{"conversationCode":"639-016","tapeNumber":639,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-639-016","startDateTime":"1971-12-18T22:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-12-18T22:12:00.000Z","startDate":"18-Dec-1971","startTime":"5:05 PM","endDate":"18-Dec-1971","endTime":"5:12 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On December 18, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 5:12 pm. 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Connally\n           -Bill signing\n           -Departure for New York City\n                 -Timing\n                 -Tricia Nixon Cox\n                 -Connally\n                       -Smithsonian Institute\n                 -Press release\n                 -Helipad\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Possible statement in New York City\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 5:12 pm.\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542","filename":["639-016.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:48:23","tapeEnd":"01:52:26","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"639-015","nextCode":"639-017","transcript":[{"start":7.78,"end":18.89,"text":"Well, we may have to move it back."},{"start":18.91,"end":23.98,"text":"I'll see you sometime."},{"start":24.07,"end":30.4,"text":"This is what it's about."},{"start":60.15,"end":62.73,"text":"We need to do that, sir."},{"start":63.19,"end":68.39,"text":"We need to do that, sir."},{"start":68.57,"end":73.46,"text":"We need to do that, sir."},{"start":73.5,"end":78.6,"text":"We need to do that, sir."},{"start":79.58,"end":82.79,"text":"We need to do that, sir."},{"start":84.81,"end":88.35,"text":"We can make this present."},{"start":88.41,"end":91.43,"text":"We can have them meet us there."},{"start":92.51,"end":94.73,"text":"Or we can have them meet us at the helipad, sir."},{"start":94.85,"end":97.53,"text":"And then the family can all arrive in."},{"start":98.8,"end":100.3,"text":"Yeah, let her come to the helipad."},{"start":100.32,"end":104.44,"text":"I think we can go to the east side helipad, west side helipad."},{"start":104.46,"end":106.54,"text":"I said, well, we're going to do that."},{"start":106.56,"end":107.86,"text":"We can move to the west side helipad."},{"start":107.88,"end":111.24,"text":"We can put us a little bit closer."},{"start":111.32,"end":112.14,"text":"I'll figure it out."},{"start":113.75,"end":118.95,"text":"At the moment, it won't change until I find out whether it's for sure."},{"start":119.23,"end":121.86,"text":"But if it does, I mean, in 15 minutes."},{"start":122.03,"end":126.98,"text":"In 15 minutes, we can still do it very easily."},{"start":129.47,"end":135.16,"text":"They go in a second car over there."},{"start":135.24,"end":139.06,"text":"Well, they go in a second car over there."},{"start":139.12,"end":139.36,"text":"Okay."},{"start":139.44,"end":142.76,"text":"And they have a big car over there."},{"start":142.78,"end":145.32,"text":"They can all get in there."},{"start":145.46,"end":145.66,"text":"Okay."},{"start":155.29,"end":166.07,"text":"I'll let you know whether he's on or off, and we won't tell him until I hear from him."},{"start":167.13,"end":173.62,"text":"It's off the record until I hear from him."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull coordinate the logistics for the President's upcoming departure to New York City. The discussion focuses on scheduling adjustments, the coordination of the presidential party at the helipad, and the inclusion of Tricia Nixon Cox in the travel arrangements. Additionally, Nixon weighs the timing of a potential press release and a phone call to John B. Connally, stipulating that plans remain off the record pending further confirmation.","topics":["Presidential travel","Scheduling","Logistics","John B. 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