{"conversationCode":"647-021","tapeNumber":647,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-647-021","startDateTime":"1972-01-13T19:22:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-13T19:34:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:22 PM","endDate":"13-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.; Bull, Stephen B.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; United States Secret Service agents;","description":"On January 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, and United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:22 pm and 2:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 647-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 647-21\n\nDate: January 13, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 2:22 pm and 2:34 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nAlexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler [?] and unknown people [Secret\nService agents] entered.\n\n     [Unintelligible]\n\nThe President entered and Butterfield et al., except Bull, left at 2:26 pm.\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Request for report\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:34 pm.","filename":["647a.mp3","647b.mp3","647c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:01:16","tapeEnd":"04:09:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Butterfield, Alexander P.","Bull, Stephen B.","Ziegler, Ronald L.","United States Secret Service agents"],"prevCode":"647-020","nextCode":"647-022","tapeTranscriptFile":"647a.mp3,647b.mp3,647c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":14543.48,"end":14545.58,"text":"And we'll never get discouraged."},{"start":14545.62,"end":14546.38,"text":"That's the thing."},{"start":14546.42,"end":14548.72,"text":"Keep trying to do your best, right?"},{"start":14548.8,"end":14554.24,"text":"And so, everyone, here's your part of the program."},{"start":14554.26,"end":14555.08,"text":"Keep trying."},{"start":14555.14,"end":14555.52,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14555.56,"end":14555.9,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14555.92,"end":14556.26,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14556.42,"end":14556.82,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14556.84,"end":14557.74,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14557.8,"end":14558.36,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14558.8,"end":14559.54,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14561.6,"end":14564.16,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14566.64,"end":14568.26,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14568.38,"end":14568.74,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":14899.6,"end":14900,"text":"Just by"}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":14542.5,"end":14986,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met briefly with Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Secret Service personnel to offer brief words of encouragement to the group. Following the departure of most participants, Nixon held a short, private discussion with Bull regarding the President's schedule and a request for a specific report. The interaction concluded shortly thereafter with Bull exiting the Oval Office.","topics":["Presidential schedule","White House staff","Internal communications","Administrative management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:50:48.720Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","white-house-staff","internal-communications","administrative-management"],"audioDurationSec":510,"audioFiles":[{"file":"647a.mp3","bytes":176535300,"durationSec":7355.58,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"647b.mp3","bytes":176737174,"durationSec":7363.99,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"647c.mp3","bytes":34993213,"durationSec":1457.99,"bitrate":192007,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.663Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/647c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/647-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/647/conversation-647-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}