{"conversationCode":"643-003","tapeNumber":643,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-643-003","startDateTime":"1972-01-03T19:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-03T19:10:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:07 PM","endDate":"3-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:10 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Dreyfus, Jack J., Jr.; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr., and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:07 pm to 2:10 pm. 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Ehrlichman\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:10 pm.\n\n     Dreyfus\n          -Golf\n          -Tennis\n          -Physical condition\n          -Tennis courts\n\n**********************************************************************\n\f[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/03/2022.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[643-003-w001]\n[Duration: 12s]\n\n              -Walking\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Walter H. Annenberg\n          -Position\n          -Gift\n                -Steuben glass\n                      -Presidential seal\n          -Philadelphia Inquirer and TV Guide\n          -Palm Springs\n          -Esthetic sense\n\n     Portrait of George Washington\n           -Charles Willson Peale\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/11/2022.\n10s segment cleared for release. 48s remain closed as 643-003-w002.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[643-003-w002]\n[Duration: 48s]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Personal Returnable]\n[643-003-w002]\n[Duration: 10s]\n\n     Article\n           -The President’s perusal\n                -Forthcoming California trip\n\n**********************************************************************\n\fDreyfus left at 2:10 pm.","filename":["643-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:10:47","tapeEnd":"00:15:02","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Dreyfus, Jack J., Jr.","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"643-002","nextCode":"643-004","transcript":[{"start":4.11,"end":6.23,"text":"Of course, Mr. President, you can find a call."},{"start":6.54,"end":8.44,"text":"Your age is younger than mine."},{"start":9.58,"end":11.82,"text":"Oh, sir."},{"start":12.28,"end":12.72,"text":"You're... 58."},{"start":16.2,"end":16.66,"text":"You're what?"},{"start":16.68,"end":16.66,"text":"38."},{"start":16.86,"end":22.9,"text":"When did you bar?"},{"start":24.12,"end":25.84,"text":"August 1936."},{"start":26.07,"end":26.59,"text":"January."},{"start":26.61,"end":27.03,"text":"18 months older."},{"start":27.67,"end":28.57,"text":"Yeah, 18 months older."},{"start":30.19,"end":52.2,"text":"Okay, okay, uh, uh, uh, uh, Dreyfus would like to see, can the hole, if he's around now, or is he, or he may be, in a new arrangement."},{"start":52.22,"end":53.5,"text":"Yes, he's right upstairs, I see him."},{"start":54.9,"end":57.36,"text":"If you'd like to just sit on that side of this."},{"start":57.44,"end":58.27,"text":"Hello, what's that?"},{"start":59.16,"end":60.03,"text":"Oh, it's a tennis."},{"start":60.05,"end":64.81,"text":"I thought I had a chance to tell you."},{"start":64.87,"end":66.29,"text":"You're in great shape."},{"start":66.37,"end":67.11,"text":"This is great."},{"start":68.09,"end":69.87,"text":"You have a tennis court down at your park."},{"start":69.91,"end":71.01,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":71.03,"end":76.15,"text":"That's great."},{"start":76.21,"end":76.59,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":79.38,"end":84.45,"text":"Oh, I never learned to fly a double-task ship just a little bit."},{"start":84.51,"end":86.67,"text":"You've got to keep up."},{"start":88.13,"end":90.29,"text":"That's a bigger thing."},{"start":90.31,"end":93.25,"text":"This walking is about 50 yards."},{"start":93.27,"end":95.93,"text":"Oh, let me show you something pretty funny."},{"start":95.99,"end":97.15,"text":"Look at this."},{"start":97.81,"end":102.74,"text":"Walter Anker, my wife's ambassador to London, got this made by..."},{"start":104.28,"end":120.12,"text":"the uh class and you see that's the presidential seal you know it's a it's a course made specifically for this isn't that a nice thing he's a he's a great uh"},{"start":121.4,"end":133.67,"text":"You have a guy that, you know the guy, you probably haven't met him, but he's just a person, he's an artist, he's a successful man, he published in the Philadelphia Inquirer, he still does a big thing on TV, a guy at Palm Springs, but he loves beautiful things."},{"start":133.69,"end":140.69,"text":"And he said, you know, he saw it, so that's under the picture."},{"start":141.59,"end":142.95,"text":"You don't recognize him, that's why you, you know."},{"start":144.36,"end":146.61,"text":"That's Washington by the older people."},{"start":146.79,"end":154.68,"text":"There are many people still who did this with Washington."},{"start":154.82,"end":155.74,"text":"It looks like it."},{"start":203.77,"end":204.77,"text":"Yeah, I will."},{"start":204.79,"end":205.05,"text":"I will."},{"start":205.37,"end":205.59,"text":"Fine."},{"start":205.73,"end":206.05,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":206.13,"end":207.51,"text":"And I'll let you know how this comes out."},{"start":207.59,"end":209.4,"text":"I'll read it on the way out to California."},{"start":209.81,"end":210.68,"text":"I'd love it."},{"start":210.7,"end":211.8,"text":"Well, good to see you, Jack."},{"start":211.88,"end":212.2,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr. and Stephen B. Bull to discuss personal matters, including physical fitness, sports, and scheduling a meeting with Kenneth R. Cole. The conversation also touched upon a gift from Ambassador Walter H. Annenberg and a portrait of George Washington. The President concluded the meeting by agreeing to review an article provided by Dreyfus during his upcoming trip to California.","topics":["Physical fitness","Walter H. Annenberg","Kenneth R. 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