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Start Date: 10-Dec-1971 9:10 AM

End Date: 10-Dec-1971 10:31 AM

Participants:

Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:25:19

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:46:21

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635b.mp3

635c.mp3

NARA Description:

On December 10, 1971, Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:10 am to 10:31 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 635-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 635-6

Date: December 10, 1971
Time: 9:10 am - 10:31 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

     The President's schedule
          -Henry A. Kissinger
               -Notes
                      -Cambodia
          -Barber
               -Timing
          -Nicholas P. Thimmesch

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:20 am.

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 9:10 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Presidential addresses
                -Prayer breakfast for the Armed Forces
                -Tapings
                      -Proposed length
                            -Desired length
                      -Telegrams
                      -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
                            -Wire from Lyndon B. Johnson
                                  -Eisenhower Center
                                  -Length
                                              5

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 2m 32s ]


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Privacy]
[Duration: 3m 2s ]


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     Robert A. Taft, Sr.
         -Dwight D. Eisenhower
               -Possible timing of attitude change
         -Health
               -Awareness of illness

Kissinger entered at 9:20 am.

     India-Pakistan situation
           -Pakistan Army
                -Ceasefire
                      -East Pakistan
                            -Awami League
                -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
                -Washington Special Actions Group [WSAG]
                      -Ceasefire resolution
           -United Nations [UN] Security Council
                                             6

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


              -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -USSR
                   -Timing of resolution
          -Communications with USSR
          -Movement of carrier and planes
              -Agreement with the USSR


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]


    PRC


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          -Kissinger's Meeting With Golda Meir
                -Timing
          -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer meeting
                -Kissinger’s schedule
                -[Vietnam]
                     -Possible military action
                -PRC
                     -Priority of issues
                -Armed Forces
                -Proposed cancellation of Moorer meeting
          -President’s orders
                -Cambodia
                     -Air strike reports
                     -Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.
                     -Moorer
                           -Importance of daily reports
          -The President's and Kissinger's schedule
                -USSR meeting
                                              7

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                          Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


                    -[Anatoliy F. Dobrynin]
                          -Timing
               -Moorer meeting
                    -Air strikes
                          -Department of Defense [DOD]
               -Gen. Leonard F. Chapman, Jr.
                    -Rescheduling of Moorer meeting


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[National Security]
[Duration: 3m 45s ]


    PRC


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          -Report
          -Ceasefire in the East
          -Civilian bombing
          -US planes strafed
                -State Department
                      -News summary
                      -Public protest in regards to US planes shot down
                            -Alexander P. Butterfield
          -John F. [?] Kennedy
                -Unknown Harvard associate of Kissinger
                      -Previous discussion about India
          -Pakistan
          -Yuli M. Vorontsov
                -Message to USSR
                      -Kennedy memorandum
                -Meeting with the President
          -President’s instructions
                                               8

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


           -India
                 -Civilian bombing
                 -Indian protests of US action in North Vietnam
                 -State Department protest
                       -Strafing
                       -Public relations
                       -Possible call to John N. Irwin, II
                 -PRC


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[National Security]
[Duration: 6s ]


     PRC


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12

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                       -Pakistani Ambassador
                            -Leak
                            -Kennedy memorandum
                            -Vorontsov
                                  -Obligation

Kissinger left at 9:35 am.

     State Department

     White House staff
          -Proposed action

     American planes strafed
         -News summary
         -Public relations
                                             9

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


               -John A. Scali
          -Kissinger
          -Foreign policy
               -Public relations
               -Scali
               -Clark MacGregor
               -News summary
               -George H.W. Bush
               -Vietnam


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[National Security]
[Duration: 7s ]


     INDIA


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          -News summary
          -Stories
                -Television and newspapers
          -Public opinion
          -Vietnam
                -Media coverage
                      -Compared to World War II
          -Kissinger
                -State Department
                      -William P. Rogers

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time before 10:31 am.

     Willis Smith, Sr. funeral
           -Wreath
                                              10

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


         -Harry S. Dent's attendance
         -Call to Mrs. Willis Smith, Sr. [Anna Lee Smith]
               -Letter from the President
               -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
                     -Location
                     -Possible telephone call or visit

    National 4-H Congress speech, December 1, 1971
         -Follow-up
               -Colson
               -Coverage
         -Black youth
               -Chicago Defender story

    Christmas special
         -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
               -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                     -Constance M. Stuart
                           -Discussion on feasibility of Christmas special
         -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
               -The President's one-on-one interview
                     -The President’s commitment to interview
         -Stuart
               -Memorandum
                     -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
               -Haldeman’s forthcoming conversation
               -Julie Eisenhower
               -Tricia Nixon Cox


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 30s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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                                            11

                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)



         -Charles B. Kuralt
               -Host of Christmas program
                     -CBS
               -Highlights of program
         -Christmas decorations
         -Diplomatic children's party
         -Christmas tree
               -Approval for program
         -David N. Parker
         -Hope holiday specials
         -Tricia Cox
               -Wedding
               -Tour
         -Rose Mary Woods
         -Haldeman's talk with Julie Eisenhower
               -Julie Eisenhower's schedule
                     -Durham, North Carolina
                           -Duke University Research Center
         -CBS
         -Ronald L. Ziegler
         -William H. Carruthers


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Privacy]
[Duration: 1m 36s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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    Haldeman's talk with John B. Connally
         -Politics
         -Economy
               -The President’s schedule
                                         12

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


India-Pakistan situation
      -Public concern with US involvement
            -Media
      -Mail to White House
            -Colson
      -USSR compared with PRC
      -The President’s PRC initiative
      -India
            -Possibility of casualties

The President's schedule
     -Barber
          -Kissinger
          -Timing
     -Haldeman's calls to Otto E. Passman and Dr. John A. Hannah
          -Thanks from the President
          -Letter to Passman
                 -George P. Shultz
                 -Kissinger
                 -Foreign aid
                 -The President's call to Passman
                      -William E. Timmons
                            -Passman’s involvement
                            -Peace Corps
                                  -Amount to be cut
                                  -Shultz
                                  -Ehrlichman
                                  -Kissinger
                                  -ACTION
                                  -Proposed budget cuts
                                  -Robert H. Finch
                                  -Joseph H. Blatchford
                                         -ACTION
                                  -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                                  -Shultz
                                  -Ehrlichman
                                  -Timmons
                                         -Side during budget battle

John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts appropriation
     -Passing of tax bill
                                       13

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


           -Timing
     -Roger L. Stevens
           -Closing center to tourists
                -Lack of funds
     -Congress
           -Stevens’ discussions with Haldeman
           -White House
                -Blame
                       -Apparent mismanagement of the Kennedy Center
     -William McCormick Blair
     -Timmons
     -Charles H. Percy
           -Republican support
     -Minority members of the Public Works Committee
     -Timmons
     -MacGregor
     -Shultz
           -Possible response concerning the Kennedy Center
     -General Accounting Office [GAO]

Peace Corps
     -Timmons
          -Letter from the President
     -Passman
     -Budget

Tax bill [Revenue Act of 1971]
     -Signing ceremony
           -Timing
                -Camp David
     -Tax cuts
           -Publicity
           -Timing of ceremony

William H. Rehnquist nomination
     -Congressional action
          -Possible approval
     -MacGregor
          -Special session
     -Washington Post
     -Haldeman's talk with MacGregor
                                            14

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


              -Special session
                    -Possibility of Rehnquist not nominated
          -Congressional recess
              -MacGregor
              -Timmons

     The President’s schedule
          -Florida
                -India/Pakistan Situation
                -Rogers
                -Connally
                      -Possible travel
                      -Upcoming Christmas holiday

The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:35 am and 10:31
am.

[Conversation No. 635-6A]

     American planes strafed
         -Kissinger
               -State Department protest

[End of telephone conversation]

          -Complaints of delay
          -USSR
          -Kissinger
          -Cambodian bombing comparison
               -Element of surprise

     Joseph W. Alsop column
          -Value-added tax
               -Ehrlichman
                     -Praise for column
               -Property tax
               -Democrats
               -Parochial schools
                     -Education issues
          -Supreme Court
               -Robert C. Byrd
                                       15

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


          -Rehnquist
     -Connally
          -Ehrlichman
          -Talk with the President
          -Possible telephone call from Haldeman
                -Praise for column
     -Haldeman’s talk with Ehrlichman

Vietnam
     -Vermont Royster article
          -Public opinion
               -Politics
               -Economic issues
               -Edmund S. Muskie
               -Edward M. Kennedy
               -Attitudes toward war

Dr. Franklin D. Murphy
     -Dinner
     -Talk with Haldeman
     -Los Angeles Times
     -Mike Royko column
     -Murphy’s meeting with Ford Motor Company Board of Directors
           -Timing
           -John Kennedy
                -Compared to the President
           -Edward Kennedy
                -Ordering re-prints of Royko column
     -Meeting with Leonard Bernstein, Norman Cousins, Black Panthers
           -Discussion
                -John V. Lindsay
                      -Cousins
                -Edward Kennedy
                -Ronald W. Reagan
                      -Similarities
                      -Conservatism
                           -General Electric [GE]
     -View
           -Economy
                -Ford Board of Directors
           -USSR trip
                                            16

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


                -PRC trip
                -Unemployment
                -Peace
                     -The President’s efforts
                     -Carol (Crothers) Finch
                          -Concerns from the American public
                -Vietnam
                     -Peace issue
                          -Perceptions
                          -Analogy to Winston S. Churchill

    Pentagon Papers
         -Haldeman's talk with Ehrlichman
              -Timing after PRC trip
         -National Broadcasting Company [NBC] program: “A Day in the Life of the
              President”
              -NBC special on the Pentagon Papers
              -Ngo Dinh Diem assassination
                    -John Kennedy


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 17s ]


    PAKISTAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9

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    Brazil
         -Prospects

    India
            -Democracy
                                              17

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


                -Voters
                     -Literacy

     Vietnam
          -Murphy
          -Withdrawal
                -Final announcement
          -Troops
          -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                -Numbers
          -Bombing
          -Residual American force
          -Administration opponents

     Murphy
         -USSR and PRC trip

     Child-care veto
          -Poverty program
                -Patrick J. Buchanan
                -Conservatives
                      -Support for programs
                            -John Birch Society
                      -Barry M. Goldwater
                            -Buchanan
                                 -Liberals

     India-Pakistan situation
           -State Department protest
                 -Kissinger
                      -Location

Haldeman talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 9:35 am and 10:31 am.

[Conversation No. 635-6b]

     State Department protest note

[End of telephone conversation]

     Strafing American planes
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 635-6 (cont.)


          -News summary
              -Protest already on file

     The President's schedule

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 9:35 am.

     Kissinger
          -Notes

Haldeman and Sanchez left at 10:31 am.