{"conversationCode":"653-010","tapeNumber":653,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-653-010","startDateTime":"1972-01-24T16:55:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-24T16:59:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jan-1972","startTime":"11:55 AM","endDate":"24-Jan-1972","endTime":"11:59 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 24, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:55 am and 11:59 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 653-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 653-10\n\nDate: January 24, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 11:55 am and 11:59 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       The President’s schedule\n            -Frank L. Rizzo\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 11:59 am.","filename":["653a.mp3","653b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:10:49","tapeEnd":"02:11:24","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"653-009","nextCode":"653-011","tapeTranscriptFile":"653a.mp3,653b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":7864.32,"end":7875.99,"text":"The question is, I don't want to air it, but what the hell, most people, it's all this kind of shit."},{"start":7876.09,"end":7883.97,"text":"It's not the money, it's all the money."},{"start":7883.99,"end":7885.9,"text":"Most people, it's all the money."},{"start":7887.84,"end":7889.84,"text":"I'm curious how much they know of that landing at the National West."},{"start":7889.85,"end":7890.08,"text":"Oh sure."},{"start":7890.1,"end":7893.44,"text":"I noticed that the President was there."},{"start":7893.52,"end":7895.08,"text":"That doesn't matter."},{"start":7895.76,"end":7900.64,"text":"Then I realized, well they probably haven't been informed of the landing yet."},{"start":7900.8,"end":7904.72,"text":"But they always know when the President's plane lands."},{"start":7904.78,"end":7905,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":7905.08,"end":7907.92,"text":"The administration didn't even draw up the presidential paragraph."},{"start":7908.08,"end":7915.24,"text":"It's all cautionary that it doesn't matter, except we're all going to get into it at some point."},{"start":7917.03,"end":7921.08,"text":"Did they have a good time in Florida this time?"},{"start":7921.12,"end":7924.26,"text":"Oh, yes, they had a good time."},{"start":7926.26,"end":7926.66,"text":"They always did."},{"start":7927.09,"end":7929.99,"text":"Doctor?"},{"start":7930.05,"end":7931.15,"text":"Sure."},{"start":7931.19,"end":7931.73,"text":"They always did."},{"start":7932.17,"end":7932.71,"text":"Okay, uh..."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":7852.5,"end":7938.625,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull briefly met to review the President’s upcoming schedule, specifically focusing on a meeting with Frank L. Rizzo. The participants also engaged in casual conversation regarding presidential travel logistics, concerns about public awareness of landing details, and reflections on past trips to Florida. No major policy decisions were reached during this short administrative check-in.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Frank L. Rizzo","Air travel logistics","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T01:56:50.048Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","frank-l-rizzo","air-travel-logistics","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":35,"audioFiles":[{"file":"653a.mp3","bytes":176352861,"durationSec":7347.97,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"653b.mp3","bytes":81693883,"durationSec":3403.84,"bitrate":192003,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.664Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/653a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/653b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/653-010","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/653/conversation-653-010","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}