{"conversationCode":"651-002","tapeNumber":651,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-651-002","startDateTime":"1972-01-19T14:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-19T15:05:00.000Z","startDate":"19-Jan-1972","startTime":"9:32 AM","endDate":"19-Jan-1972","endTime":"10:05 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 19, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:32 am and 10:05 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 651-002 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 651-2\n\nDate: January 19, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 9:32 am and 10:05 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     William P. Rogers\n          -Delivery\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Rehearsal of State of the Union Address\n                -Roosevelt Room\n                      -Lighting\n                           -Television\n                      -Podium\n                           -Papers\n          -Barber\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 10:05 am.","filename":["651-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:02:11","tapeEnd":"00:14:54","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"651-001","nextCode":"651-003","transcript":[{"start":1.63,"end":5.94,"text":"See, I'd like to get those, uh, no, I'd like to get those, uh, those two rocks."},{"start":6.04,"end":7.92,"text":"I don't want them."},{"start":7.96,"end":10.4,"text":"I don't want to see them."},{"start":10.72,"end":14.09,"text":"I don't want to see them again."},{"start":15.01,"end":20.15,"text":"You see, I don't want them."},{"start":21.97,"end":27,"text":"They don't have to put them up over there in the other place where they have to be able to test the colors."},{"start":27.86,"end":30.86,"text":"But I want to see how they will turn the lights on."},{"start":36.33,"end":37.57,"text":"You're referring, of course, to the stand."},{"start":37.59,"end":38.31,"text":"The new one."},{"start":38.33,"end":38.93,"text":"The new one."},{"start":38.99,"end":39.45,"text":"The new one."},{"start":39.48,"end":40.34,"text":"I had tried it once."},{"start":40.44,"end":45.46,"text":"I didn't take it seriously well, but I want to try it once more."},{"start":45.88,"end":47.18,"text":"I'll probably use the stand."},{"start":47.7,"end":51.73,"text":"I'm going to just hold it up with the lights on so I can see how they are."},{"start":51.93,"end":52.97,"text":"Is there anything you can tell me?"},{"start":53.01,"end":53.73,"text":"Something I'm wrong."},{"start":64.2,"end":67.21,"text":"Take a look at both of those things."},{"start":67.29,"end":67.49,"text":"Come on."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and aide Stephen B. Bull coordinate the technical logistics for an upcoming rehearsal of the State of the Union Address. The President instructs Bull to arrange a test of the new podium and lighting setups in the Roosevelt Room to ensure proper television presentation. Additionally, the pair discusses the delivery of materials from Secretary of State William P. Rogers and routine adjustments to the President's daily schedule.","topics":["State of the Union Address","Logistics","Television Production","William P. Rogers","Oval Office Operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:53:10.546Z"},"topicSlugs":["state-of-the-union-address","logistics","television-production","william-p-rogers","oval-office-operations"],"audioDurationSec":69,"audioFiles":[{"file":"651-002.mp3","bytes":2755183,"durationSec":68.73,"bitrate":320702,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.664Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/651-002.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/651-002","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/651/conversation-651-002","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}