{"conversationCode":"645-005","tapeNumber":645,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-645-005","startDateTime":"1972-01-11T17:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-11T17:21:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Jan-1972","startTime":"12:16 PM","endDate":"11-Jan-1972","endTime":"12:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Sanchez, Manolo;","description":"On January 11, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:16 pm to 12:21 pm. 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Agnew\n               -Gift\n          -John B. and Idanell (Brill) (“Nellie”) Connally\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Speechwriting\n               -[Unknown person]\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 29s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     The President's trip to People's Republic of China [PRC]\n          -US Information Agency [USIA] member\n               -Henry A. Kissinger's decision\n               -Henry Loomis, James A. Michener and John M. Shaheen\n               -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Meeting [with Woods, Marjorie P. Acker, Mary A. Fenton], January 10, 1972\n               -Publicity for Administration\n          -Arthur S. Flemming swearing-in\n\nManolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:16 pm.\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Old Executive Office Building [EOB]\n\nThe President, Woods and Sanchez left at 12:21 pm.","filename":["645a.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:24:17","tapeEnd":"01:29:45","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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The discussion addressed staffing concerns regarding the President’s impending trip to the People's Republic of China, specifically focusing on the involvement of USIA personnel and Henry Kissinger's decision-making process. 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