Conversation 644-012

On January 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Barbara Dunn, Karl D. Bays, Earl W. Brian, Rita R. Campbell, D. Brooks Chandler, Jane Claflin, Frank C. Coleman, James R. Cowan, Theodore EW. Cummings, Rosamond C. Gabrielson, James W. Haviland, John A. Hill, Alice K. Leopold, Kenneth M. McCaffree, J. Alexander McMahon, C. Joseph Stetler, William H. Thomas, Samuel J. Tibbitts, Donald J. Walden, John C. Whitwell, Raymond J. Waldeman, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Stephen B. Bull, John Tomayko, Doreas Hardy, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:16 pm to 12:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 644-012 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 644-12

Date: January 10, 1972
Time: 12:16 pm - 12:34 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Barbara Dunn, Karl D. Bays, Earl W. Brian, Rita R. Campbell, D.
Brooks Chandler, Jane Claflin, Frank C. Coleman, James R. Cowan, Theodore E. Cummings,
Rosamond C. Gabrielson, James W. Haviland, John A. Hill, Alice K. Leopold, Kennth M.
McCaffree, J. Alexander McMahon, C. Joseph Stetler, William H. Thomas, Samuel J. Tibbitts,
Donald J. Walden, John C. Whitwell, Raymond J. Waldmann, Donald H. Rumsfeld and Stephen
B. Bull; John Tomayko and Doreas Hardy may also have been present; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Introductions
           -General conversation
                -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s return from African trip
                -Stanford University
                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
     [Photograph session]

     Recommendations of committee
         -Duration of efforts
         -Health services industry
         -The President’s gratitude

     Health industry
          -Quality
          -Leadership
          -Cooperation with the administration’s economic program
                -Phase I
          -The President's economic program
          -Costs of services
                -Inflation
          -Management, technology, labor
          -Economic programs
          -As example
          -Representatives
                -Background
          -Volunteers
                -Value
          -Role of government

     White House dining services
          -Chefs, staff
               -Europeans

     White House Mess
          -Filipino staff
                -Navy

     Presentation of gifts
          -Cuff links, bow pins

     The President's health

     General conversation
         -Unknown person
               -California

Dunn, et al. left at 12:34 pm.

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You were so nice to come out on that red and everything.
You know, I'm a bit deported.
You can sit right over there.
I got it.
Mr. Cable?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I don't know.
Yes, she's, uh, she just got back last night.
Yes, she did.
John Hill.
Yes.
Have you seen Jimmy Thompson?
Yes, yes, yes.
Jimmy, glad to see you.
You're very beautiful.
Yes, my best.
Thank you very much, President.
Thank you, sir.
Hello, how are you?
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
This is a great place.
Here we are.
How are you?
How is it?
Beautiful.
Well, I'm sure it's going to be great.
The next time, it's going to be beautiful.
It's going to be great.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You know, all I'm saying is that we're, as a person, we all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
We all have a debt to pay.
Thank you.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Now listen, that's great.
Now listen, that's great.
Yes, they don't have to slaughter them.
They don't have to do this.
They don't have to do this.
They don't have to do this.
They don't have to do this.
They don't have to do this.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
Hold them down.
Backwards.
I don't know what's going on.
Go on, do better.
I don't know.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
You've got all this color, Myra.
Do you want to tell us a little about the Gartner?
Well, Mr. President, they've been going, I think, about two months.
Is that correct, Father?
About two months, and they've proceeded to come forward with their basic recommendations and now are continuing with a series of activities relating to the health industry services and I think doing an excellent job.
They were here in town and they're having...
lunch in the White House, and I thought it would be nice for you to say hello to him and thank him you've not had a chance to meet him yet this year.
Well, I know many men.
I know some men from previous years.
And I particularly wanted to thank you first for what you're doing, because this area is one
in the country.
We hear about what doctors charge.
We also know the hospital costs, the whole cost of medical services.
It's a very lively issue.
The important thing for us to remember is that we've got to handle it in a way that we don't throw out the good and the bad.
Now in order to do that, it means that within this great industry which
still produces the best health service overall in the world.
And you have the kind of leadership that deals with these problems before some demagogues out in government come in and try to deal with it for you.
And for that reason, I was particularly impressed with the fact that this industry was so cooperative in our phase one.
The cost of health services is down.
As you well know, the statistics in this area are not particularly encouraging.
If you look over the past, these go up and up and up.
Services generally in this country have been the main source of the inflationary spiral.
that services have such a high degree of personal involvement.
And consequently, the costs of manpower, womanpower, go up.
The cost of services escalate.
This means, therefore, that we simply have to get more out of the people that we have in the services.
It means also that we have to have leadership in managing technical capabilities such as we've never had before.
And so I began by saying we're most appreciative of the fact that we've had such a cooperation through.
I think the stakes are very high, clearly beyond the immediate problems of phase one, phase two, et cetera, that you read about.
That is to take this great, it's called an industry, and I guess it is in a certain sense, this whole soft,
health services area, and to make it an example for the whole world to see.
I'd just like to add one final note that some of you are from government.
Most of you are not.
And I know that as you go across the country, there are literally hundreds of thousands of people who are volunteers in this field, who contribute to hospitals,
to all various activities that are involved in health services.
And most of you represent that.
This is something uniquely American.
It's something that's worth preserving.
It's something also that is, and I say this to those of you who are hospital administrators and the rest, it's something also that we must constantly
emphasize as we talk to people it's so easy for us in this country with our great tradition of volunteers and to throw up our hands and say it's too big for people this time over the government government is playing an increasingly big role a big role in education a bigger role of government a bigger role for everything else but that yeast which comes from
the volunteers, the contribution of financial, the contribution of services and so forth, which is non-governmental, is something which gives our health services and so many other areas of our lives a special calling.
I hope all of you will emphasize that and continue to even think of these other problems that have to do with money and costs.
So with that, Don, are we going to get into the blue plate today?
The White House message, actually, it's not a fancy place, as you will see.
You might get it in some of its backgrounds.
In the White House proper, and many of you, I know, gets there, it's European staff, European as far as the chefs are concerned.
in addition to the Swiss and the German.
And that's, of course, been a tradition for some time.
The waiters and the head waiter and so forth and so on, traditionally, had been Negroes.
And it's a very refined staff.
And they're really special.
And they're very proud.
very competitive equipment as a White House mission.
It's Filipino.
With, of course, it's in some degree of participation from others.
But the reason it's Filipino is it was Navy.
So the Navy, the Navy runs this one within the Philippines.
And that's very similar.
And the other one, they compete with the Europeans out over there.
And so as you sit there, you can just imagine you're on some big Navy carrier, and you figure that you're eating almost as well as the animals.
Most of you probably heard us remind you of something for your trip to Washington.
It's just trinkets.
You see what I mean?
These are the presidential couplets, which have a little, which has the presidential seal on it.
It's there in the couplet, and then for the ladies, a little bow pinned with the same thing.
So, I thought you had to put it all together.
And we have them already together.
I'll just say that I'm rather unusual to people who have occupied this office.
I've been here now three years.
Three years, I've never missed a day.
So I don't expect to be one of your people.
Thank you very much.
He's in California.
Thank you very much.