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And he checked specifically on the, that they had, you know, the people that were on the plane, Rogers, Stanson, and you can't leave because of nothing.

He doesn't be sure.

But yeah, he's aware of the fact that he's supposed to be person to be sure to comment or follow up.

Yeah, he did, I don't think, personally follow up on this, and that's why he's checking to see what the response was.

But I just want to be sure.

I don't care whether they come or not, but I just want them to, you know, never feel a little slighted or something that somebody was coming and somebody was not.

The reason being that I guess...

The biggest job I've gotten is 6,000 words rather than 3,000, 2,500.

It's unbelievable.

So he wasn't, as you can see, he wasn't ready yesterday.

No, so he said over an enormous amount of work to do.

Well, I'm not going to push him because I'm going to make him do it first.

But nevertheless, I've got to work.

Now, what I was going to say is this week, so that I don't get cat and dog to death, can we get any other junk in today than I have to?

Well, you had said do one thing a day, so that's the only... Well, that's not... What do you have, for example?

We have now, we have Sheehan, your Federal Reserve guy, swearing in tomorrow.

And then...

There's a Bob Anderson appointment which we were trying to do for California on the 13th, which was the only other day he could make it.

Bob Anderson.

And then the Arthur Plumbing is running it on Friday.

I'll skip that.

And then go back to the 12th and that's it.

I'll stick around here all week.

On Thursday, I'll go up to Camp David and I've got to get to work, okay?

See what I mean?

Shop to nothing Friday.

I don't have anything on the 16th.

See, I'm going to have a hell of a job here, just a hell of a job, because I've got to get the goddamn Vietnam thing done, too, you see.

So, I wonder whether I just don't have anything on Fridays.

I have to be here for it anyway, see?

Yeah.

But maybe we can...

on the school finance thing.

This is what he wants to talk about.

Well, it is, but he wants you to be in a position of having converted with McElroy because they're going to use that school financing as a part of it.

Well, if we have an eye to talk to Collingwood about it.

So I don't know whether he's going to approve of that.

I think we're not going to use it.

The question would be, if you meet with McElroy, whether you want to .

This approach, and with the launching of the thing now, and the Intergovernmental Relations Commission, and all that sort of getting floating with it.

I don't think he's got a problem.

I'd better let that one go.

No problem.

Just put it on early, and we can get it out of the way if you want.

I may have to see Conway, because of the other thing.

But I think on the political side, John wants to.

I just, I just.

He doesn't have anything.

That's it.

I'll wait until after the State of the Union, so we can get at some of that stuff.

And hope that everything else will fall into place.

Fair enough.

Yeah.

What is the meaning of something else in British life?

Rush.

I know it has been a long experience, but I really have to concentrate on these speeches.

Yeah, there's no way to go at the piano rush.

See if we can move rush at 12.30 today.

If he's in town, you know, they won't shoot him.

My plan now is to make the Vietnam crew think, but I don't think so.

That's my plan.

Thursday, 5 o'clock.

5 o'clock.

So I think you could get it through.

Anderson, why don't you have those swearings the same day?

They're not that big a story.

It's not really good.

Do you think?

They're not a big story.

We wanted to get separate stories out of it.

The whole of the Sheehan story doesn't make any difference to us.

In fact, you're really doing it for internal.

Plumbing, you're doing it for external.

Well, we'd just have a CNN and not have a press.

I don't think you need a press opportunity for that.

The world doesn't give a damn about the Federal Reserve, that's for sure.

I think we should just have an Ali Adkins picture of our CNN and then have Fleming in for a press opportunity the same day.

Why not?

Try and do them both tomorrow.

So, yeah.

3 and the 12th are very fine views, I think, going out of the wrap-ups.

We've already pulled the lines.

Yeah, but I don't think it's probably not a problem to change it yet.

And so just be sure to be bright and clear.

And we'll move plumbing to Wednesday if we can't get it right.

Right, right, right.

Can we all agree that if we get along, we're not a Catholic community?

Yeah.

We're having a Catholic day.

Correct.

Or do they feel they should have a Catholic day?

But he's raised it a bit.

Be sure to tell me on the following week.

I'd like to get a Catholic leader to get him the hell out of the way before I go to...

On the leaders, in order to make some hay, Clark had suggested we have a briefing, one briefing of the Republican leaders, one of the Democratic leaders.

John suggested that we do that and actually give them the long message.

Tell them to keep it a secret, but brief them on it, run it through.

Doing the Republicans Tuesday and the Democrats on Wednesday.

You've got to have them to get it.

You can't have Democrat leaders alone and then Republican leaders alone.

The point is, though, is that your point?

My question is, yes, probably, to open this over, you know, over the night by the state of the river.

I don't think you did it.

The park doesn't know.

Their idea would be, you know, you open it, explain,

You know, the fact that there's a comprehensive message and all, and that your people will go through it.

Well, you've got to be, you remember, and I've got to have an evening to clear.

I can't do anything, frankly, through the evening.

That's kind of what the day we selected for Vietnam meant, right?

And together we wouldn't want to do it before the 19th anyway.

They won't actually be there.

They're just going to be in.

What do they want to do?

The 19th is the time to do it.

I mean, they want to have the leader down for it.

What they had in mind was that the leaders had a chairman.

Oh, no.

I don't know if that'll work.

Correct.

At the time.

You know, the day before the main, uh, yard, about an hour before the, uh, not long before the break.

It'll be his proposal.

Same anyway.

Mm-hmm.

That probably wasn't necessary.

Well, the last you had said was that you'd do that an hour before.

And again, when Henry would do the briefing, you'd open it and walk out.

Because you'd have to go on the air.

But that would be the foreign policy of the years.

All right.

We have the others.

Well, I agreed to do something with those guys.

That damn volunteer thing.

It happens to volunteer.

They got us in the press thing.

She figured we still could do that.

Our deal was that you drop by the dinner after the press thing.

I said, you're right.

And then go on the floor after that.

The thing about the national program is that it may offer an opportunity to get Paubert out of the way quickly and easily.

I think he wants to come to that.

And my view would be to have him then for a black-tie dinner that night, the night of the breakfast in the morning, you see.

and a lifetime, within an hour's interview, appointment in the middle of the day.

And that was Boyd having a two-day crack, he would say, at Blair House.

And let's just say, it seemed preferable, just give an hour's interview.

There's a static dinner of the 20 governors, the vice president, the cabinet.

senior White House staff.

They'd have briefings late afternoon and then you'd have them to dinner.

You have to have them that.

And it's been like, let's don't get too cracked up before they'll have to take off the chimes.

So we're not, and there's not very many, I don't know, I haven't even gotten away with Wallstone, I suppose.

That's about 20 years ago.

Yeah.

Let's come back to Republican dinner in September.

We do it the night before.

whether you could get a copper gun the night before, but that's not what they're doing now.

The first question is whether you want to do the Republican governors.

The answer is no, but this is if Mitchell feels wrong, I have to do it.

I go to Mitchell, Agnew, and Ehrlichman.

Strongly urge, because they've got them all aboard now, and this is the right time to lock them up before the election.

All right.

Let's go.

But one thing for sure is that you've got to emphasize this to John and to the John Reed and all the domestic people and the rest.

On readings, don't get any involvement.

That's the one thing right here I want you to be sure to understand.

I, there is, I've found times when it's impossible for me to walk into the room and leave.

And they just don't like it.

So the thing to do is to sit there and have a briefing, and I'll do it then.

But you see what I, they got me to sit around and listen to all they've got to give us.

That's the way they have this one set up, is they brief them in the afternoon, and then.

I'll give you that.

Sure.

Now, I've not had the two Vermont guys in for photos.

I don't think you want to do that kind of thing, do you?

Or do you not?

I don't have a reason to.

You should do that with an accomplice.

Stafford's not there.

Well, there's no harm done in having them in for a picture.

It's just that all they have to do is take a picture.

Now all I do is all I have to do is, like I said, don't screw around with these press officers.

Now, Henry's got... Oh, let's see, the school finance thing.

That would be, uh, not the right thing to hold up on for now.

The Secretary was invited, and as a matter of fact, his personal secretary called back at one point and asked if he could bring several other people last night, which we, of course, said yes.

I wonder if some screw-up came to his office on four separate occasions, and once his secretary asked me to bring several other people.

There must have been something.

I wonder if there was some way they didn't get up that night.

It sounds like it's very hard.

Unless they had people in town or something and were going to come, and then for some reason decided not to.

I don't want them to feel that they have to dash right that we didn't expect.

I just want to be sure that some guy didn't.

We ended the ceremony better.

It didn't let them up, if you see what I mean.

I thought it was possible, but I can't imagine it would happen.

And they were never going to meet Kevin in person.

It made an effort to...

Okay.

Yes, sir.

Well, let's go over there.

Thank you.

No, no.

See, it's not with the commission.

It's only with McElroy and...

Excuse me.

Ambassador Rush just brought the international report down.

The assumption is that he can make it in 12.30.

That's right.

That'd be better.

If he can, just

Well, why don't you say it, or his and Dean's, because that's all right.

Well, what I do is, it's just a Thursday, and I don't know about the other days, but any time before the State of the Union, but if you're going to do it, Wednesday or Thursday would be the time.

What else did I do on Thursday?

Bob Anderson.

Bob Anderson, you talked about the industrial conference, didn't you?

I shouldn't have agreed to that.

to the whole band bunch.

But not anything before 11 o'clock.

Just between the speed of 11.30 and 11.

And then Anderson at 12.

Anderson at 12, 11.30, 12.

OK, take care of that.

And this is state also, or it's primarily state, Henry and Dorsey.

to request an office meeting with, as a worker meeting, a working meeting with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

Who is going to be here?

Jesus Christ, we just can't do it.

What do they realize?

We can do it after the State of the Union on the 26th.

All right.

So we asked for the 15th or 16th.

I won't do anything before the State of the Union.

I'm just going to say more before the State of the Union.

In fact, not from her, not from Whittaker, not from anybody, you know.

Sure.

This is just not wrong.

And otherwise, I won't get it done.

The question is just whether we do these and other ones at all.

They really put the heat on it.

The damn ambassador called me, and I didn't take the call.

25th and 26th.

The difficulty is that I'm not doing a press conference, and I'm not sure what I want to do on that, too.

Well, we sort of scratched that.

I know, but I kept it open in case I wanted to, yeah.

The question of cabinet leaders in that period, where it says, Christ, yes, yes.

Go ahead.

Although you can do that like on Tuesday the 1st.

You have that prayer breakfast.

You can have a cup of tea afterwards or something.

Or something after that.

Get all that shit done.

Just got to screw it up.

That's right.

We'll try to get those on.

I do this too.

Just do one after another.

Get them done.

When did you say you could have it?

They've asked for the, about 0.6 of the baby.

He can adjust.

Can you do it with 25?

I'm sure.

Let's go with 25.

25 to 5-11.

11-39.

I'm doing it for a reason.

They're going to get on the hill.

I'm going to call 36.

I'm going to ask him.

Now you've got Bartzell.

I can't see him.

Henry put that one in on the basis that you were unable to receive him in the fall.

And I sent it back on the basis that you saw him last year.

Earlier in the year, but apparently he also asked that you remember him.

You saw him in April and he asked again to see him.

And we withdrew the request quickly.

And Henry tried to see Bartzell instead.

Bartzell declined seeing Henry.

Now he's asked for an appointment in the second half of January.

And apparently you said to Bronson that you were going to be seeing Barco in the near future.

Screw up, since we're already screwed up anyway.

Let's do it the night of the day of the wall spinner.

See, when you're screwed up anyway, do it on the day of the wall spinner.

Right, that's what I'm trying to say.

I mean, I don't think he canned his Dutchman to them, too, that far.

Except the Dutchman was funny, but the bars were funny.

Okay.

Yeah, he's now got a 3.4-liter thing for an X-72.

Yeah.

He's hitting air on Turkey.

He's asking to do it in January because he's going to France January 19th to 22nd.

He could come to the U.S. immediately after that.

And that's just because it's a good time for him, it seems to me.

The point is,

So we said, you know, we'd do it later.

Now the question is, do we still have to see Turkey?

Well, I sure as hell don't have to see it now.

I haven't got any time between now and the time I go to China.

Okay, just tell Henry, tell him, he has so many alternatives to improve the physical identity.

Oh, I won't even, I'm going to get screwed later with this.

That was all.

Now, what else you got?

What, should we say no visit then?

No, no, I'll do that.

I may do that in April or something.

I'll try to work on some big thing, you know, when it's convenient.

But we know that these are not to our interest, Bob, generally speaking.

That's enough.

I thought we weren't doing any, but I guess we've got some good sense.

The other one is it's a very...

They say you've agreed to invite him following the...

You have already agreed to invite us to a very appallingly gently event, and I think so I've never had it.

But this may be, I may want to do that after Moscow.

You understand?

It doesn't have to be before, it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference when it is.

So, uh, I said, uh, uh, well, after Moscow.

I think also,

And we ought to move Turkey out of the Moscow-Germany seal, which is the other three.

All right.

Turkey's not a state visit.

Now, all state visits, I mean, let me put this honestly, all state visits in this period will be the one-day kind.

I'm not going to have the two meetings anymore.

But I will give them, just say it's to be the time of the visit where they ought to come, and I'll see them.

And there's not to be, under any circumstances, any exception to that law.

No exception, whatever.

Office appointment only.

And a dinner.

And you've got to get back to your area of dinner, and you'll have to get back to your area of dinner.

I'll do that.

But I'll see them in the morning, and then I give them the dinner, and that's it.

That's it.

I'm not going to go through the crap.

This year, we can't do it any other way.

Who's the other one?

Hirohito.

Hirohito's definitely not this year.

Okay.

That's it.

Except that there are three outstanding invitations, but the initiative is live with them.

That's Morocco, Peru, and Nigeria.

And we may find it's too late for us here.

I may want to do a visit to Ivory Coast because it is very, very cursed.

Now, that would be, and that's why I want you to tell Henry about it, just for your information.

I may extend the petition to Ivory Coast for the Monday.

You understand what I mean by the Monday visit.

The man arrives.

We have an arrival ceremony.

I sing for an hour and a half.

I'm true.

That's it.

Vice President, there's absolutely nothing else, though.

Nothing else under any circumstances.

So I can't do it.

I don't think it's hard.

What do you want to do with Don Kendall in this?

So he can report it.

Oh, I guess I can't talk to him.

That's good.

After, I mean, I'll have to see it sometime.

But after the end of the game, when I'm going forward with the Soviets, so it's fresh in my mind.

Okay.

As he's insisted before, I'll be staying as soon as possible.

But he's been told that, you know, that probably would have to be after China.

Okay, well, let's just say that.

I want to know.

It's very in my mind.

I also got to see

Oh, we're...

The surprises keep popping up.

That's...

I don't want to... Well, I put in... You know, that's what I'm talking about.

That one, I got to do it at home.

At one very high level.

You can see... You can do the math.

It's so good.

I would like to put in about one week, I think.

It's not... Yeah, I think it's all...

Wouldn't hurt to throw a few in here and there anyway, just to keep the point of policy issues boiling, although they don't get much attention tonight.

Well, we're doing very well.

That's good.

And we'll put the midday stuff in Wednesday if we have to.

I'll keep Wednesday clear if I can.

Sure.

And then when you're clear from noon on, or 1230 on Friday and Thursday, see if you can head on up to Camp David at midday Thursday and stay there right on through because you're clear.

Then you'll be clear Friday and clear Saturday and clear Sunday.

The Super Bowl on Sunday.

Well, and you're clear on Monday.

I have to.

I can't do it tomorrow and stay and work all day Wednesday, you see, just to get a day of total awareness.

Well, would you rather do that with me not scheduling it?

I would prefer it if I could hold it.

But if it's a choice between Wednesday and Friday, it's rather fragile.

I'm bold, but if I can't.

Yeah, you can't.

All right.

Yeah.

I was going to take snaps of it.

The President got either 69 or 71 percent in New Hampshire last time.

Do you expect that you'll get the same percentage this time that Kirk said, I'm sure we'll do just as well?

Yeah.

Well, that's too bad.

He should have said no.

I don't expect to get a no here.

The reason he should have said no is there's two people campaigning up there.

Until they were campaigning and the other man got a free shot and Romney dropped out.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And so under certain circumstances, you can't possibly do it.

How can you?

You can put it out and knock it down.

Yeah, we'll start with that.

Just put it around.

You expect to get more than the other.

Better than 90%.

Yeah.

I asked if you had any.

You could relate to that at all.

You could relate to that.

But the same grace would give the five-power alliance together.

Sort of a strange kind of deal, what the hell it is.

Yeah.

My chest.

Hey, that's... That's how it is.

That's good.

Stick around a minute.

This Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations, which is the Vice President's idea of a place to send this proposal, is kind of interesting because it's bipartisan.

Muskie is on it, along with Dale Bumpers and Warren Hearns, Sam Irvin.

But the other people are Bo Callaway, Banfield, Reagan, Ogilvy, Finch, Rodney, and Schultz.

All of them are from the House Ways and Means Committee, Florence Dwyer.

And then some local government people in Russell Arrington, Bob Knowles from Wisconsin.

And so it's a mixed bag, but it has interesting implications from the standpoint of Westinghouse.

who would have to fish and cut bait on this thing, one way or the other.

Or might have to.

He could absent himself, I suppose, from the whole thing, but... Now, can you make a fuss out of that?

Yeah, sure.

But the Vice President's thought here is that you sort of have him and John Connolly and Elliot Richardson go to this commission and say, here are these problems.

The President's been on top of this in terms of defining the problems.

Here's one possible solution.

We don't know if it's the right solution or not.

There are a lot of intergovernmental problems with it.

There are a lot of questions with the relationship of evaluated tax to state sales taxes, and a lot of questions of the best way for the federal government to interlock with states and localities.

You people are the intergovernmental relations experts in the world.

So here it is.

Now, at the same time you're looking at that, we have the McElroy group over here looking at school problems.

And down the road a couple or three months, the President would like to be in a position to have the very best thinking of your commission and the McElroy commission.

And when he gets back from Russia, he's going to be able to come to grips with this, or words to that effect.

And the Vice President feels that

as a lot of others do, that the heavy stress ought to be on real estate taxation rather than on the value added or any pat answer, but that here's a way for you to dominate the issue and to defer the necessity of taking a position on a pat solution.

the same time in the State of the Union or some other time you can say I have this week referred to the Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations a comprehensive proposal which attacks the problems of real estate taxation and so on and so forth in support of education.

Well, I would start with the situation in common with what I'm talking about.

I did on the airplane coming back.

How did he react?

He reacted very favorably to the idea of giving us the advice and permission.

He likes to feel that we're on both feet on this.

We're not off balance.

He does not want to see you advocate a pat-handsome to all these problems right now.

He doesn't want to see the union on this.

He wants reference to the problems, but not the need.

Pat knows.

He thinks that this way that the Vice President suggested lets us put this out, keep our balance, be in a position to disarm it at a later time if it's heavily criticized.

particularly if you refer to him.

I was thinking of the same thing.

I looked at the case, and I'm going to make sure I have it.

He hasn't done it.

The person hasn't done it.

It's a very good one.

There are several that he's working on now.

But he has his report.

you've got to include that, you've got to include everything else.

And the one guy that can never cut a grape, he's got about 8,000 words now, if you might guess, maybe 6,000, 6,000 to 7,000, it depends on, you know, by the time he gets through with the supplemental notes and all the rest, all that, and it's an enormous job of cutting, which I, of course, will have to do, but I shouldn't have to take it in that form.

I mean, I've gotten great and have voiced a little better discipline in terms of what they say.

So I'm going to do odds and ends today, because he wasn't given any conditions.

Maybe a few could be of some assistance.

Sure, sure.

For example, I suppose I can see why they wouldn't.

five minutes in there on agriculture, and I don't know why, but you've got to talk to the Congress.

But I think if we are going to go this road of the big long opus, I just don't believe that we need to put an extended discussion, and the same with the elderly.

There's a long discussion with regard to the elderly, a long discussion with regard to the farmers, you know what I mean?

I don't.

There must be a way to handle it.

At least that's what I had in mind without going into

Laundry license.

I don't, at the end of, I don't think you'd have to have a laundry desk.

How about, how about doing this?

I was going to say, I prefer, I, I, I, there's the problem farmers.

There's the problem farmers.

But I've all included this in that.

They'll all be mad about it.

I don't know.

Well, it's better than not mentioning him at all.

Yeah, I know.

That's what he has in mind.

That's the problem we've had before.

Sure.

Oh, I know.

He didn't mention the farmers.

He didn't mention Latin America.

I know why he didn't understand.

With a two, there's no reason why we should spend five minutes on any one of these.

We can load all that detail into the long one.

Well, I don't think the five minutes is spoiled on 13.

Well, it seems to me... You can hardly open your mouth on farmers without talking five minutes.

It could be done in a key paragraph, so...

I'll take a look.

Well, let's wait and see what his next draft turns out to be.

Because I still have a hell of a job at getting them all together.

Do you have any feeling on this value added?

Do you want to talk to Connolly before you decide about this advisory commission?

Or do you want to just go ahead on it?

I think I should talk.

But you had raised it with him.

Yes, we talked about it on the airplane coming back.

And that was before I had...

I had talked to the vice president on the telephone.

I have a draft letter from him.

And...

Which he recommends.

Your recommendation is to have to go that way.

Yes, sir.

I'd love to see you meet briefly with McElroy and say we're not going to upstate you.

but we'd like to know how you're getting along.

And that meeting could be you doing a drop-by with McElroy and with the Vice President, Elliot, and Connolly really meeting with him for the first time.

Then have the same group, oh, you're going to have a whole committee.

No, no, just McElroy or Walton, possibly the Catholic.

Then have a state-managed, a full-blown presentation to the ACIR.

which you may not even want to attend.

You shouldn't have to attend.

Agnew, Connolly, Richardson, attend that.

And have some press present and really lay the thing on.

No, I do it before, if possible.

Well, that's fine.

I don't say anything for you.

I have a...

which I can't even read, but I have another speech to read, and I've got to get somebody to work at the stadium, and I'm working on another one that has to do with Vietnam.

And I've got to get it both once in the 18th and the 20th.

I just can't spend the time.

The only reason I suggest that they go to the ACIR before the stadium is so that you're in a position in your speech to the Congress to say, I have referred this in the past tense.

out.

If it doesn't work out time-wise, we could say, I'm going to refer.

But I think it's better to have it at that conference.

The President is essential.

No, not at all.

Better not to have it out there.

No.

Because then you're making it his.

I would rather it becomes too much of it.

He'll thank the Vice President.

No, but he's our contact with it.

The executive branch is Finch, Romney, and Schultz.

The VP is still invited.

Oh, sure.

Oh, Lugar is on there, too.

Yeah, he really is.

So, I would think that would be a reasonable game plan.

And then this thing would just float for two or three months in the

But it's yours.

You've done constructive thinking.

You've had the executive branch working on this.

You keep more publicity going on it by having it float than you can by launching it and then trying to promote it.

And it's a little different style.

It's a little different than the way you've ordinarily done it.

The press is pretty intrigued with the technique already.

Okay.

Well, I hit him cold on the plane.

We talked maybe five, maybe ten minutes about it, and at the end he said, well, he thought well of the idea, but...

He was hit in the head cold.

He may have been smashed to the top of the mountain.

I'm sure there's a lot of time on the television right now.

Twitter has come up with an idea to do a film of our environmental policy to be handed to the networks on the day that we send our special message on the environment as a way of trying to get a little better

He'd like to have you take a very brief introduction or cameo in it somewhere.

Sure.

And I've asked him for more details.

He'll have a scheduled proposal in.

Good.

But he's going to try and do the replay of the networks on this thing.

He needs to get some.

Yeah.

Because of the consulates.

No.

The other way, you know, I saw his memorandum of regard to the...

The difficulty with it is that, you know, like everything else, is that he said, I want to do two environmental events every month.

I just can't quite work that many in.

On the other hand, on the other hand, in Texas, what might be a good idea after the Peking trip would be to do something that is very concentrated.

I mean, take, say, a two-day trip where it's only the environment and then get a real, real bang on it, you see, and then leave it and then come back to it again maybe two months or three months later.

Wouldn't that make more sense?

Well, and then...

It just dribbles them out of the environment every... No, it's like a Juliet.

You know, all the copies she's gotten on that swamp tour.

Yeah.

That's all money in the bank with the environmentalists.

Yeah.

And she could do that kind of thing now that she's beginning to show some visible interest in it.

And we can program her into this legacy of parks thing and environmental things and so on.

And then if you can join her for a one-day shop after the challenge, well, I was thinking that maybe I'm going to be doing something like that.

Or, you know, he wants to really, I can see his part in the department, and frankly, he's going to make the issues in such a deal in the campaign basis that, so maybe I take it.

Maybe we get a damn good two-day schedule.

Yeah, we're just environment, environment, environment.

Well, let's give Russell training.

Yep.

And all members of his committee, we get a chance to go out and see what it gets like.

Should we?

And I think that kind of thing might get a great amount of play.

I believe in the concentrated boom thing.

And then breaking through the consciousness rather than, you know, as we say, nickel and dime.

Sure, I understand.

And I'm not sure, but then I don't mind doing the other.

If you plan and buy like a first time, I mean, speeches are for the birds.

I guess don't go anymore.

You have to use them.

But when I say don't go, there are others who do more.

But, and appearances, but...

But believe me, if I went out and made a speech before the environment at Congress in Chicago and the one in Minneapolis and so forth, twice a month, it wouldn't mean a goddamn... You know how they are.

You get the morning show, maybe.

The morning news.

You see what I mean, sir?

So I'm really thinking in terms of the old... Well, I don't blame him for it, because it's what the hell else could it be?

You've got to think in terms of how the hell you get on the TV.

Well, we went out to the Grand Teton thing.

Well, Mount Dewey got more going into the swamp than we got out of the whole Grand Teton.

Is that right?

In terms of film and pictures.

He's already had all these things.

He doesn't have a book of mine, sir.

A what?

Well,

Well, I know you agree about that too.

I'd like to keep Julie tied into this on a continual basis because she has a lot of visibility and when you go and do two days and she can be along, then she can fill in the checks for a month after that.

Sir, is he here?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, I'll go over to the person.

Yeah, I think that's pretty neat to get her to do something.

Well, she was the family's first aunt to do something.

Yeah.

First she took her wedding trip, you know.

It was very special.

And a special of Mark's business.

Well, what do you think, uh...

I love it.

If you could sit down and work out something that is really in the ballpark.

You see, there's so many things to do.

There's the environment.

There's a lot of things.

There are other things.

Maybe we want to, like there are many people that want to do something with young people.

Well, we've got to find gimmicks to get into them.

We can do that.

There's one thing for sure this year, and that's Yellowstone.

Because this is the centennial of Yellowstone.

Yes.

Yes, sir.

Get a big flight.

Oh, so I'm sure.

So that would be in the summer.

That would be later.

Between now and then, what, a day and a half or two days of air and water and some of the things.

Sure.

Yeah.

Fletcher hasn't had any cartridge rate.

The D.C. Fund director wouldn't say.

Okay, we'll be back in a minute.

Well, you know, when you think of those, you know, the, uh, have got a, it probably looks like a man-to-man trip to Africa.

It's more than that, you know what I mean?

No question.

Huh?

No question.

First down, first to Paris.

Where's that?

Well, how are you, sir?

That's the big man.

Oh.

Yeah.

We'll see.

Yeah, that's right.

Pretty weird.

Well, we started to lose a big boy here.

Oh, yeah.

He's working.

That's great.

I think you should know that what my wife said, though, and Dr. Cush, and other people, they said the real kid at that library, Dr. A, was the granddaddy.

You know, I said, I passed a call about that.

It was in New York or in Louisiana.

He said, well, did you know that the USIA did not have any funds for that purpose, so we just pushed a little bit of funds.

I said, send them, because they're being presidential candidates.

They were smashed.

I remember that day.

They told me, and they were ticklish.

And I said, well, I said, well, they were ticklish.

And they said, they all.

And then they were, and I said, and this was an interesting thing.

I said, well, I would say that all the Africans were really very proud of them.

And then the cops woke up and said, look, there's all the Americans right now.

That's right.

So we were so glad that you could go.

I was not.

The whole thing, there were two planes that came.

There were two planes that came.

Yeah, that's right.

They were, they were on that, they mentioned to me, to Peter, I don't know, to a government kid that tells me that they have all those things that stop at the end of time.

He said, are you going to see him do it on the ground and he did it on water?

Ha ha ha ha!

Now we want to, I'm going to present you with a little check.

I did a lot over here.

I want you to get on the other side, right, so like this.

You can carry the check, too.

All right, there you are.

All right.

Well, good luck.

You get out there right in the heart.

He's a super salesman.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you.