{"conversationCode":"647-016","tapeNumber":647,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-647-016","startDateTime":"1972-01-13T18:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-13T18:24:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jan-1972","startTime":"1:23 PM","endDate":"13-Jan-1972","endTime":"1:24 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:23 pm to 1:24 pm. 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Bull met briefly to review the President's afternoon schedule, specifically focusing on an upcoming meeting of the Neil H. McElroy Commission. They discussed the expected duration of the session and the potential participation of Vice President Spiro T. Agnew. The brief consultation served to address and manage logistics regarding schedule delays for the remainder of the day.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Neil H. McElroy Commission","Spiro T. 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