Conversation 649-002

TapeTape 649StartMonday, January 17, 1972 at 6:33 PMEndMonday, January 17, 1972 at 11:59 PMTape start time02:49:55Tape end time02:50:42ParticipantsUnited States Secret Service agents;  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOval Office

This recording captures a brief interaction between United States Secret Service agents and unidentified individuals in the Oval Office. The conversation follows the departure of President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman from the room earlier that evening. Due to the limited nature of the recording, no substantive policy or political discussions are recorded.

Secret ServiceWhite House securityOval Office protocol

On January 17, 1972, United States Secret Service agents and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:33 pm and 11:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 649-002 of the White House Tapes.

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       Paris Meeting
             Chilean credit
                   -Weintraub

       International economic situation
             -McNamara meeting
             -US influence
                    -US military power
                    -Effect
             -India
             -State Department
             -World Bank
                    -McNamara
                          -Conversation with Connally, January 14, 1972
                          -Views on Chilean debt renegotiation
                    -Chilean renegotiation
                          -Paris Club
                                -Default
                                      -Maturity date
                                      -Connally’s view
                                           -Sanction
                          -Kissinger
                                -State Department
                          -Flanigan
                                -Kissinger
                                      -Rogers
                 -Weintraub's response
                 -US policy

Cuba
       -US policy
            -State Department
            -Criticism

William B. Camp
      -Reappointment as Comptroller of the Currency
           -Connally's recommendation
           -Malek's view
           -Tenure
           -Support from banks
           -Malek's view

Robert S. Ingersoll
     -Appointment as Ambassador to Japan
     -Borg-Warner Corporation
     -Forthcoming confirmation by Senate
     -Forthcoming meeting with Connally
     -Father, Roy Ingersoll
     -New appointment

Camp's reappointment
    -Connally's memorandum
    -Malek's view
    -Possible partisanship toward Democrats
           -Bank charters
                 -Southern Republicans' views
    -Connally's direction
           -Bank charters
    -Bank charters
           -Wells Fargo
                 -Richard P. Cooley
                 -Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation [FDIC]
    -Appearance
    -Confusion with Wofford B. (“Bill”) Camp
           -California
           -South Carolina
           -Agricultural field
           -Conservatism
    -Bankers
    -Background
           -Lyndon B. Johnson appointment
           -Possible relation with Wofford Camp
                 -Democrat
                 -South Carolina
                 -Cotton business in San Joaquin Valley, California
                 -Conversation with Haldeman in 1968
            -Possible meeting with the President
            -Loyalty
            -Method of operation
                  -Political loan made by unknown bank
                         -Indictment by US attorney
                         -Common practice
                         -Bank examiners
                               -Report to Justice Department
                         -New law

      The President's State of the Union speech draft
           -Status
           -Tone
           -Strategy

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      1972 campaign
           -The President’s stance
                 -Election year
                 -The President’s views compared with John B. Connally's views
           -1971 schedule
                 -Political appearances
                        -Finance dinner
                        -Address to women
                        -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                        -Economic policy
           -1972
                 -The President's previous interview with Dan Rather
                 -The President’s decision
                 -Before Republican National Convention
                    -Continue 1971 role as "President of the People"
                        -Economic policy
                        -People's Republic of China [PRC] and Union of Soviet Socialist
                         Republics [USSR]
                        -Vietnam War
           -The President's standing
                 -Effect of Presidential initiatives
                        -1971 compared with 1972
                        -The public’s approval
                              -Polls
                 -Compared with other presidents at end of term
                 -Effect of Democratic candidates
             -Media
-Patrick J. Buchanan's memo
      -Patrick J. Buchanan’s expertise
      -State of the Union address
      -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
      -American public's desire for action and controversy in a President
             -Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
                    -Trust-busting
             -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
                    -Significance of League of Nations battle
                          -Compared with People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                                -Effect on vote-getting
             -Franklin D. Roosevelt
                    -Presidential role
                    -Stance in 1936 and 1940
             -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                    -Economic battles
                          -Wall Street
             -The President's State of the Union address
                    -Approach
                          -Congress
                    -Compared with Harry S. Truman's State of the Union address
                    -Strategy
-Partisanship
      -The President's campaign stance
             -Try to get Democratic votes
-Compared with 1970 campaign
      -John B. Connally's views
             -The President’s dignity
-The President's stance
      -Relations with Congress
             -Revenue-sharing
             -Government reorganization
             -The President's foreign trips
-Patrick J. Buchanan's memo
      -Presidential controversy and conflict
      -The President’s stance in 1972
             -"The President as President"
             -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
             -Congress
             -Supreme Court
             -Effect on public
                    -Excitement
                          -Partisanship
      -Press
             -Polls
      -The President's previous confrontation with George Meany
      -John B. Connally's view of Presidency
             -Dignity
                    -Compared with Franklin D. Roosevelt
                         -Attacks on Republicans
                         -Vision of America
      -Possible course of action
            -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
            -The President’s role
            -US position
      -Opponents
            -Edmund S. Muskie
            -Hubert H. Humphrey
            -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
            -Strength after convention
                   -Compared with Hubert H. Humphrey in 1968
                         -Trial heats
                                -The President's standing
      -John B. Connally’s view
            -The President’s strategy
            -Partisanship
-The President's conversation with Dwight D. Eisenhower after 1956 election
      -Dwight D. Eisenhower's statements
            -View of Republican Party
            -Dwight D. Eisenhower's recent victory
                   -Adlai E. Stevenson II
                   -Congress
            -Desire for new party
-Possible creation of new unity party
      -The President's reading of Melbourne by David (Lord) Cecil
            -Coalitions of parties in England
-US party system
      -Republicans
      -Democrats
            -Southern states compared with Northern states
      -Independents
            -Party strength
            -Midwest states
            -Northern and Western states
                   -California
      -Democrats
            -South
            -Florida poll
            -Edmund S. Muskie compared to Hubert H. Humphrey
                   -Poll percentages
      -Western states
-Barry M. Goldwater
-The President's stance
      -Need for John B. Connally's advice
      -Raymond K. Price Jr.'s view
            -“Professional President”
                  -Negative effect
            -David S. Broder's articles
            -People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative
            -Economic policy
            -The President’s position in polls
     -Public's view of the President
            -Impatience
            -Need for stability
     -Polls
            -Charles W. Colson's network
     -The President's strength
            -Polls
                   -1971 compared to 1972
     -The President's temperament and image
            -Emotional connection to the public
                   -Compared with Dwight D. Eisenhower
                         -War hero
                         -Performance as a President
                               -John B. Connally’s opinion
            -Public judgment
            -Compared with John F. Kennedy
                   -Public’s perception
                   -Assassination
     -Polls
            -The President’s standing
                   -Third year in office
                   -Unemployment issue
     -Timing of strategy
            -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
            -After Republican and Democratic conventions
                   -Fight with Republican opponents
                   -John N. Ashbrook
                   -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                   -William F. Buckley
            -Issues
                   -Unemployment
                   -Ecology
            -Legislation [?]
     -The President’s past performance and image
     -Media
     -Selection of people
            -Flattery
            -The President’s personality
            -Invitation frequency
            -Accessibility
            -Dinners
                   -Jake [surname unknown] of Dallas, Texas
                         -Recent dealings with Administration
                         -Possible invitation
                   -California Republicans
-Dinners and meetings
     -Groups from various states
           -Forthcoming trip to New York in March-April, 1971
           -New York, California, Texas
           -Individual meetings compared to group meetings
           -Number of people invited
     -Q & A's
           -Advice
The President’s stance
     -Mass appeal
           -Press conferences
                  -Equal time consideration
           -Press relations
           -Adversary position by the President
                  -Public expectation
           -Need for adversary
           -Preparation
           -Ecology
           -Jobs
                  -Social problem
           -Bureaucracy
           -Taxes
                  -Property
                  -Value added
           -Timing of strategy
                  -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
     -The President's image
           -Public response
                  -Love, fear and hate theory
                        -Emotions
     -Professionalism
           -Appeal to the public
     -Timing of strategy
           -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
     -Public respect to the President
           -Love, fear, and hate theory
     -Possible obstacles
           -The President’s response
     -Announcement of the new economic policy on August 15, 1971
           -Public response
           -Public understanding
           -International monetary matters
           -Wage and price controls
     -Need for adversary
           -Spring and summer of 1971
           -Supreme Court
           -Department of State [DOS]
                  -Possible major reorganization
                        -William P. Rogers
                        -Work performance
           -Permissiveness
                  -1970 election
                             -Drugs and films
                             -President’s support for discipline
                       -John B. Connally’s advice
                       -Timing of strategy
                             -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
                       -Non-political opportunity
                             -Pornography
                             -Drugs

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      Drugs
           -As issue
                 -Marijuana
           -Compared with environment issue
                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox
           -Compared with capital punishment
           -Previous work by administration
                 -Public impression
           -Pushers
                 -Incarceration
                        -Demonstrators in Washington, DC
                        -Japanese in World War II
           -Courts
           -Pushers
                 -Arrest
                        -Likelihood of conviction

      Federal court system
           -Judges
                 -School integration
                 -Richmond, Virginia judge [Robert R. Merhige, Jr.]
                        -Appointment by Johnson
                 -Accountability
                        -Need for change
                 -Mandatory reconfirmation
                 -Limited terms
                        -Possible criticism
                 -Accountability
                 -Mandatory retirement
                        -Congressmen
                              -Hugh Scott
                              -Electorate
                        -William O. Douglas
           -Integration

      Integration
            -Democrats' stand
                  -Republican National Convention
                  -Edmund S. Muskie
                  -Hubert H. Humphrey
                  -Edward M. Kennedy
                  -Housing, schools, busing
            -Legislation
                  -John D. Ehrlichman's work
                  -Timing
                        -Republican National Convention

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/26/2022.
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      1972 campaign
           -Space shuttle
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey's stance
                        -Florida primary
                 -Edmund S. Muskie's stance
           -Integration
                 -Richmond, Virginia decision
                        -Hubert H. Humphrey's stance
           -Florida presidential primary poll
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey
                 -Undecided votes
                 -The President
                 -Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Undecided votes
                 -Three-way race
                        -Edmund S. Muskie
                        -George C. Wallace
                        -The President
                              -Lead
                 -Democratic presidential primary
                 -Eugene J. McCarthy and Shirley Chisholm
                        -Sub-parties
                        -The President
                        -Edmund S. Muskie
                        -George C. Wallace
           -Eugene J. McCarthy
                 -Florida primary
                        -Compared with New York

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      The President's stand on issues
           -Drugs
           -Court appointment
                 -Clement F. Haynsworth
                 -G. Harrold Carswell
                 -Public relations
           -Drugs
                 -Pushers
                        -Administration stand
                        -Arrests
                        -Sentencing
                        -The French Connection

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/26/2022.
Segment cleared for release.]
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      1972 campaign
           -The President's stance
                -1971 compared with 1972
                -John B. Connally's view
                -Love, fear and hate theory
                -Issues
                      -The President's previous candidacies
                      -Administration's record
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.'s theory
                      -Public’s reason to be against the President
                              -"Professional President"
                -The President’s image compared with governors and mayors
                      -Public's views of incumbents
                              -1970 midterm elections
                                    -Republican and Democratic governors
                -The President’s success in 1971
                      -Unemployment
                      -Vietnam War
                -The President’s need for support
                      -Methods
                      -Press conferences
                             -John B. Connally’s view
                             -The President's January 2, 1972 interview with Dan Rather
                             -Questions about issues
                             -The President’s knowledge
                             -Negative affect
                             -Emotional connection to the public
                -“Professional President”
           -Public’s emotions
           -Division in US
                 -Demonstrations
           -The President’s calmness
           -Mood of nation
                 -Reasons
                 -Demonstrations
           -Central issue
                 -Foreign or domestic
                 -Integration
                        -Schools
                        -Housing
                              -Forest Hills
                              -St. Louis, Missouri
                        -Schools
                              -Busing
           -Timing of strategy
                 -Confrontation with George Meany at American Federation of Labor-
           Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
                 -Polls
                 -News cycle
                        -Public’s memory
                        -Issues
           -Differences from previous elections
           -Electorate
                 -Volatility
                 -Effect of television
                        -1952
                        -Size of audiences watching television
                              -Impact
                        -Compared with newspapers
                              -Passiveness
                        -Commentators
           -Power of media
                 -As an enemy to the President
           -Use of issues
                 -Washington Post and New York Times
                 -Compared with Franklin D. Roosevelt's battle with Robert J..
                 McCormick and Chicago Tribune
                              -John P. O'Donnell
                 -Federal courts
                        -The President as a lawyer
                        -Public perception
                              -Concern
                        -Integration
                        -Schools
                        -Crime
                              -Connection to the federal courts

Deep sea fishing
            -John B. Connally’s interest
            -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] program The American Sportsman
                  -John B. Connally’s previous appearance
                        -Africa
                  -Previous taping
                        -Marlin catch
                                     -Marlin catch location
                                     -The President’s past visits
                         -Fishing boat Sea Lion and captain
                             -Relation to the President

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      The President’s schedule
           -Forthcoming trip to Florida
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp's island
                 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo, Abplanalp, Connally and George A. Smathers
                 -Connally's itinerary
                        -Speech at National Investment Conference Board [NICB]
                 -Abplanalp's invitation to Connally
                 -Key Biscayne
                        -Helicopter
                 -Lincoln's Birthday weekend
                 -Itinerary
                 -Connally's schedule
                        -Speech to NICB
                        -Alfalfa Club
                        -Fishing

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      The President’s schedule
           -Forthcoming January 20-23, 1972 trip to Florida
           -Fishing
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp's boat
           -Previous visit to Robert H. Abplanalp's island
                 -Dinner
                        -The President’s request
                        -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo’s request
                        -Unnamed man's catch
           -Robert H. Abplanalp's island, Walker's Cay
                 -Beach
                   -Previous taping of American Sportsman

       John B. Connally’s schedule
            -Tanzania trip
                  -Thomas W. Moore
                  -American Broadcasting Program [ABC] sports program director
                  -Bing Crosby
                  -Phil Harris
                  -[Unintelligible names]

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       The President's schedule
            -Florida
                  -Number of invitees
                  -Abplanalp's home
                  -Invitation to Connally
            -Visit with Connally in Texas
                  -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally

       Flannigan
            -Forthcoming conversation with Connally

Connally left at 6:33 pm.

       Request of an unknown person to come in

The President and Haldeman left at 6:33 pm.

                                                                          Conversation No. 649-2

Date: January 17, 1972
Time: Unknown between 6:33 pm and 11:59 pm
Location: Oval Office

Unknown people [Secret Service agents] met.

       Manolo Sanchez

[An unknown man talked with an unknown person at an unknown time.]

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[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and
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[Conversation No. 649-2A]

            -Residence

[End of telephone conversation]

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The conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 11:59 pm.

No transcript is available for this conversation. The audio may not contain audible speech, or the recording may not yet have been processed.