{"conversationCode":"647-013","tapeNumber":647,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-647-013","startDateTime":"1972-01-13T18:02:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-13T18:03:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jan-1972","startTime":"1:02 PM","endDate":"13-Jan-1972","endTime":"1:03 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 647-13\n\nDate: January 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 1:02 pm and 1:03 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     Ascension Academy class\n         -Press interest\n\n          -Presidential gifts\n\nBull left an unknown time before 1:17 pm.","filename":["647a.mp3","647b.mp3","647c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:41:43","tapeEnd":"02:42:58","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"647-012","nextCode":"647-014","tapeTranscriptFile":"647a.mp3,647b.mp3,647c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":9721.38,"end":9722.3,"text":"I think there's still a chance for maybe another reception."},{"start":9722.44,"end":9724.28,"text":"But they probably won't let it go."},{"start":9728.71,"end":9731.85,"text":"Well, I appreciate this."},{"start":9731.87,"end":9732.75,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":9732.83,"end":9734.13,"text":"How's it going?"},{"start":9734.15,"end":9738.56,"text":"My dad's a great success factor."},{"start":9738.62,"end":9740.26,"text":"He did a good job."},{"start":9740.92,"end":9747.41,"text":"I'm working day off and so forth, so I'm going to do great."},{"start":9747.61,"end":9748.75,"text":"I'm going to do great."},{"start":9749.78,"end":9754.01,"text":"you know i think actually that we're doing reasonably well at this point we've got this"},{"start":9762.26,"end":9763.44,"text":"You're a nice Vice President."},{"start":9763.6,"end":9765.5,"text":"I talk to that individual every year."},{"start":9766.22,"end":9768.12,"text":"I, we put Senator in the meeting room."},{"start":9768.58,"end":9772.06,"text":"All we are trying to do is to keep these enemies from growing less and less."},{"start":9772.54,"end":9773.32,"text":"We have to do that."},{"start":9774.04,"end":9778.9,"text":"It's a little bit of a hell of a lot, but we'll allow it to happen."},{"start":9779.94,"end":9783.84,"text":"You've been a President enough that's happened."},{"start":9783.86,"end":9786.6,"text":"We can't let you stay out of the war and finish what you were here."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":9721.375,"end":9787.5,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly discussed administrative logistics regarding a school group from Ascension Academy and the handling of presidential gifts. The conversation touched upon managing press interest in these events and navigating political perceptions of the administration. They concluded by briefly addressing the necessity of managing political adversaries to maintain the administration's momentum.","topics":["Ascension Academy","Presidential gifts","Public relations","Political strategy","Press management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:50:03.147Z"},"topicSlugs":["ascension-academy","presidential-gifts","public-relations","political-strategy","press-management"],"audioDurationSec":75,"audioFiles":[{"file":"647a.mp3","bytes":176535300,"durationSec":7355.58,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"647b.mp3","bytes":176737174,"durationSec":7363.99,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"647c.mp3","bytes":34993213,"durationSec":1457.99,"bitrate":192007,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.663Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/647-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/647/conversation-647-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}