Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 642 › Conversation 642-011

Nixon, Warren & Woods on Dan Rather and Media Relations

Monday, January 3, 1972 · 9:15 AM–9:19 AM ET · Oval Office · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Warren, Gerald L.; [Unknown person(s)]; Woods, Rose MaryConversation642-011 on Tape 642 (tape position 02:23:11–02:27:20)StartMonday, January 3, 1972 at 9:15 AMEndMonday, January 3, 1972 at 9:19 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 642-011 ↗

President Nixon met with Gerald L. Warren and Rose Mary Woods to assess the fallout and public reception of his recent televised interview with CBS correspondent Dan Rather. The participants reviewed Rather's confrontational tone and the specific subject matter covered, including the Vietnam War, POWs, and race relations. Nixon and Warren concluded that the interview was ultimately favorable for the President’s interests despite Rather's critical approach.

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Did anything get better?
Just a little bit better.
Well, the operation is in time for you.
Yeah.
Well, I'll leave it.
And then I'll see you now.
He's a wonderful man of all.
I'm sorry.
I'm not saying he's dirty.
He's dirty.
He never got back from college.
He's well.
I think it was a very, very good job of him.
That's great, Dave.
I didn't see it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sure.
Yeah.
Sure.
Sure.
Mr. Randers?
He, uh, he is quite a nasty bastard.
He always couches his harpoons in very kind language, but, uh... No, he didn't.
As a matter of fact, I think he served your interest, uh...
And the line that Pete is too important to postpone, I think, is a line that will last for a long time.
No, I don't think it serves his purpose, but I think in the long run it serves his purpose very well.
There were very few here last night, Mr. President, because of the lateness of the hour, most of the work in their offices.
No, that's right.
That's right.
I think they will not complain because, rather, one of them belongs to their group, so there will be less complaints about this.

On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Gerald L. Warren, unknown person(s), and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:15 am to 9:19 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 642-011 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 642-11

Date: January 3, 1972
Time: 9:15 am - 9:19 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Gerald L. Warren.

     Greetings

[An unknown woman talked with the President at 9:15 am.]

[Conversation No. 642-11A]

     Rose Mary Woods
          -Location

[Woods talked with the President between 9:15 am and 9:17 am.]

     Location

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's interview with Dan Rather, January 2, 1972
          -Rather
               -Tone
          -Questions
               -Television
               -Possible delay tactics by the President
                      -Ending the war
                            -The President's response
                                 -Rather's possible opinion
          -Press
               -Attendance
               -Possible view
          -Value
          -The President's performance and responses
               -Peace
               -Timing
               -Prisoners of war [POWs]
               -Vietnam
          -Omission of any questions concerning John B. Connally
          -Question on race relations
               -Differences
               -Slavery
               -Liberals' views
               -The President's response
                      -Time

     The President's schedule
          -Warren's announcement

Warren left at 9:19 am.
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  • 642-010 9:07 AM · 9 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Richard A. Moore met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:07 am to 9:14 am.
  • 018-001 9:19 AM · 18 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 9:19 am.
  • 018-002 9:19 AM · 4 min — President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers talked on the telephone from 9:19 am to 9:23 am.
  • 642-012 9:19 AM · 15 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at 9:19 am.
  • 642-013 9:19 AM · 41 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at 9:19 am.
  • 642-014 9:19 AM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:19 am to 9:23 am.
  • 642-015 9:25 AM · 39 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:25 am to 10:04 am.

Conversation 642-011, January 3, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/642-011 (accessed October 22, 2026).