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Start Date: 20-Jan-1972 6:08 PM

End Date: 20-Jan-1972 6:36 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)[Unknown person(s)]Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:59:58

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:25:19

652a.mp3

652b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 6:08 pm and 6:36 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 652-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 652-17

Date: January 20, 1972
Time: Unknown after 6:08 pm until 6:36 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with an unknown man.

       Briefcases
             -Airplane
             -Materials
                   -Alexander P. Butterfield

Henry A. Kissinger entered and the unknown man left at 6:12 pm.

       Forthcoming Cabinet dinner

       State of the Union Address
             -Success

       The President’s schedule
            -Terence Cardinal Cooke

       Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
            -Call to Kissinger

       The President’s schedule
                                      35

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. 10/06)



     -Gen. William C. Westmoreland

Dobrynin
     -Call to Kissinger
            -India-Pakistan relations
     -Dinner with Kissinger, January 21, 1972
     -Outlook

Vietnam
     -Message from Gen. Creighton W. Abrams
     -North Vietnamese offensive
          -Reserve units
          -US bombing of logistic build-up
          -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Dobrynin
          -Possible effect on the President’s People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
          -Possible US bombing
                 -Location
                 -Timing
                       -The President’s peace plan speech, January 25, 1972
                             -Possible North Vietnamese response
                       -Buildup
                       -US bombing
                       -Abrams’s plan
          -Settlement
          -II Corps
                 -Demilitarized zone [DMZ]
          -I Corps
          -US air power
          -DMZ
          -Dobrynin
                 -Forthcoming dinner with Kissinger

India-Pakistan War
      -Dobrynin
            -Conversation with Kissinger, January 20, 1972
                  -Tone
            -Schedule
      -Vasily V. Kuznetsov
      -December 10, 1971 telegram from Soviet ambassador to India, Nikolai M. Pegov
            -Kashmir
      -Kuznetsov
                                     36

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                             Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


     -The President’s December 9, 1971 meeting with Soviet Agriculture Minister
        [Vladimir Matskevich]

Vietnam
     -North Vietnamese offensive
          -Dobrynin
                -Forthcoming dinner with Kissinger
          -Peace plan speech
          -Dobrynin
                -Possible message about negotiations
          -Build-up
                -Abrams’s report
                       -Build-up
                             -Reserve units
                -Hanoi
                -Location
                       -Ho Chi Minh trail
                       -DMZ
                             -Road
                                   -Bombing
                                   -Building
          -Possible attack schedule
                -II Corps
                       -February 1972
                -I Corps
                       -March 1972
                -Completion
                       -May 1972
          -The President’s trips to Soviet Union and PRC
                -Soviets
                       -Middle East negotiations
                       -Trade
                       -1972 election
          -Abrams’s recommendation
                -Soviet Union
                -PRC
                -Timing
                       -Peace plan speech
                -Peace plan speech
                       -Notes to PRC and Soviet Union
                             -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters
                                      37

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


                             -Dobrynin
                             -Timing
          -Previous US air strike
          -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Dobrynin
                 -The President’s previous and forthcoming actions
          -South Vietnamese army
                 -Change of commanders
                 -I Corps
                       -Tanks
                       -Publicity
                             -US troops
     -Peace plan speech
          -Rogers’s suggestions
                 -William L. Safire
          -Kissinger’s review
          -The President’s schedule
                 -Florida
                       -Copy to Butterfield
                             -Briefcase
          -The President’s review
          -Kissinger’s suggestions
                 -Complexity of certain passages
                       -Explanation of proposal
                             -Agreement in principle and substance
                             -Remaining US troops
          -Rogers’s suggestions
                 -Principle
                 -Rhetoric
          -Kissinger’s schedule
                 -Rogers

State of the Union Address
      -Final passages
             -Raymond K. Price, Jr.’s work
             -Compared to speeches of the Kennedys
                   -Press treatment
      -Tone
      -Foreign policy sections
             -Bi-partisanship
      -Defense program section
             -Dobrynin’s reaction
                                       38

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


                -Conversation with Kissinger
     -Arms limitation
          -Soviets
                -Dobrynin’s reaction

India-Pakistan War
      -US actions
            -Soviet response
                  -Cultural Minister [Ekaterina A. Furtseva]
                        -Relations with Kissinger
                  -Dobrynin
                        -Schedule
                              -Kissinger
                  -Kissinger’s talk with White House staff, January 20, 1972

Soviet summit
     -Dobrynin
     -Possible US proposals
           -Kissinger’s meeting with Soviet Trade Minister
                 -Maurice H. Stans
                 -Possible effect of Soviet propaganda
                 -Dobrynin
                       -Return to US

Vietnam
     -Kissinger’s possible conversation with Dobrynin
           -Soviet trade
     -North Vietnamese offensive
           -US air force
           -US withdrawal
                 -Effect
           -Possible settlement
                 -Timing

Foreign policy
      -Goals

State of the Union address
      -Foreign policy section
             -US commitments
             -US interests
                                        39

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


                  -Bolivia
                  -Intervention
                        -“Peaceniks” view

Vietnam
     -North Vietnamese offensive
          -US Air Force
          -South Vietnamese
          -Strength
                -North Vietnam
                      -Laos, Cambodia
          -US bombing
                -Strategy
                      -Duration
                -Results
                -Timing
                      -Peace plan proposal
                           -North Vietnamese response
          -Peace plan speech

Vietnam peace plan speech
     -Readiness of draft
          -Florida
                -Kissinger and Safire
          -The President’s further work

The President’s schedule
     -Vietnam peace plan speech
           -Preparation
           -Briefing
                  -Timing
                        -Legislative leaders
                  -The President’s role vis-à-vis Kissinger’s
     -State of the Union Address
           -Length
                  -Compared to previous ones
           -Cooke’s comment to the President
                  -The President’s appearance
           -Joan Braden’s comment
                  -Lunch with Kissinger
                  -Previous meetings with the President
                                             40

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


           -Peace plan speech
                -The President’s review
                -Thieu
                       -The President’s instructions to Safire

      North Vietnam
           -Recognition by Norway and Denmark
                 -Possible return of US ambassadors
                 -Fact finding mission

      [Funeral of King Frederick IX of Denmark ?]
           -US representatives

      International monetary matters
            -Connally
            -Chilean loan
                  -Connally’s previous meeting with the President
                  -Connally’s knowledge


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                       -Cabinet
                       -Possible military action

      Vietnam
           -Connally’s view
           -Dobrynin
                                               41

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 652-17 (cont.)


                   -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation, January 21, 1972
                   -Recent talk with Kissinger
                         -Tone

The President and Kissinger left at 6:36 pm.