{"conversationCode":"642-030","tapeNumber":642,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-642-030","startDateTime":"1972-01-03T17:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-03T17:13:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Jan-1972","startTime":"12:07 PM","endDate":"3-Jan-1972","endTime":"12:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Hoffman, Clarence C.; Hoffman, Clarence C. (Mrs.); Colson, Charles W.; McGill, John P.; [Unknown person(s)]; White House photographer;","description":"On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Clarence C. Hoffman, Mrs. Clarence C. Hoffman, Charles W. Colson, John P. McGill, unknown person(s), and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:13 pm. 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McGill and an unknown man; the White House photographer was present at the\nbeginning of the meeting.\n\n     Introductions\n\n     Hoffman's driving record\n\n     Arrangements for photographs session\n\n     Presentation of \"Driver of the Year\" award sponsored by American Trucking Association,\n          Inc.\n          -Retention of award\n          -Use\n\n     Arrangements for photograph session\n          -Sunlight\n\n     Press\n\nMembers of the press entered at an unknown time after 12:07 pm.\n\n     [Photograph session]\n\n     [General conversation]\n\n     Presentation of gifts by the President\n          -Cufflinks\n          -Pin with presidential seal\n\nThe press left at an unknown time before 12:13 pm.\n\n     Clarence Hoffman’s comments about the President\n\n     Phone\n\n     Minnesota\n         -Weather\n\n     Washington, DC\n\nHoffman, et al. left at 12:13 pm.","filename":["642a.mp3","642b.mp3","642c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:06:25","tapeEnd":"05:12:09","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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