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Conversation 642-030

TapeTape 642StartMonday, January 3, 1972 at 12:07 PMEndMonday, January 3, 1972 at 12:13 PMTape start time05:06:25Tape end time05:12:09ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Hoffman, Clarence C.;  Hoffman, Clarence C. (Mrs.);  Colson, Charles W.;  McGill, John P.;  [Unknown person(s)];  White House photographerRecording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Clarence C. Hoffman, Mrs. Clarence C. Hoffman, Charles W. Colson, John P. McGill, unknown person(s), and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:13 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 642-030 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 642-30

Date: January 3, 1972
Time: 12:07 pm - 12:13 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Clarence C. Hoffman, Mrs. Clarence C. Hoffman, Charles W. Colson,
John P. McGill and an unknown man; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.

     Introductions

     Hoffman's driving record

     Arrangements for photographs session

     Presentation of "Driver of the Year" award sponsored by American Trucking Association,
          Inc.
          -Retention of award
          -Use

     Arrangements for photograph session
          -Sunlight

     Press

Members of the press entered at an unknown time after 12:07 pm.

     [Photograph session]

     [General conversation]

     Presentation of gifts by the President
          -Cufflinks
          -Pin with presidential seal

The press left at an unknown time before 12:13 pm.

     Clarence Hoffman’s comments about the President

     Phone

     Minnesota
         -Weather

     Washington, DC

Hoffman, et al. left at 12:13 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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You're laying in the water now.
That'd be nice.
So we have a startling shift in that interview, so it's...
He asked you that question about the differences between black and white, and you could see the way he asked it that he thought he had really nailed you.
And that one, you know, he just hit right out of the ballpark.
He just sort of left it.
It's a rather stupid question.
It was, you know, he had this line.
Why don't you begin with that?
I'll put barrels in one of the openings.
Frequently, they give you a quote that wasn't ever made before and ask you to comment on it.
That's very, very dirty business.
Well, that's how it is.
In some cases, where you see what I did, blacks and whites, which probably was part of the interview where I was talking about, they grow up in different schools and different neighborhoods and so on and so on.
They're different.
and everybody's the same.
And everybody's the same.
I mean, whites are not the same.
You know, what is that ad on television, you know, the literature?
There's this boy that was speaking at the back of the lab, where they show the pool there, and the golf player, and all the rest.
The rich are very different from the rest of us.
I don't know if you can see George Allen, but he's George Allen.
I don't know if this is not me or it's the bad George.
You know, the one with the smarts, the one with the smarts.
And now the, there's several, one of them is in the back on the street, one of them is on the right side.
The other one is George Allen.
He was the fellow that, uh, prisoned Eisenhardt in July, playing bridge with him.
He was a criminal.
He was a criminal.
He was a criminal.
He was a criminal.
He was a criminal.
He was out playing golf with the person in the car, though, just before the arm attack.
Yeah.
He doesn't play at all.
He's too down.
Too back.
Sorry.
Oh, shoot.
That's a lot of figures.
I see you've got the best driver of the year.
That's a great record.
That's a great record.
Have you ever worked on them?
Yes.
Have you ever worked on them?
Yeah, we have done a lot.
We look out for your problems, and we congratulate you.
All right.
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