Conversation 649-002

TapeTape 649StartMonday, January 17, 1972 at 6:33 PMEndMonday, January 17, 1972 at 11:59 PMTape start time02:49:55Tape end time02:50:42ParticipantsUnited States Secret Service agents;  [Unknown person(s)]Recording deviceOval Office

On January 17, 1972, United States Secret Service agents and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:33 pm and 11:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 649-002 of the White House Tapes.

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       Paris Meeting
             Chilean credit
                   -Weintraub

       International economic situation
             -McNamara meeting
             -US influence
                    -US military power
                    -Effect
             -India
             -State Department
             -World Bank
                    -McNamara
                          -Conversation with Connally, January 14, 1972
                          -Views on Chilean debt renegotiation
                    -Chilean renegotiation
                          -Paris Club
                                -Default
                                      -Maturity date
                                      -Connally’s view
                                           -Sanction
                          -Kissinger
                                -State Department
                          -Flanigan
                                -Kissinger
                                      -Rogers
                 -Weintraub's response
                 -US policy

Cuba
       -US policy
            -State Department
            -Criticism

William B. Camp
      -Reappointment as Comptroller of the Currency
           -Connally's recommendation
           -Malek's view
           -Tenure
           -Support from banks
           -Malek's view

Robert S. Ingersoll
     -Appointment as Ambassador to Japan
     -Borg-Warner Corporation
     -Forthcoming confirmation by Senate
     -Forthcoming meeting with Connally
     -Father, Roy Ingersoll
     -New appointment

Camp's reappointment
    -Connally's memorandum
    -Malek's view
    -Possible partisanship toward Democrats
           -Bank charters
                 -Southern Republicans' views
    -Connally's direction
           -Bank charters
    -Bank charters
           -Wells Fargo
                 -Richard P. Cooley
                 -Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation [FDIC]
    -Appearance
    -Confusion with Wofford B. (“Bill”) Camp
           -California
           -South Carolina
           -Agricultural field
           -Conservatism
    -Bankers
    -Background
           -Lyndon B. Johnson appointment
           -Possible relation with Wofford Camp
                 -Democrat
                 -South Carolina
                 -Cotton business in San Joaquin Valley, California
                 -Conversation with Haldeman in 1968
            -Possible meeting with the President
            -Loyalty
            -Method of operation
                  -Political loan made by unknown bank
                         -Indictment by US attorney
                         -Common practice
                         -Bank examiners
                               -Report to Justice Department
                         -New law

      The President's State of the Union speech draft
           -Status
           -Tone
           -Strategy

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      1972 campaign
           -The President’s stance
                 -Election year
                 -The President’s views compared with John B. Connally's views
           -1971 schedule
                 -Political appearances
                        -Finance dinner
                        -Address to women
                        -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                        -Economic policy
           -1972
                 -The President's previous interview with Dan Rather
                 -The President’s decision
                 -Before Republican National Convention
                    -Continue 1971 role as "President of the People"
                        -Economic policy
                        -People's Republic of China [PRC] and Union of Soviet Socialist
                         Republics [USSR]
                        -Vietnam War
           -The President's standing
                 -Effect of Presidential initiatives
                        -1971 compared with 1972
                        -The public’s approval
                              -Polls
                 -Compared with other presidents at end of term
                 -Effect of Democratic candidates
             -Media
-Patrick J. Buchanan's memo
      -Patrick J. Buchanan’s expertise
      -State of the Union address
      -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
      -American public's desire for action and controversy in a President
             -Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
                    -Trust-busting
             -[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
                    -Significance of League of Nations battle
                          -Compared with People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                                -Effect on vote-getting
             -Franklin D. Roosevelt
                    -Presidential role
                    -Stance in 1936 and 1940
             -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                    -Economic battles
                          -Wall Street
             -The President's State of the Union address
                    -Approach
                          -Congress
                    -Compared with Harry S. Truman's State of the Union address
                    -Strategy
-Partisanship
      -The President's campaign stance
             -Try to get Democratic votes
-Compared with 1970 campaign
      -John B. Connally's views
             -The President’s dignity
-The President's stance
      -Relations with Congress
             -Revenue-sharing
             -Government reorganization
             -The President's foreign trips
-Patrick J. Buchanan's memo
      -Presidential controversy and conflict
      -The President’s stance in 1972
             -"The President as President"
             -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
             -Congress
             -Supreme Court
             -Effect on public
                    -Excitement
                          -Partisanship
      -Press
             -Polls
      -The President's previous confrontation with George Meany
      -John B. Connally's view of Presidency
             -Dignity
                    -Compared with Franklin D. Roosevelt
                         -Attacks on Republicans
                         -Vision of America
      -Possible course of action
            -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
            -The President’s role
            -US position
      -Opponents
            -Edmund S. Muskie
            -Hubert H. Humphrey
            -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
            -Strength after convention
                   -Compared with Hubert H. Humphrey in 1968
                         -Trial heats
                                -The President's standing
      -John B. Connally’s view
            -The President’s strategy
            -Partisanship
-The President's conversation with Dwight D. Eisenhower after 1956 election
      -Dwight D. Eisenhower's statements
            -View of Republican Party
            -Dwight D. Eisenhower's recent victory
                   -Adlai E. Stevenson II
                   -Congress
            -Desire for new party
-Possible creation of new unity party
      -The President's reading of Melbourne by David (Lord) Cecil
            -Coalitions of parties in England
-US party system
      -Republicans
      -Democrats
            -Southern states compared with Northern states
      -Independents
            -Party strength
            -Midwest states
            -Northern and Western states
                   -California
      -Democrats
            -South
            -Florida poll
            -Edmund S. Muskie compared to Hubert H. Humphrey
                   -Poll percentages
      -Western states
-Barry M. Goldwater
-The President's stance
      -Need for John B. Connally's advice
      -Raymond K. Price Jr.'s view
            -“Professional President”
                  -Negative effect
            -David S. Broder's articles
            -People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative
            -Economic policy
            -The President’s position in polls
     -Public's view of the President
            -Impatience
            -Need for stability
     -Polls
            -Charles W. Colson's network
     -The President's strength
            -Polls
                   -1971 compared to 1972
     -The President's temperament and image
            -Emotional connection to the public
                   -Compared with Dwight D. Eisenhower
                         -War hero
                         -Performance as a President
                               -John B. Connally’s opinion
            -Public judgment
            -Compared with John F. Kennedy
                   -Public’s perception
                   -Assassination
     -Polls
            -The President’s standing
                   -Third year in office
                   -Unemployment issue
     -Timing of strategy
            -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
            -After Republican and Democratic conventions
                   -Fight with Republican opponents
                   -John N. Ashbrook
                   -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                   -William F. Buckley
            -Issues
                   -Unemployment
                   -Ecology
            -Legislation [?]
     -The President’s past performance and image
     -Media
     -Selection of people
            -Flattery
            -The President’s personality
            -Invitation frequency
            -Accessibility
            -Dinners
                   -Jake [surname unknown] of Dallas, Texas
                         -Recent dealings with Administration
                         -Possible invitation
                   -California Republicans
-Dinners and meetings
     -Groups from various states
           -Forthcoming trip to New York in March-April, 1971
           -New York, California, Texas
           -Individual meetings compared to group meetings
           -Number of people invited
     -Q & A's
           -Advice
The President’s stance
     -Mass appeal
           -Press conferences
                  -Equal time consideration
           -Press relations
           -Adversary position by the President
                  -Public expectation
           -Need for adversary
           -Preparation
           -Ecology
           -Jobs
                  -Social problem
           -Bureaucracy
           -Taxes
                  -Property
                  -Value added
           -Timing of strategy
                  -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
     -The President's image
           -Public response
                  -Love, fear and hate theory
                        -Emotions
     -Professionalism
           -Appeal to the public
     -Timing of strategy
           -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
     -Public respect to the President
           -Love, fear, and hate theory
     -Possible obstacles
           -The President’s response
     -Announcement of the new economic policy on August 15, 1971
           -Public response
           -Public understanding
           -International monetary matters
           -Wage and price controls
     -Need for adversary
           -Spring and summer of 1971
           -Supreme Court
           -Department of State [DOS]
                  -Possible major reorganization
                        -William P. Rogers
                        -Work performance
           -Permissiveness
                  -1970 election
                             -Drugs and films
                             -President’s support for discipline
                       -John B. Connally’s advice
                       -Timing of strategy
                             -After Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
                       -Non-political opportunity
                             -Pornography
                             -Drugs

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      Drugs
           -As issue
                 -Marijuana
           -Compared with environment issue
                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox
           -Compared with capital punishment
           -Previous work by administration
                 -Public impression
           -Pushers
                 -Incarceration
                        -Demonstrators in Washington, DC
                        -Japanese in World War II
           -Courts
           -Pushers
                 -Arrest
                        -Likelihood of conviction

      Federal court system
           -Judges
                 -School integration
                 -Richmond, Virginia judge [Robert R. Merhige, Jr.]
                        -Appointment by Johnson
                 -Accountability
                        -Need for change
                 -Mandatory reconfirmation
                 -Limited terms
                        -Possible criticism
                 -Accountability
                 -Mandatory retirement
                        -Congressmen
                              -Hugh Scott
                              -Electorate
                        -William O. Douglas
           -Integration

      Integration
            -Democrats' stand
                  -Republican National Convention
                  -Edmund S. Muskie
                  -Hubert H. Humphrey
                  -Edward M. Kennedy
                  -Housing, schools, busing
            -Legislation
                  -John D. Ehrlichman's work
                  -Timing
                        -Republican National Convention

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      1972 campaign
           -Space shuttle
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey's stance
                        -Florida primary
                 -Edmund S. Muskie's stance
           -Integration
                 -Richmond, Virginia decision
                        -Hubert H. Humphrey's stance
           -Florida presidential primary poll
                 -Hubert H. Humphrey
                 -Undecided votes
                 -The President
                 -Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Undecided votes
                 -Three-way race
                        -Edmund S. Muskie
                        -George C. Wallace
                        -The President
                              -Lead
                 -Democratic presidential primary
                 -Eugene J. McCarthy and Shirley Chisholm
                        -Sub-parties
                        -The President
                        -Edmund S. Muskie
                        -George C. Wallace
           -Eugene J. McCarthy
                 -Florida primary
                        -Compared with New York

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      The President's stand on issues
           -Drugs
           -Court appointment
                 -Clement F. Haynsworth
                 -G. Harrold Carswell
                 -Public relations
           -Drugs
                 -Pushers
                        -Administration stand
                        -Arrests
                        -Sentencing
                        -The French Connection

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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/26/2022.
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      1972 campaign
           -The President's stance
                -1971 compared with 1972
                -John B. Connally's view
                -Love, fear and hate theory
                -Issues
                      -The President's previous candidacies
                      -Administration's record
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.'s theory
                      -Public’s reason to be against the President
                              -"Professional President"
                -The President’s image compared with governors and mayors
                      -Public's views of incumbents
                              -1970 midterm elections
                                    -Republican and Democratic governors
                -The President’s success in 1971
                      -Unemployment
                      -Vietnam War
                -The President’s need for support
                      -Methods
                      -Press conferences
                             -John B. Connally’s view
                             -The President's January 2, 1972 interview with Dan Rather
                             -Questions about issues
                             -The President’s knowledge
                             -Negative affect
                             -Emotional connection to the public
                -“Professional President”
           -Public’s emotions
           -Division in US
                 -Demonstrations
           -The President’s calmness
           -Mood of nation
                 -Reasons
                 -Demonstrations
           -Central issue
                 -Foreign or domestic
                 -Integration
                        -Schools
                        -Housing
                              -Forest Hills
                              -St. Louis, Missouri
                        -Schools
                              -Busing
           -Timing of strategy
                 -Confrontation with George Meany at American Federation of Labor-
           Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention
                 -Polls
                 -News cycle
                        -Public’s memory
                        -Issues
           -Differences from previous elections
           -Electorate
                 -Volatility
                 -Effect of television
                        -1952
                        -Size of audiences watching television
                              -Impact
                        -Compared with newspapers
                              -Passiveness
                        -Commentators
           -Power of media
                 -As an enemy to the President
           -Use of issues
                 -Washington Post and New York Times
                 -Compared with Franklin D. Roosevelt's battle with Robert J..
                 McCormick and Chicago Tribune
                              -John P. O'Donnell
                 -Federal courts
                        -The President as a lawyer
                        -Public perception
                              -Concern
                        -Integration
                        -Schools
                        -Crime
                              -Connection to the federal courts

Deep sea fishing
            -John B. Connally’s interest
            -American Broadcasting Company [ABC] program The American Sportsman
                  -John B. Connally’s previous appearance
                        -Africa
                  -Previous taping
                        -Marlin catch
                                     -Marlin catch location
                                     -The President’s past visits
                         -Fishing boat Sea Lion and captain
                             -Relation to the President

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      The President’s schedule
           -Forthcoming trip to Florida
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp's island
                 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo, Abplanalp, Connally and George A. Smathers
                 -Connally's itinerary
                        -Speech at National Investment Conference Board [NICB]
                 -Abplanalp's invitation to Connally
                 -Key Biscayne
                        -Helicopter
                 -Lincoln's Birthday weekend
                 -Itinerary
                 -Connally's schedule
                        -Speech to NICB
                        -Alfalfa Club
                        -Fishing

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      The President’s schedule
           -Forthcoming January 20-23, 1972 trip to Florida
           -Fishing
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp's boat
           -Previous visit to Robert H. Abplanalp's island
                 -Dinner
                        -The President’s request
                        -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo’s request
                        -Unnamed man's catch
           -Robert H. Abplanalp's island, Walker's Cay
                 -Beach
                   -Previous taping of American Sportsman

       John B. Connally’s schedule
            -Tanzania trip
                  -Thomas W. Moore
                  -American Broadcasting Program [ABC] sports program director
                  -Bing Crosby
                  -Phil Harris
                  -[Unintelligible names]

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       The President's schedule
            -Florida
                  -Number of invitees
                  -Abplanalp's home
                  -Invitation to Connally
            -Visit with Connally in Texas
                  -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally

       Flannigan
            -Forthcoming conversation with Connally

Connally left at 6:33 pm.

       Request of an unknown person to come in

The President and Haldeman left at 6:33 pm.

                                                                          Conversation No. 649-2

Date: January 17, 1972
Time: Unknown between 6:33 pm and 11:59 pm
Location: Oval Office

Unknown people [Secret Service agents] met.

       Manolo Sanchez

[An unknown man talked with an unknown person at an unknown time.]

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[Conversation No. 649-2A]

            -Residence

[End of telephone conversation]

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The conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 11:59 pm.

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