistening and just, you know, running.

I don't get to do the lumbar glistening.

And then after that, do the time interview.

Or if you want to do the time interview, probably you can get it out of the way.

If you've got work to do, press conference briefing.

You might want to have a time interview probably in the morning, and then work the rest of the day probably in the press company.

In time, either way, I'm wondering if you know, if you just want to do the reading before everything else probably ends, right?

Yep.

Although it won't be hot news, but it won't be a lot of subjects.

Well, I mean, it's certainly not, because it goes on and on and on.

I think the time people would prefer to do their factors.

Why do you want to do this, sir?

Oh, he says it right after they cut it.

Just think, you know, when you think.

Yeah, but he wants to go to the offices up here.

Yeah.

That would be, well, I'm not doing it.

You don't have to go to the office.

It's a great place to talk about that.

I can say, hello, I'm going to go in and do this for me, and then you want to do it here.

Yeah, and say, well, here's what I do, and so forth.

And that's something he, you know, he has a better, I don't want to do it.

Well, I would do, I'd be well with him to do that tomorrow, I'm going to say that.

You don't have a Okay.

I don't know if you could think about it for a second.

You might want to consider doing it here and then taking time off to Camp David.

Yeah.

And talking a little about Camp David, too, and how you work in there and how you go alive.

Now, that may be a very bad idea, to be honest with you, Ross, because we haven't lifted the curtain on Camp David.

Me either.

But they just need something from that.

Show them your study of Camp David, too.

But no, you can't just hold that bottle and see everything you've done in there, you see?

Yeah, I can do that, and then I can come up to you and say, I'm watching this come in.

You can't say, if you think, walk around and see what it is.

And then you can write about the swimming pool or about the study.

Now, the only thing I'm going to say, I'm going to say this.

You're talking about real crazy work, you know.

So what if this, taking that child to the, I agree with you, you said this is a lot of firewood, but then taking it back to your setting, the back part, and said, this is what I said.

Work on my yellow pad.

That's a nice little run, isn't it?

So it's not just about thinking of being, but always differing.

I agree.

I think it's hard to do that.

All right, we'll do that.

If you're in, wrap up.

Crap customers.

Don't know.

50, 60, 70 people.

Hopefully on rest.

Right.

One second, funny bird.

Sorry.

You've got no problem finding what happened with these trips.

Nobody's going to question you.

The only thing that's going to be over it is the path that I've seen.

That will, that you are going to glorify in the future.

It's going to be fantastic.

So, well, it had to get it wrapped up.

I can get that in line today, and I think it was 17.

So, uh, it's... 27, 23rd.

In fact, that's the first year that we got to do it.

We've seen that period unscheduled anyway today.

I keep it from Saturday through Thursday.

I just come home tonight from Thursday.

Yeah.

And the morning of the 24th period, thanks God, without the extended hours, I would be in that cleaned up.

Today, we're going to get rid of the board.

You have to go to California.

I know, but I don't have to go there.

That's right.

And so I think I'll go to Florida.

Good.

Basically, I don't think that my home is going to California.

It's just there in the cold.

It was pretty rough last time.

Good.

So I'm going to go to Florida again.

That's great.

And then go from there on Wednesday.

See, my point is to go on Wednesday night.

That's the thing that I mean, that I think you, you know, I think we, I think we Saturday night, yeah, after the football game.

Saturday night, the word, Florida.

I think it's Saturday morning.

You know, I think it's Saturday morning.

Do you want to know what's the game Saturday night?

It's Sunday morning, I thought it was.

I think that's what I would do.

I don't care.

It's a great thing to fly up and see you wipe off.

But then you see the band is going forward to the second, third, fourth, fifth, fourth, three more days to the sun.

Four?

Probably a bit more than ten.

You can go to California next time.

Yeah.

Now, I have to come back here.

I can't hang a lot of y'all.

So, hey, we're going to be back here by night.

We'll be right home that way.

It's that evening.

You can come back on the morning of the 9th if you want to.

Or the evening.

I'll see you right at the end.

I'll just fly you to the end of the night.

That's why they've been timing to arrive at the airport when she does.

That's good, huh?

This is for, a box for the human.

I mean, I'm not concerned about standing a few minutes there.

Now, let me say, on the right-hand side of the board, there will be a great extent of weather forecast.

If the weather, at that time of year, you know, makes a lot of money, you can hear about weather reports in our history.

Let's read it.

Oh, thank God.

That wasn't what we had this last weekend.

That was not the worst, but it was an argument that I wasn't going to be there.

I'd rather be in California than Florida.

So, when you say this or that, I mean, I don't know.

Either way, this is what makes me different.

So, again, I would like to thank you.

Thank you.

We'll move on to the bedroom.

And... And... And... And...

See, I'd like the pleasure to come out of these doors with a settlement of the monotony.

When the history of the appearing is written, especially if you go through the list, Pompidou, he, if he were, he, in Sufarsika, is capable of human emotion.

And Yahya, well, that, but even there, Suharto, where I'm, well, Yahya is, is, is personally, Kotesco, Tito, you know,

And I'm not just talking about people who will do things for you that they will not do for anyone else.

That's a good test of a good relation.

And Leia, their confidence in you is absolutely decided.

Golda Leia, without you...

Yeah.

I do it because of American reasons.

I think it's real discreet.

They don't want to be discreet.

You know, a lot of them have a temper.

There's something.

You need to hear from them.

You should know.

But when I think of what this country would be like if Humphrey were here today, or where they would be next, or if Martin would be here today,

I was at the football game on Sunday and in the intermission, I was in Williams' director's room and there was Muskie and I was there.

Good defense, but they're offensive.

They're almost unbearably dull to watch.

Oh, I think they'll probably get into the playoff.

But they really are dull to watch.

They're not an interesting team.

But they completely cycle the time.

At that point, as much as he came mumbling up to me about India-Pakistan, I said, well, actually, what he said wasn't all that bad.

He said he's put his mind at all.

And what he said publicly, I said to him, look, remember, we will be able to demonstrate that the Indians didn't deliberately provoke this war.

In the ten minutes we've got here, I can't go into any details, but I just want to tell you

But the questions he asked, when you ask a question, you do it from a matrix of having been in these countries, knowing their leaders, knowing what the issues are, and you can start at a certain level.

Newsweek is doing an article on your foreign policy, and they interviewed me the other day, and I said,

of all the leaders that I have met in this country, of either party, you were the one that most complicated and detailed the course of foreign policy and really explained why, uh, meeting in the Supreme Court, agreed with every move, why there was so much influence in your foreign policy.

I think it really, uh, how much he would run foreign policy

It's almost beyond my understanding.

Who do they have?

When you say Secretary of State, if I look over the three years of your term...

No, George Paul wouldn't be bad, but he's very doctrinaire and a little out there.

Well, I mean, what he's saying about my absolute business about the... What was it?

What Paul said about Brazil.

Oh, no, about Canada.

He said Canada had to become a...

I mean, it was a bubble of stupid, because if you said if you want Canada to have that relationship, you never said it.

Okay.

You know it's so.

I'm not lying.

Why am I lying?

Trudeau came out of here and he said what the president said is the most fantastically revolutionary thing.

Well, that means a hell of a lot from this fact, because you're totally opposed to you, basically, by every instinct.

But you know, it's the biggest thing, though, that it was said that, you know, something that...

I don't think they're too obvious.

Well, but they are obvious to you, Mr. President.

What you don't realize is you've been conducting in 12 foreign policies in 63.

So many things are obvious to you.

But to the average political leader, you have to begin explaining what the hell Trudeau is talking about.

And the trouble is that it must be addressed by Dr. Trudeau inherently about the auto agreement, the oil agreement, all the... Well, you'll get a big briefing posted to the government and with... And Trudeau will talk about it, and it's going to be the big debate he wants to talk about the same thing.

It's about the world.

And it complements, and that's what we did with all these speakers, and that's what we did with all the federal agencies between the two countries.

I just want to say that I do not think that any of the Democrats are true.

I don't think any of them can talk about the world.

I don't agree.

And the advice they would give is suicidal, Mr. Francis.

It's no issue.

Maybe you should say turn it over to the fire department, but I don't recall an issue.

If you hadn't been right, it would be right how they'd be right.

They would have killed us.

In everything we've done, almost without exception, we've lost some people.

We've lost some people.

Why aren't they catching us now?

Because we can't go in the box.

You know, it says they can't have no clothes.

Nothing else.

Yes, because we have us Americans here.

Because they have to sit down too.

Well, the question now is where do we go from here?

I don't think so.

That is completely ensemble.

He's going to have to...

I explained to him, let me explain what I think you said it might be, all across the board.

I think you ought to take him on the mountain top to say, of course, each country produces its own autonomous policy, but you're now seeing the subcontinent and all around the world the danger of fragmented policy.

And

Ah, and you're going to be speaking in Moscow.

It is important that we have the same general view of the world.

Now, there are a number of concrete issues.

For example, the security conference, monetary things, which you would like to pursue on a united basis.

All of this in the light that the consequence of doing it separately is to free Germany in the center of the continent to pursue a national policy which would be a disaster for all of us.

And therefore you are going to approach Europe, talk with him, not from the point of view of who gets an extra hand of the Senate on exchange rates, but how little less can be preserved.

Now, Conway has put together a package for you which involves a change of the price of gold and some great concessions by that, which he thinks we can make go.

I think we can make go.

With a friend.

I would think that he does not, however, he does not give on convertibility.

No, because that's part of the purpose of logging my back for convertibility.

And he's, uh, he even had money last year called out here, but there's not nothing about it.

He said, well, we've got to give on that point.

Well, we must not.

That's the one thing.

We ought to give on the price of gold, but we cannot give on convertibility.

We have to give a little...

And Connolly agrees with this, in that you could use the phrase of saying, we can make some reserves of what's available to keep the IMF going.

Connolly agrees with that.

That's no problem.

That's just a few hundred.

That's a little French.

No.

You'll write it out in such a way that it isn't.

But if you could come out of the Azores meeting first, it would set the mood for the whole series.

Great, great.

Secondly, it will teach the British a lesson, and they have to be taught a lesson.

Yes.

Ah, and then we go first with France.

Yes, we go first with France.

And we'll settle with the French, and then let the British clean up the mess.

And try to screw us.

Absolutely.

One hundred percent.

And he has Volcker, and to make sure Volcker understood the strategy.

The pleasure of dealing with Connolly is...

Two months ago, he was violently opposed to the change of the driver's code.

You asked me to keep in game, and he was on his trip to Japan to talk to him about the political impact.

How is it?

Today, he represents the political situation amazingly well.

And he is a man.

And on the theory of it, we are now completely in accord.

And the tactics I won't get into, that's his problem.

And I think he's going to come up with a good settlement.

By the middle of January, we'll have it done in my opinion.

Thank you.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

and start introducing what he says is possible.

Connolly never allows that.

Connolly wants to see what's possible, and he doesn't lie to himself and say, well, uh, in order to get something out of there, you just cross the line.

If nothing else is possible, I'm going to go over my theory, where I learned his theory.

And it's not George Moses I went to, in order to ignore him.

It's George, uh, that's not what I'm talking about.

What I have to start with is, what can we sell?

We have got to make a game.

I wouldn't even breathe in my mind.

My closest friend, what I thought we had to do, what I thought we had to do, what I have to know in my own mind, what I have to do to make a game.

Then, there, I try to make a very bad game.

Well, what Conley would like, Volker has no political sense at all.

What Volcker wants is a devaluation of the dollar by something like 5 or 6 percent.

A devaluation of the franc by something like 3 percent.

Connolly is politically astute enough to know that that probably isn't possible.

You can start that way.

That the franc, because of the gold rewards there, cannot devalue this franc or will choose not to.

Because that means devaluing the price, reducing the price of coal.

But they will.

So we may have to devalue the dollar by 8% rather than by 5.5%.

In return for that, we should demand some trade concessions.

He's making a specific agricultural dispute.

Well, they can give us something on agriculture.

They have not.

Well, we can try.

I think we can try.

I think on the meeting, only to ensure that what we should do is to give up a certain argument.

I don't agree.

No.

I don't.

Absolutely not.

I'll tell you what I want to say.

Well, it will work.

The Germans will not seek a different trade.

And the Germans absolutely will not take a 10 percent, in my judgment, for political reasons.

They will then wind up paying the whole price of the monetary system, and they won't do it.

But it can't be won.

No, nobody will know.

There won't be a deal.

What happens is basically we just have to truly screen the common man.

That's the only thing we can do.

I don't think so.

It doesn't matter.

And we need to rise to the balance of this year, the election year.

And in the later time we can tear it up and trot it right again, but right now we've got to make the best possible deal we can.

Well, I would sell that to Connolly and we'll get a pretty good deal then.

Now, this load idea would work only if there were a free float, which I have yet to find a central person who believes that this will be done.

Now, a good time for the Pakistan people.

We have this letter from Britain.

It's a pretty rough deal for us.

What he's proposing is a ceasefire, it's a return for negotiations between Yahya and the Awami League.

Which means, well, they don't spell it out.

Afghanistan is one to prevent an attack by the Indian West Pakistanis.

Well, not at full force yet.

Right now the West Pakistanis are still attacking them more than the other way around.

Danger is if nothing happens between now, if the war continues, India will wind up with a Bhutan in the east and a Nepal in the west.

And the consequences of this...

the fate of the sovereign country, the Amnesty Alliance of the United States, including a secret commitment particularly applicable to this situation, I think would be severe in Iran, in Indonesia, and in the Middle East, at least.

And to come to peace with it, I had to make an independent decision.

Now, there is no good deal possible anymore at this stage.

And if there is unwanted pressure to brutal conclusions,

We're going to lose.

The other hand, the letter is in a very conciliatory form.

And we have a number of assets.

One, they want the Middle East letter.

No.

It's the letter in reply to the letter we sent him on Monday, which was very tough.

One, they want the Middle East settlement.

Two, people there.

No.

But we know it.

Two, they want the European Security Council.

No.

Three, they won't trade, and four, they won't move there, and they're afraid they'll drive you completely towards peaking.

So we are not without answer.

The State Department's decision, as I understand it, is to do nothing as to say we shouldn't get involved.

And at the right moment, that part of Kashmir that his forces have occupied in return for a ceasefire, and forget about East Pakistan.

Now, the Russians have made us a better offer than that.

The Russians.

Now, one advantage of accepting the Russians, in many cases, between West and East Pakistan, is that the Russians believe in themselves.

Well, what that would do is keep the Russians from recommending strength.

Yes.

But they might.

My recommendation would be this.

First, it's first to warn the Russians and the Indians that if this continues, we could leak out or in some way make clear that Kennedy made a commitment to Pakistan against the government from India.

They should shut up some of the liberals in all the U.S.

I told them to do it.

People saying no, that makes no sense.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, they say it doesn't mean anything.

Oh, it doesn't?

Yeah.

Why not?

Because it was just a note from the ambassador.

That's why I put it out.

Yeah.

I just put it out.

Oh, yeah.

We should put it out as part of the technical plan.

I'm sorry?

Secondly...

We should move the helicopter ship.

I'm not so much afraid of moving the carrier.

We'd have to do a helicopter ship and some escort into the Bay of Bengal and claim it's there for evacuation.

Thirdly, I'd let the Jordanians know.

But it shows we are not on the Indians, but on the Russians.

Well, because I think once the news of that ends, there'll be so many people screaming here about our intervention.

And then we have to explain what we will never do.

We have to do it.

I would be reluctant, you know, usually for both cause.

From the Chinese angle, I'd like to move the carrier.

From the public opinion angle, what the president's television would do to us if an American carrier showed up there, I...

But I can't switch.

Whom are we going to use the planes?

Against whom are we going to use the plane?

Are we going to shoot our way in?

So, so, so what's the move?

Move a little bit of a helicopter in there.

What good does that do then?

That is a token that something else would come after this.

It gets our presence, it's our presence.

I've let the Jordanians move some of their planes, and I've given the Indian ambassador in a demand, assurances that India doesn't want to annex territory.

Now, what part of this is the State of Turkey?

Well, Mr. President, I know it is embarrassing for me to be in here complaining constantly about the Durand Archive.

If you have...

I know what we have here across.

Well, this state of things, every time we ask, say, what do you do now, they have a telegram to Yaya asking him to do something.

The choices between adopting a centrally threatening posture and indicating state policy is non-involvement

don't get any arms and don't move anything.

But not all means.

The rainbow party is a total thing for banks.

That's right.

And they would propose a ceasefire in the West in return for, in effect, our recognition of Bangladesh.

Which is a total for lack of a term for the Chinese.

No.

But he may not be able to understand what the realities are.

You know, when you see those people walking in, when you look at the realities there, could it have anything to do with that?

I understand.

It's a fact.

Oh, yes, we know that.

Of course.

Thanks for the mail.

Now, why this?

Why is everything going through all this again?

Another one.

Wow.

We're going through the agony to prevent the West Pakistan army from being destroyed.

Secondly, to retain our Chinese arms.

Thirdly, to prevent a complete collapse of the world's psychological balance of power, which will be produced if a combination of the Soviet Union and the Soviet armed client states

can tackle a, after all, not insignificant country without anybody doing anything.

Now, the purpose of the bluff I'm suggesting is whether we can put enough tips into the pot to get the Russians, for their own reasons, for the other considerations, to call a halt to it.

It may not work afterwards.

What we may have to do is cease fire, negotiate,

and subsequent withdrawal.

But we have to clear it with Yahya first, before we did it.

But before we ask, there hasn't been prior negotiations on the basis of peace between the Awami League, the word Bangladesh wouldn't be mentioned, between the Awami League and Islamabad, on the basis of the December 1970 election.

which is what they've proposed here, but within the framework of a united Pakistan.

So the West Pakistanis would give by recognizing the Al-Alami League, and the Al-Alami League would give by not insisting it as a precondition on Bangladesh.

And the Russians would dissociate themselves from India on Bangladesh.

And then we have a ceasefire and withdrawal would not occur.

Withdrawal would occur after the settlement.

That's right.

No, because right now the Indians do not yet hold much of West Pakistan, and West Pakistan has hold a little bit of Indian territory, but that comes out of war.

It may surprise a bit, but the Pakistan army is not yet defeated in the West.

They'll run out of ammunition and P.O.M.

in two weeks.

I'm not sure.

But at least tell me they're separated.

I cut it.

demanding assurances.

I would keep open the possibility that we'll pour in arms into Pakistan.

I don't understand the psychology by which the Russians can pour arms into India, but we cannot give arms to Pakistan.

I don't understand the theory of non-involvement.

I don't see where we will be as a country.

I have to tell you honestly, I consider this our own land.

But politically, it won't affect us through next year because our opponents are so far to the left.

I'm going to have to turn it in.

Not what I'm supposed to do.

I'm going to have to turn it in.

Not what I'm supposed to do.

The, uh, what I'm saying is the best we can is we'll, we will lose public attention.

But that's all right.

We lose public attention.

We will understand that we're not doing this.

Yeah, but we could come out with a settlement, too.

On our present course, we'll come out with a raise.

Yeah, yeah, I understand.

I'm trying to put a deal with them.

We've dealt with it.

The options are worse for us.

It's very possible that it will come out without a trial, that it will appear that we intervened in the trial and failed, that the Russians, that the American public opinion says, oh, it's a straight failure.

You see, by becoming involved, then you get into the whole dialogue about defeating the big three.

You're not at all, but this is the question, Peter.

We know.

You and I.

And it will be obvious after a few years.

And it will be obvious after a time.

I agree.

We, when I'm speaking now, we have a fair time.

And that's why I say, you know, we're down the road.

We probably ought to risk it.

We're going to go this way.

We ought to risk the time.

Right.

Yeah, but we're risking it either way because if it doesn't come out of it totally cockily,

We may have a Middle East war in the spring, and peaking may be a problem, because what the hell is peaking getting out of us then?

They're not going to give them promotion.

They're not strong enough to give them any reassurance.

But you're right, that is the other side of the story.

You recognize that good relations with the Soviet Union, you've always believed, are the cornerstone of peace, that presupposes that neither side will take unilateral advantage of situations.

Now, when we had a Berlin settlement, just when we were beginning to move on the Middle East,

The Soviet Union is encouraging a total change in their situation in the Indian subcontinent.

And you have to tell them that this will affect our relationship and respond to the things I already said.

Yeah, because then he'd have heard it from you.

We've got Butts saying something like that in his clothes today at lunch.

I think that we're better, well, but that's what I always think, so it's my bias, just that doing nothing is the State Department bias.

Well, I don't believe it.

You are jeopardizing the time.

I think we have to know what we're jeopardizing.

And once we go balls out, we have to look back.

That's right.

You are jeopardizing your relationship with the Soviets, but that's also your card, your willingness to jeopardize it.

You don't do it, and they come out of this completely ahead.

I don't know.

I don't want to jeopardize their relations with India.

They do not want to jeopardize their relations with the Congress in terms of non-involvement, because the Congress is for non-involvement around the world.

And a third state probably.

But they know, yeah, that's right.

Isn't that about the way it's going to be?

That is right.

So they say, why try?

They always say things aren't going to work.

And that occurs sometimes.

That is right.

Of course, it relates to the Indians.

No matter what happens,

Again, you could argue that it will help us in the long term with the Indians.

I don't think it makes a damn difference.

Here, right now, I decided that you don't want to decide it now.

You want to wait here.

It's about two o'clock.

You're going to learn anything from that.

Who in the hell is the ambassador?

That's part of the lesson.

It's only one of your careers.

This is how I do it.

I don't want to say anything.

I just want to say that it's so good.

I want to know everything that you're going to do with it.

But it's just that I'm trying to find it.

Well, you could see them direct people at 4.30.

That only should take 10 minutes if you're really very strong with them.

Yeah.

decide what to do now.

Are we going to decide this now?

Are we going to decide that?

And then we go along the line.

I have no doubts about that.

What do I tell them?

We ought to carry that.

That ought to be done.

That ought to be done so that they know that we are concerned about the fact that we've had a deal with that.

We let the state do that.

Huh?

We let the state do that.

That's when they called Jai and they should inform him of the commitment.

You're going to have them call Jai and her wife?

No, no, you leave.

That's their baby.

Let them ask for assurances there are no annexations.

And while they're there, inform them that we have these commitments that they have considered.

And the D&D of Scream says a commitment by Kennedy.

And let them put it out.

So that's what I told them.

I wanted to get in there and get a copy.

All right, let's go in.

What do you want?

Take a look.

Bobby, you put Kennedy down.

Guys, what you need to put in 10 minutes.

Say 10 minutes.

It is my decision to over, to try to deter an Indian attack on West Pakistan.

I want the Indians warned.

I want to follow.

I am moving this forces.

And I want the bureaucracies for evacuation purposes.

I wouldn't say anything about Jordan.

And I want, it is your responsibility to line up your bureaucracies to perform this with enthusiasm.

and to stop deleting, and to come up with ideas now how we can get this accomplished.

Ten minutes, and I'd walk out, I wouldn't have a discussion with them.

You would have Irvin and Johnson, and Packard and Mora and Helms.

Everyone will be on your side except Irvin and Johnson.

I'll get you a talking paper for both of us.

I am honored to be here.

We'll get the other one.

What time is it?

2.30.

2.30?

What time is it?

2.30.

2.30?

What time is it?

2.30?

What time is it?

4 o'clock for the Russian and 4.30 for the Russian.

I'm both.

Yeah, good.

So,