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Well, I guess Mitchell stole it because he said he could call John.

That's good.

Well, John, it's interesting, John, for a minute after John was there, he said he had the same...

sort of gut feeling that obviously you have, which is that he can't figure out why Henry and Haig aren't going in on this.

He said, I was thinking about this last night, that if I knew that Henry or you were investigating Ed Morgan,

I'd be calling every hour to find out if I could help or check what's going on and what's turning up.

As I could no more detach myself, I'd be moving around and trying to find out what's happening.

I just can't imagine that they don't care or don't know or something.

He knows the hell.

I mean, Henry knows.

But for Christ's sakes, Henry was talking about a dom and the Pentagon Papers came out.

It shouldn't involve us at all.

Not in current...

He's never mentioned this thing to me.

He's never mentioned the Andrews and Collins.

And he has, well, he's never mentioned the leaders against the Andrews and Collins.

He's been talking about it for a period of time.

He hasn't since, let's see, when John Paul made a comment to him, he has at all made a comment.

He's not told him yesterday what he had to go and make a comment before that.

I know.

I'm not sure.

I mean, that's what he had to go and make a comment on.

That's what he had to go and make a comment on.

Yeah, well, yeah.

Sending a box of cards.

You know, you always have to send a box of cards.

Marks personal and sent by military aid.

I don't want anybody around here to know what I did.

Because if you get out by a sapphire, you're not around here.

Well, you think he was doing the right thing, but he moved out.

I don't want to do that.

There must be nothing.

So, okay.

It's a perfect person.

Okay.

Get out of there.

Get out of here.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, I'm not going to jump the coast.

I'm not going to jump the coast.

I don't care what anyone else said about it.

Okay.

Let's do it right here.

Just...

Yeah, I think about that.

It looks like we're broken up.

I think about the same.

Somewhere down the road.

Yeah.

You know, one of us can inadvertently, or may I refer to him, sit down and say, I mean, nobody paid any attention to us sending media boxes to each other on Christmas night.

I'm writing in personal notes.

Writing in personal notes.

Yeah, that's better.

It's not a...

Well, it is Bible.

I mean, I must say, I'm the Christ of the righteous.

I've never seen a Jew very strange in the world.

I mean, he's not strange at all.

He has to deny it.

It's a terrible goddamn thing.

He knows it.

Yeah, let's see.

Well, he could deny, well, he could deny knowing that there was anything like that done, but did he, as I understand it, deny that he had received any reports of material of this sort from this liaison man?

Well, the liaison man probably says it went to border.

And the liaison man is an admiral.

It's just the yeoman that said that.

It's the admiral.

Well, there's something to be said, really, for a prosecutor, you know.

I hope John doesn't bring Edmund Robinson back in, because John was really guilty of a high crime.

He really ought to be prosecuted.

I don't want to close up that Joint Chiefs business.

That's the problem.

It hurts the military.

They can't take it.

This kid would go in and rat on that man, that's for sure.

He's a pretty smart lawyer, he would make sure that they get put it all out on the front end.

If we get to a rank case right again, they would reflect on us, because in the end, it would be so confused that we'd bump up something.

Like the Pentagon Papers, we had anything to do with it, but in the end, it hurt us some, because it's kind of like, I don't know, something that should be wrong.

Your commander in chief, the director, the chairman,

of course, to you.

But Bob Henry talks too much.

He talks too much, and the wasp eggs, or whatever he calls them, everybody else comes in on his knees.

Part of this gets out because of Henry.

You know, we have extraordinary numbers.

There were at least 15 senators and congressmen who came.

Well, that's what we wanted to be.

That's right.

I had them, but I couldn't let them stand.

I had them all stand around on my side.

And Teddy was right back at me.

That's right.

Now, that's why we wanted a large group.

See, if you had a small group, then it would have just been Teddy and one other senator.

We haven't had a better time to be here.

The committees are all there.

And Edmund Harrison Williams was there.

Peter Donahue was there.

I must say, I've got to remind myself where I'm from.

I'm quite dead.

You know what, John Skelly has one theory that I wish he would go over and talk to Christ's people.

And his theory is that find one sentence that could be unheedling to the other, and he should just say, and it's not a satire, it's also a pretty good fact, and he's just talking about it.

I say, look, in the stuff that's prepared, I don't have to explain what I meant is,

They've got to have an opening sentence.

The one I had thought about this one, I said of all the actions, I said I would hope that in the years ahead, that this action that I took today could be, might well be recorded as the most important action I took during my administration, this administration did.

I said we had seen how that could be the case when we realized that more people

died of cancer each year in the United States, and all the Americans killed, and all the people who were killed.

Now, that was the way to do it.

They had a second line that was in their talking, which the first one was not.

But what I mean is, it's that kind of grabber that somebody ought to sit over there, you know, and then go.

The grabbing sentence, that's, of course, I know, but if they suggest something, sometimes, just a grabber.

Then you put the grabber out, then all the other stuff doesn't want to go there.

Yeah.

You don't have to say the right things, Bob.

You don't have to cover everything.

You don't have to... What you really mean to do is to say something.

You have one line that's going to get on TV.

You read it.

We know that.

That's right.

You know, I'm very good.

I am good over there.

But the other day, I heard... Well, there's moments more of an introvert person's stuff over there.

Don't you think so?

Remember, we used to get a lot of stuff under the country's head there.

We'd crack them all.

They did a lot of the same thing.

Jackets, jewelers, and so forth.

But it's when you have abusive friends, you share it with us.

And it's, you know, one of the things is that life, I'll tell you, no one got it.

It's another one of the best things we've done to make it look damn white curtains off these windows.

You know, it's the difference.

I noticed in the green room they've taken those curtains out.

It's just always the red room.

The red room also.

Yeah, the red rooms in both rooms are probably outstanding.

That's right.

And they're really magnificent, you know.

The Kennedy, the Kennedy job, I just showed you the Kennedy, and that is unreal.

The Kennedy-decorated job was lousy.

When you look back, it was a lousy job.

It just wasn't good.

Nowhere, this is a sensational approach, what she said.

These are, these are better.

It's just not going to be better than that.

People, a few have reported that way.

You know, this is where she started.

Speaking of CPI,

I don't think that they have anything to do about it.

But you know, of all the papers, you've got the worst headlines and Star Wars being a star.

Oh, I looked at the star last night.

Cost of living continues to soar.

I mean, you read the New York Times this morning.

It's a totally wrong story.

What in the hell is that?

Lee Cohen is a jewel.

He's a star.

Always does a sin on economics.

Always.

And it isn't just the story.

It's always the headline.

And the headline is quite whatever.

I think we can do... That's one that I think we could...

Yeah.

With just comparing that, the star is basically a pair of job papers.

Yeah, that's right.

Why are times as bad as job papers?

Well, let's look at what they did.

Here's what the star reported, this story, and here's how the Times reported it.

We can do that with about six stories.

Economic stories just say, you know, there's something distorted here.

There's two things about the program.

Did it have Henry in it?

Was he in it?

Yes.

Did it have Rogers in it?

Yes.

The thing that was interesting to me, I was talking to Steve

You knew it was, what, what bridge, Black Cross down there, Jackie Gleason carried with him.

Not what, I, you know, you need to know that I didn't realize that they carried those apart when they gave the letter.

I knew they carried it again.

I'm sure that was it.

And that was one thing we had touched on.

We said, you know, they can't, sorry, you can touch them.

Bracket of wire from Jackie Gleason, that's what I heard.

But anyway, he was so excited.

He was so excited.

His wife, he went home with his wife.

That was the day that apparently she must have been in bed early.

That's a little bit of a deep, deep thing to believe.

The wires, they were ready to go back there.

I think it'd be a good one for us to get it wrong.

It's a nice little sidebar for somebody.

Okay, I'll have those here.

Right, okay.

But the point that he made is quite interesting.

Which does have something to say.

He said that the kind of people he talked to that impressed him the most was the hard work he did.

He realized it was a hard job, but he realized how much pressure he had.

They said they all know that he works on this or that or the other thing, which they don't realize at all.

The hard work and the jobs that Justin pressed out, was that to do with the idea?

I think it did.

Our people, who know all the hard work and stuff and everything, kind of say, well, Michael Rogers didn't say that it wasn't edited.

He didn't like the way it was edited.

But if you had, it gave you that appearance of, you know, a day where, which is the way those days are, where there's one thing piled on top of the other, you know.

You know, sooner you get out from under one thing, then another thing hits.

And that's the way, that's what came through, you know.

And then the way you dealt with each of the things.

If you move into one area and the pacing was good, it went back and forth from,

of the diplomatic arrival in an economic meeting, and then a diplomatic arrival, and then a discussion of other drugs or something, and then the Pakistan war, you know, the secret session type of thing.

That disappointed them because they didn't carry very much of that.

I think it was better that they didn't, because all of the discussion is... Well, first of all, they couldn't cover it very much.

Well, let's say that also a lot of this needed now.

Well, it worked out.

It was stated exactly right, though, because you made the point.

No, it was in the interview with Chance Hardcast.

Yeah.

Where you said, let's hope that by the time this program's on the air, we might not be fighting there.

They might even have a ceasefire.

Yeah.

I agree.

The timing there was just...

It worked out very well.

Yeah, that's right.

Geez, that's, that's, that's important.

What do you think?

Yeah, they all like it.

We've had an interview without William.

That's right.

It was a good encounter because it was serious and it sort of summed things up in our life.

You might wonder if it was a simple problem.

All right, be good.

I'm just pushing him up.

All right.

Do you know where he is?

Ask him to come up at the present time, sir.

Thank you.

Well, you couldn't have a better answer, right?

Mitchell would have taught you more.

Mitchell is... unflattable.

I mean, he's, uh... You just sit down and eat with him.

The only one in the cabin who even approaches him in this respect is Connelly.

Connelly, you know, is strong and tough, but Mitchell is even more steely than Connelly.

He is, and he's a little more mysterious.

Mitchell doesn't tolerate Connelly.

Well, they don't scare him.

You know, the people who don't know him, or I didn't really realize it, but people are really afraid of John Mitchell.

Right.

There's the evil servant with those steely eyes, and he just, you know, puffs on his pipe and so forth.

And he is a tough guy.

And they crack him around.

Sure.

Sure is.

But he is, and, you know, just a year ago, he got caught when he came with us.

Was it the Christmas time?

Oh, it was the right after Christmas.

The right after Christmas.

Don't you consider it fun?

The cabinet party time.

I remember it.

They do.

I mean, there's something wrong.

There's something screwy here.

But let us do it.

Let them all screw it.

There's a great tendency, Bob, and we all have this fault, but there's certainly a tendency in Henry's case, always to find blame of other people, but to deny that anything in his shop could be anything but perfect.

Now, God damn it, that's what could be involved here.

I mean, he said, look, if he thought this was a thing, we could say he'd be in here telling the tale.

This is stretching through his eyes.

Well, John talked to the Admiral.

The Admiral says he didn't exactly say what Mal says he said, but Admiral Mortar feels that his Admiral should go to jail.

all the terrible things he's been doing over here.

That's about it.

John said that Moore admits that he saw stuff, but that he operated on the assumption that his liaison man was working this all out with Henry, and that this was...

all according to all of them.

But I said, well, you get a, thank you, you get a plea, billy or not billy?

And he said, I got a NOLO contender here.

And I guess it's, you know, his eyes on the briefcases and all that.

Yep.

Morse said, why, that's shocking.

Oh, is that good or bad?

That's what the old man said.

Everybody seems to agree on that.

Mel, of course, in his conversation with me this morning, just vehemently denies that he ever saw a single bit.

I never saw any of it.

And it was a channel that was devised to get around the Secretary of Defense, and I never saw a single bit of it at any time.

I knew somebody was giving them information ahead of the time that I got it in the decision memoranda from the President.

I knew that.

And I was sure that the President wasn't calling them directly and giving them that sort of information.

I knew that.

So I knew there was this channel.

And I knew exactly what the channel was.

Do you know what it was?

Yeah.

Who says?

You say it was.

He says, when I first came over here, I suggested we shut off this channel.

He says it existed for 10 years.

He says, when I first came over here, I suggested we shut off this channel for a long period of time when I was on the Defense Appropriation Committee and for eight terms when I served there.

I got quite involved with this thing.

And the channel that had been open to all during the Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson administrations was a channel that the NSC staff had that they used directly with the chiefs over here.

It gave the chiefs a position where they could go to the Congress on various things, on things that they shouldn't have known about within the administration.

And they could get information to El Somer Hill.

They could get information to us on the Hill from time to time.

I think the President will recall, on several occasions, I told him various bits of information, and I got that information through that particular channel.

So I recommended to Henry that the Joint Chiefs not be addressed separately on anything, that anything must come to me, and so on and so forth.

Now, let's see.

He said, because of my experience in this thing, I felt it should be shut off.

There have been leaks, but I am sure it can be traced to this channel.

I don't want to take the action on my own to shut off any channel like that.

I think it's up to me to call it to the attention, and once I call it to the attention of the president, I think it's not up to me to go beyond that.

I think it's up to him to shut it off, not up to me.

Quite frankly, I feel that way.

What does he say, though?

Does he know now that this...

He says, I am sure that Robinson bootleg things over here to this building, not to me.

I never had access to a lot of this material.

But he's sure that it was all right.

No, I don't say, well, I don't know about that.

He said that there was material in Robinson's file and in Welner's file.

And Moore indicated that to me yesterday.

He said, I'm sure that he's gotten information that I didn't get from time to time.

He never gets into the right way to read cases as such.

But it's pretty obvious that the news control thing has traveled

for both Moore and Laird, and that they... What do you mean Laird and Moore?

He's got to be.

Sir?

Moore's got to have known.

Oh, sir.

Sure he has.

Because of the nature of the material.

Protecting the system, I would assume.

No.

And he knows that.

He can't be the center of the only material.

Now, Mel objected to the homosexual line for fear that the guy would jump over the traces and refuse to answer and go out and get a lawyer or go to the press or go to Anderson and blow the lid off the thing.

There's another way to go on this.

Young has found the Mormon bishop who has jurisdiction over this yeoman, this very devout Mormon.

The guy works for the Department of Defense.

He's a civilian.

And Young has talked to him.

and this bishop is willing to go to this kid and try and get him to give us a voluntary confession that will establish his motive so it's an alternate way and if it doesn't work we can go back to the polygraph

Well, we're going to know whether Anderson has been blackmailing him or pinging him or whether he did it from a higher morality standpoint or just what the lever was here, which cleans up the Anderson thing, but obviously does not clean up the Joint Chiefs thing.

I think we know.

Well, it only helps if...

Yes, sir.

Well, I think it just seals the case.

I think it just...

What's this?

Tell me this, uh, John Isaac, Bob said you didn't do it.

What in the hell is the reason that Henry or Hay did not mention this to me?

Not one word.

David.

I don't mean, I don't mean that there's an investigation.

Yeah.

There's any kind of release of a document, Henry's been here, got every sign, I'm starting to feel that we have to hang somebody, et cetera.

He hasn't said a word, well, about this.

Now, what the hell's the trouble with that?

There's one or two explanations.

Young is a student of Henry Kissinger, the man.

So he suggests one or two explanations.

Either Henry doesn't really know what's going on because he hasn't told him.

Well, I didn't tell him anything about this John Chief sample at all.

That's correct.

But beyond that, and I don't know what placebo somebody might have been giving you.

That's one explanation.

The other is that he's just, he's just lying low.

That he's, that this works to his disadvantage, and that he's just going to lie low and still start.

Everybody else, you know, I'm certain about it.

Whatever goes wrong, or whatever, I mean, whenever, we all like to find somebody else to blame.

I mean, it's about the National Security Department or the CIA or the Defense Department.

But Henry could never see anything wrong with his own child.

That's his problem.

And I think that may be what's involved here.

He just doesn't want to let himself disappear.

Well, that's it.

That's the question.

What was going on?

Well, when we confronted him before, he found out himself.

The Halpern types and some of those things.

He moved.

He was the one guy who heard and set about and did get rid of people.

You see, you have to realize that the camel with the cheeks is something that belongs.

Now that's part of something I want too.

I did not want to have his underwear.

And we're going to continue the camel with the cheeks, but we'll let them know what they're supposed to know.

The problem with that may be the problem.

The problem may be that they feel this will destroy the champion chiefs, and we'll have them in the Secretary of Defense's seat.

But you agree with that, maybe, but you're either right or certainly not right.

And it's something over there.

Do you think he'd come in and try to cover that and just say, you know, we're getting into squibble on dangerous ground here?

Yeah, or at least he would have come to me.

What is that?

I don't know if you...

He asked me what the hell you're up to.

He usually does.

He goes tiptoeing all over the place.

All right, just like you are.

All right.

Oh, it's supposed to be a very good one.

Yeah.

There's a little something about this bishop being an employee in the Department of Defense about it.

I just want to, I just want to, I don't think the guy's going to, I think the guy's going to turn around occasionally on the radio station.

What would you think about Colson calling on Anderson and saying, okay, Colson, you've made the fatal mistake and we've got you.

Well, what I was thinking was that somebody who is in regular contact with Anderson, I assume he was, somebody around here is, is a client.

Well, he would be good for this.

But somebody who would apologize for whatever.

Well, try to get a little byproduct of this that we could use where we say, Anderson, look, we've got the goods on you.

You have printed top secret material.

You've suborned a yeoman to theft.

These are violations of federal statute, and we're going to forbear to prosecute you.

But we just want you to know that we know.

Yeah, do that, isn't that right?

Yeah.

All right, I mean, we have some very traffic-sensitive...

I don't know if we should say that we're not going to do anything.

Just have Murray come and say, Jack, I just think you better know this.

They've got the woman.

And he's confessed.

He's confessed.

It's still the old lane.

The old lane is still the Missouri line.

24 hours to get out of town.

There's something good getting out of the office.

He doesn't reveal the sources, he wouldn't say that.

He'd say I've been approached.

What could he say?

Murray played his cards right.

What could he say?

I've been approached.

The government knows my source, but their power is to do anything about it.

Yeah, that's got some negatives to it.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

What is such an official on this?

I would guess it's six years.

That long?

I think so.

I'll check it, but I would think that's not right.

At least three years.

Yeah.

Well, let's see.

It would be about $100,000.

Either way.

Well, you tear up your joint piece.

I think you have to assume that.

That's right.

That's the basic question that I'm involved in.

I've had this other captain talk back.

He's on his way back.

I was like, yeah.

And I'd like to just cinch that one down, just to be sure we know we've got that in the barn.

But that's the only remaining loose end that I see, and that's except Henry and Al.

I don't think we need to talk to them for any information.

We've got all the information.

It just depends on what you do at this point.

In a way, they were assuming things were longer in place.

It is not fair for them to do that.

Maybe they ought to know.

Well, I'm not sure if it's one of the other people concerned about them, you know what I mean?

Because if they are, but we don't know if they're... We don't know if they're concerned.

But you're really talking to me.

Maybe we should talk.

Yeah, I think you have it.

We've got to, perhaps, a couple of days.

But it's not to be brought up to me.

That's the one thing I will not have.

I'm not going to have Henry on his childish hands on this subject.

I will not discuss it.

Just say your hand, Mr. Mitchell.

And we have to keep the right of others.

Right?

But that I know.

And I have.

Although I'm staying out of this relationship between the chiefs.

I think you ought to leave the RCM alone.

I really hate you.

I think alone first.

Maybe Bob and I would see him together.

I think you should see him together, but I would lay it in a hard-ass hellhole.

You know what I mean?

I would say it would be a dollar hole.

I'd say it's polygraphed.

Now we have evidence that it's not true.

And then say we can put that in the prosecution.

Put it that way.

and then get Henry to start saying hi and so forth and so on, smoke him out.

I don't want to know what the question is, whether or not he knows.

I understand.

I know he knows about the channel, and that I did not object to.

But I'm sure he does not know about it.

Right when he briefed me, that the channel was not supposed to be there.

As a matter of fact, Dave says he does not know that the Joint Chiefs had Henry's company papers for the meetings at night.

And another thing, David replayed the tape last night, and there's something quite a mess going by, but this yeoman could be sent into the process over in the NSC paper mill to pull out what the staff was recommending to Henry on decision papers that were coming to you in advance of the decision.

And this would be described through some names of people that meant nothing to me, but that Young recognized.

So that in fact, the Joint Chiefs were getting advances on where the weaknesses were in their case, in a decision that was coming to you, ahead of what they were getting to you.

so that it could be got absolutely well that'll bother the hell out of henry and uh i think that will in a way be more important to him than the wrestling with briefcases because that's the integrity of that whole process that he holds pretty dear nobody knows what's coming forward

And it's the Justice Department.

And it's going to be a buzz on the floor here.

How about putting it on the basis that you want Henry's recommendation as to what to do about the channel?

I don't know what I want to do.

I just say that I want Bob's recommendation.

All right.

All right, so I'll ask Bob to get it out and see what we can do with it.

Hey, Stephen, this channel's got to be closed.

All right.

This way.

but also the idea that big depression kind of crosses you.

Now that's definitely shady.

Now you start with that and say, don't raise it looking at me, we've got this problem, what are we going to do?

We say that we've taken up with Mitchell, and Mitchell is not going to be ready for prosecution.

They're going to prosecute him, and Morris is going to have to be at home too.

So shit, let me show you.

That's what's going to be done.

You're going to be teaching Morris.

You're going to put that away.

You're probably going to be at home.

You're going to take a rest.

It's going to be fast.

And you want to do what I'm holding you very much.

That's the way to handle it.

You're going to be at home.

You can say it here or not.

This part is nothing to me, nothing more to me.

But I just told him that they were coming down.

That's what should have happened.

In fact, they had the choice as far as they were curious to decide.

But I think you've got to know, now we've played a lot better.

If you'd have gone in earlier, two or three days before, you'd have gone in rather than pushing tail and saying, well, can't do what we're going to do.

It would have given him a chance to give me a hell of a showdown.

Now you go in and say, it's done and so forth.

So what did they tell me?

And say, well...

They told me yesterday, you've got to complete your portion.

That's that.

And I said, go ahead.

But he said, don't deny it.

What are you talking about?

Don't bring it up.

Don't bring this matter up.

I told him it wasn't a problem.

He said, it's a problem.

He said, do it.

Do it.

or something else.

Actually, this is the only one that can handle the prosecution.

He doesn't even have to say it.

I don't know if you can see it, but just keep it out of the way here so that if there isn't God in there, then I can do a lot of that.

A lot of abuse.

Huh?

I tell you, you could take a lot of abuse out of it.

We're over here.

And if you're probably watching here, you'll find somebody.

That's the problem.

Don't let it get off on that one.

Blame it on me for this.

Maybe it's the other way around in this country.

6% less effective.

That's right.

3%. 3%.

It was 10.

Did you do something?

What?

10.

10% less effective.

That's ridiculous.

Well, 3% better.

The friend, John Kennedy, took a little battle damage last night.

That's what I hear.

Oh, I don't see any.

If everybody watched him the last three months, that's why they sunk it in him and twisted it.

NBC very editorially.

John Kennedy has the barely responsibility for this.

Did he do it?

Arrogant.

Arrogant?

Arrogant.

They used to wear it viciously or something, didn't they?

Well, it was... Kennedy and his people were arrogant.

They thought that they knew better than anybody else.

They made terrible thunders.

They operated on known information.

But they did use to wear it.

Oh, yeah.

And the guys they had on, Forrestal and Pilsen, those guys sure bore that out.

They are... What's his name?

Calvert.

Yeah, Paul.

And covered their tracks.

Nobody was wrong.

Everybody was right.

Every damn one of them.

Kept telling the president what to do.

And told him not to have a coup, and not to go into Vietnam, and to get out of Vietnam, and all that.

And...

I mean, as far as I could tell, that's all I did.

You sat here all alone in the office?

Yeah, I just did it.

I just kept doing it.

That's the way it goes, though.

I don't like it that way.

That's a jackal.

That's not fast.

You must remember, you've got to remember this.

That is, that's all it's doing.

I mean, we've got the intellectual arrogance, too, you know.

And he will justify it without them, and he's got to run.

He cannot, because the point we are in terms of saying, well, we all justify it to an extent, but he cannot.

The one thing he cannot bear, believe it, is to be wrong.

That's the problem with us.

If you backslide and think about, you know, we're in a church.

It's like when he, like when he went over and had that, did that background, you know what I'm saying?

You know, he screwed it up.

Well, it's hard.

It's hard.

That's the trouble with too much education.

People get the feeling that they can do no wrong then and now.

They always go to the fences to show that they do make a mistake a lot.

They didn't do it.

But actually, they were right all the time.

And whenever you make a mistake, unless you cut your losses and get out,

you compounded it by trying to prove that you're right.

That was the trouble with the Kennedy and Johnson in Vietnam.

Assuming that it wasn't a mistake, they compounded it by trying to prove that it wasn't a mistake.

Now, it went deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper.

They showed that in one of the sequences in the show, when McNamara kept going over there and coming back, and they had clips of the things that he said, and then they compared it with what was really going on.

It was devastating.

There's about a second to the last.

But they quit at the death of Deanna so that they've got the whole nonsense so that they all develop the facts.

There's more to be done.

Well, I know they are saying that.

But this was done as a two-part series of it.

It's finished.

And now all of these people have received the recall documents.

Yeah, they quit all this stuff.

They don't like it.

That's the point.

The whole Life magazine is picking up now.

He was a CIA guy that we had lined up for NBC.

Do they have logs of him?

No.

Yeah, but they didn't have McBundy Lodge, McNamara.

They did have Rusk, I was surprised.

They had a lot of McNamara.

In Dooswood, yeah.

Where is it?

Well, I'll tell you everything.

When I wanted to see you, I knew that you were in the water.

I just had it all in my head, and suddenly I just thought, here it is.

All right.

You both agree that has a thing to do with you?

Well, yes.

I think so.

I think you've got to give it away as required.

So now we've managed the investigation, and we're going to move forward.

Okay.

Right.

And as some of the other people know about you, we've got a case of George and his property, you know, on these doors and, you know, terrible property.

With a general disciplinary ground, it would be good to show Congress that we're not going to put up with this kind of stuff next year.

I think there's a lot of damage.

There's a lot of states that we care about, and the West mostly.

And I don't propose to escalate it up to you if I can work it out.

It should be done.

Sir, why should it be vetoed?

Well, I think it's good.

I think it's quite clear now.

And, uh, it's an authorization.

I'm thinking that, you know, OMB would like to see this.

I know, I know.

I'm fine.

All right.

I'll, I'll, I'll do it next year.

But I think it's an authorization.

Could it be right for you to go into something so they can account and say, he vetoed it.

There was a requirement.

That's right.

And it will come.

It's an authorization.

Appropriation.

You're right.

That's right.

Thank you, sir.