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Start Date: 9-Dec-1971 5:57 PM

End Date: 9-Dec-1971 6:34 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Butterfield, Alexander P.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:07:21

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:43:55

634a.mp3

634b.mp3

NARA Description:

On December 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:57 pm to 6:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 634-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 634-19

Date: December 9, 1971
Time: 5:57 pm - 6:34 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.


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[National Security]
[Duration: 42s ]


     PAKISTAN


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     India-Pakistan situation
           -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
      -Possible results of proposed settlement
            -Optimism
-East Pakistan
-Leonid I. Brezhnev letter
      -Contents of letter
-USSR-US declaration
      -Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-United Nations [UN] Security Council
      -Preparations in case India rejects proposal
-West Pakistan
-Ceasefire
-Bangladesh
      -Potential negotiations between East and West Pakistan leaders
            -Possible independence
-Yahya Khan
-East Pakistan
      -President’s view
-USSR meeting
      -Possible watershed in US-USSR relations
      -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
      -Kissinger's talk with Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
            -Kissinger’s view
            -Forthcoming Moscow Summit
      -Yuli M. Vorontsov
      -Letter to Brezhnev
            -Timing
      -[Vladimir V. Matskevich]
            -Compared to Andrei A. Gromyko
                  -Brezhnev
      -Brezhnev
            -Pressure during upcoming Moscow Summit
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


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[National Security]
[Duration: 4s ]


    CANADA


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                    -Aleksei N. Kosygin
               -UN vote
               -Liberal establishment
                    -Edward M. Kennedy [?]
         -West Pakistan
               -Preservation
         -John B. Connally
         -President’s instructions to Kissinger
               -Indonesia aid
                    -Amount
                    -India
                           -Possible repercussions

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 44s ]


    MIDDLE EAST


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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)



           -Indian Ambassador
                 -John N. (“Jack”) Irwin, II
           -Timing
           -[State Department]
           -USSR
           -Washington Special Actions Group [WSAG] meeting
                 -Timing
                 -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                 -David Packard
                 -Helms
           -Carrier movement
                 -Moorer
           -Planes


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[National Security]
[Duration: 2s ]


     INDIA


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                -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Vorontsov
           -Haig
                -Comments on the President’s statement

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 6:05 pm.

     Veto message

     President’s schedule
          -Defense Department budget meeting
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                               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


                -Barry M. Goldwater
                -Possible schedule conflicts
                -Clark MacGregor
                -Cabinet Room
                -Previous commitments
                -Melvin R. Laird
                      -Location
                -John G. Tower
                -Peter H. Dominick
                -Edward J. Gurney
                -William Clay
                -Proposed talk to Congress
                      -Authorization appropriation
                           -Amount
                           -MacGregor
                -Goldwater
                      -Defense budget
                           -Conservatives
           -USSR
           -Amount of time
           -Forces
           -Laird
           -Congress
                -Laird
           -Proposed time
                -President’s instructions

     The President's schedule
          -Packard and Moorer

Butterfield left at 6:18 pm.

     Defense budget meeting
          -Moorer
               -Call from Kissinger
                     -Packard
                     -Force level

     International monetary situation
           -Kissinger's possible meeting with Georges J.R. Pompidou
                -The President's talk with Connally
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                   Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


     -Valery Giscard D'estaing
     -Pompidou
           -Relationship
           -Possible implications in deal with Pompidou
                  -Edward R.G. Heath
                  -Germany
                  -Japan
                  -December 18, 1971 meeting
                  -Germany
                  -Canada
                  -Great Britain
                        -Possible agenda
     -Group of Ten meeting
           -Timing
     -President’s instructions
           -Price of Gold
           -Trade concessions
           -PRC Ambassador
-Kissinger’s schedule
-Azores
-Kissinger's qualifications
     -The President’s confidence in Kissinger
-Andre Meyer
     -Political implications
-Pompidou
     -Possible deal
           -Kissinger’s view
           -Michel Jobert
           -Arthur K. Watson
-Kissinger's talk with Connally
-Germany
-Azores
     -The President’ upcoming meeting with Marcello Jose Neves Alves
            Caetano
           -Timing
           -Presence at meeting
-Pompidou
     -President’s instructions to Kissinger
     -Connally
           -Pompidou’s time of arrival
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


    State Department
          -Bureaucracy
               -Treatment of the President
                     -News summaries
          -Foreign policy
               -Cambodia and Laos
                     -North Korea
                          -[Response to 1969 EC-121 shootdown]
                               -William P. Rogers
                               -Laird
                                     -Possible mis-step by the Administration

    India-Pakistan situation
          -Wire to Moscow
               -Answer
          -Meeting with USSR
               -Ceasefire
               -Awami League
               -Mujibar Rahman
          -West Pakistan
               -Losses
                     -Bombing of Karachi
               -State Department
                     -Delhi and Islambad
                     -US policy
                           -Determination
                           -Comparison with past government [World War I]
                                  -Czar Nicholas II
                                  -German Emperor
          -Brezhnev
          -Meeting with [Matskevich]
               -Toughness from the President
               -European Security Conference
               -Middle East
               -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
               -Treaties
                     -USSR and US
               -Israelis against the Egyptians


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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)



BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 7s ]


    MIDDLE EAST


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         -USSR-Indian relations
               -Possible reaction
         -West Pakistan attack
         -India
               -Aid
                    -USSR
               -1972 election
                    -Potential for animosity


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[National Security]
[Duration: 3s ]


    INDIA


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              -US intellectuals
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No.634- 19 (cont.)


     Unknown Ambassador

Kissinger left at 6:34 pm.