{"conversationCode":"653-005","tapeNumber":653,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-653-005","startDateTime":"1972-01-24T13:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-24T15:04:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jan-1972","startTime":"8:58 AM","endDate":"24-Jan-1972","endTime":"10:04 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On January 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:58 am and 10:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 653-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 653-5\n\nDate: January 24, 1972\nTime: Unknown after 8:58 am until 10:04 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with an unknown woman.\n\n       Budget message\n            -Instructions\n                  -Copying and editing\n            -Rough draft\n\nThe unknown woman left at 10:04 am.","filename":["653-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:30:46","tapeEnd":"00:32:07","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"653-004","nextCode":"653-006","transcript":[{"start":12.82,"end":14.05,"text":"Start talking here."},{"start":51.31,"end":51.53,"text":"There."},{"start":51.55,"end":52.7,"text":"So, you see what you do?"},{"start":52.72,"end":53.3,"text":"You start there."},{"start":53.32,"end":53.72,"text":"You do that."},{"start":53.74,"end":59.48,"text":"Copy that."},{"start":59.54,"end":62.73,"text":"You insert that there."},{"start":62.75,"end":63.89,"text":"And you copy this."},{"start":64.47,"end":65.95,"text":"And you get to here at the bottom."},{"start":65.97,"end":67.15,"text":"You put an edge of this."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with an unknown female staff member to provide specific administrative instructions regarding the preparation of his budget message. He guided the individual through the process of editing and compiling the document by inserting, copying, and arranging various text segments. The meeting concluded once the instructions for finalizing the rough draft were clearly established.","topics":["Budget message","Administrative procedures","White House staff","Document preparation"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:56:21.736Z"},"topicSlugs":["budget-message","administrative-procedures","white-house-staff","document-preparation"],"audioDurationSec":81,"audioFiles":[{"file":"653-005.mp3","bytes":814892,"durationSec":81.06,"bitrate":80419,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.664Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/653-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/653-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/653/conversation-653-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}