{"conversationCode":"642-014","tapeNumber":642,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-642-014","startDateTime":"1972-01-03T14:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-03T14:23:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Jan-1972","startTime":"9:19 AM","endDate":"3-Jan-1972","endTime":"9:23 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rogers, William P.;","description":"On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:19 am to 9:23 am. 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