{"conversationCode":"653-009","tapeNumber":653,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-653-009","startDateTime":"1972-01-24T16:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-24T16:55:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jan-1972","startTime":"11:53 AM","endDate":"24-Jan-1972","endTime":"11:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:53 am to 11:55 am. 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Connally\n                         -Presidential statement\n                         -Public’s views\n                               -Spending\n\f       Presidential plane\n             -Landing at Washington National Airport\n                   -Press\n                          -The President’s conversation with unknown person in hangar\n\n       Press\n               -Trip to Florida\n                     -Dock strike\n\nZiegler left at 11:55 am.","filename":["653-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:08:40","tapeEnd":"02:10:49","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"653-008","nextCode":"653-010","transcript":[{"start":4.04,"end":4.52,"text":"Oh, sir."},{"start":4.54,"end":4.74,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":5.48,"end":6.82,"text":"How about the United Nations?"},{"start":6.84,"end":7.74,"text":"We're all for it."},{"start":7.8,"end":9.46,"text":"He's a nice father."},{"start":10.12,"end":13.66,"text":"Did George get his little state?"},{"start":13.74,"end":14.26,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":14.3,"end":17.15,"text":"George worked for his son on the bench."},{"start":17.21,"end":17.55,"text":"All right."},{"start":23.21,"end":23.89,"text":"All right."},{"start":34.48,"end":39.77,"text":"He was just, he was up today, you know, he was slowing down."},{"start":39.79,"end":40.89,"text":"It's enthusiasm."},{"start":40.91,"end":46.31,"text":"The question is that, I don't know what I heard up there, but the hell, most people, it's all this kind of shit."},{"start":46.33,"end":48.81,"text":"You know, it's not fun."},{"start":48.83,"end":53.92,"text":"It's all, I don't know."},{"start":54.04,"end":56.18,"text":"But, most people want to see the work of Dan, I guess."},{"start":58.03,"end":63.55,"text":"Okay, I'm very excited to see how much they know that plan that actually went out."},{"start":63.57,"end":63.83,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":63.85,"end":67.21,"text":"I noticed that the President was there."},{"start":67.29,"end":68.53,"text":"That doesn't matter."},{"start":68.67,"end":76.16,"text":"Then I realized, well, they probably haven't been informed that we're going to get that."},{"start":76.22,"end":76.96,"text":"Oh, we're told."},{"start":77.12,"end":81.58,"text":"But they always know when the President's playing."},{"start":81.62,"end":81.82,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":81.84,"end":85.4,"text":"The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,"},{"start":87.28,"end":88.68,"text":"Did they have their dormitories?"},{"start":89.16,"end":91.22,"text":"Oh, yes, they had their dormitories."},{"start":91.25,"end":93.23,"text":"They always did."},{"start":93.91,"end":94.31,"text":"Doctor?"},{"start":94.35,"end":94.43,"text":"Sure."},{"start":96.53,"end":96.91,"text":"They always did."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met to finalize briefing points regarding an upcoming meeting with United Nations Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim. The discussion focused on establishing a clear public stance on U.S. support for the UN, while also addressing concerns regarding the organization's budget and the need to manage public perceptions of government spending. Additionally, the pair coordinated logistics for the President's travel, specifically addressing media presence during plane arrivals and an upcoming trip to Florida involving dock strike issues.","topics":["Kurt Waldheim","United Nations","Press relations","Federal spending","Logistics","Dock strike"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:56:44.619Z"},"topicSlugs":["kurt-waldheim","united-nations","press-relations","federal-spending","logistics","dock-strike"],"audioDurationSec":103,"audioFiles":[{"file":"653-009.mp3","bytes":1037932,"durationSec":103.37,"bitrate":80325,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.664Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/653-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/653-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/653/conversation-653-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}