Nixon, Kissinger & Belcher on Vietnam War and Agricultural Policy

0:33They said that these boys were going to be impressed.
0:37Well, one of them wrote a good story.
0:40Hope the other wrote a good story as well.
0:44or the power of speech or something like that.
0:56But anyway, the Hanoi reaction is... Oh, it's pretty predictable.
1:00We said this yesterday.
1:08They haven't really absolutely turned it down.
1:10They said we've broken, we've breached
1:13Promise to them by publishing it.
1:18Well, I don't know what else they can ask for.
1:25I think we should just pull ahead and say we want to negotiate.
1:29Do to them what they did to us with the seven points.
1:34I have no doubt that they turned it down.
1:38Well, the argument, though, that they will make that we've reached an armistice and so forth, I don't understand.
1:48They will say... Oh, that I've answered already this morning.
1:53Did you?
1:54Yeah.
1:54I said that they were using a secret talk, despite the American people accusing them of saying that our public and private positions were totally inconsistent with each other.
2:03They weren't answering us in the private channels.
2:08I'll tell you, I think they must have shot him somewhere.
2:11Well, they have lost it.
2:12They're just confused right now.
2:16Are they?
2:16Yes, they are.
2:16Oh, we'll get it.
2:17But we expected this, Mr. President.
2:19Well, I know we did.
2:19I know.
2:20I'm just thinking about taking the offensive, you know, and, boy, just hit it hard.
2:28I just let Porter keep it in it.
2:32Porter is prepared on hitting it very hard on tomorrow.
2:35Oh, yeah.
2:35He's just going to hang in there.
2:47Well, it's going to go like the ceasefire.
2:49I mean, there's no question.
2:51We've never had any doubt about that.
2:53Like, of course, like the ceasefire in 1978.
2:57We knew it would go that way.
2:58Yeah, but this time we ought to stay on the offensive.
3:02This time we should just scream, these guys want an all-out American surrender.
3:06They want to surrender to the Hong Kong government and serve Vietnam.
3:11And even that we are willing to let happen, but we are not going to put it in.
3:15People in South Vietnam have got to make that determination.
3:21That's right.
3:21But I think, Mr. President, I don't know, maybe that has been a tremendous plus.
3:23I think so too.
3:24And we just have to keep it that way.
3:30I think what you have used in making this to give the orders to the boys tomorrow is not a whack-back in Hanoi,
3:41Like I said, attack God damn it, attack Hanoi for their party around.
3:47I'll get a message off also to Porter saying just be sure to be positive and tough.
3:52This is the way to settle it.
3:55So forth and so on.
4:02Now let's talk about this.
4:03Bunker sent him an enthusiastic message.
4:05Did he?
4:06I sent him a message on your behalf thanking him.
4:09I mean in your name.
4:09Yes, of course.
4:11For everything you had done, and he had done, and how we couldn't have done it without you.
4:18Oh, and to the answer.
4:21I think, I'd be interested to see, I think that like a good person could tell you this.
4:27Sure, I know I will turn it down.
4:31Well, then we say, what are our enemies saying?
4:41We have to accept every proposal Hanoi makes.
4:44In other words, surrender.
4:45I think we ought to go on the attack now.
4:49I agree.
4:49Meyer said that we've gone as far as we could go.
4:52That's right.
4:53That's the line.
4:57And we have.
4:57There isn't a hell of a lot more
4:59We literally can't offer much more, if anything.
5:02Listen, we can't offer another goddamn thing.
5:05That's right, that is right.
5:10We're not going to.
5:11That is right.
5:11It'll be interesting to see the polls and the Times tomorrow.
5:18What way they'll find it.
5:20The Times didn't miss out on this morning.
5:21They didn't have an editorial?
5:23Yes, they did.
5:24Did they?
5:24Yes, they did.
5:24What did it say?
5:25Very reasonable.
6:03You're going to be, are you going to be substantive, or are you going to be above sorrow and anger, above...
6:45One thing I want to start with that would be of interest to you.
6:51I know that McGregor told me there's something about a Tulsa hospital.
6:56It's $40 million.
6:56We've been trying to get that until last May.
7:01Well, it means something to get it.
7:04Oh, hell.
7:05It means a lot.
7:06It means a lot.
7:07You know, it's been a long time to get that through.
7:14I think they're meeting McGregor.
7:17I'm going to see what's going on.
7:19I just talked to the clerk out there, and I talked to Tulsa about ten minutes ago.
7:22And I think they're signing the papers now.
7:27But I've got to give them a long time.
7:33Well, they have to.
7:34If they can get the doctors to get them the word on high right now, I'll have them call Tulsa and tell them.
7:40Well, he's already come to us.
7:41The clerk has already...
7:46Yeah.
7:46Have you called Tulsa yet and told them that they're to go ahead on that thing?
7:54You haven't called yet, but you can.
7:57All right, well, I'm sitting here with Paige, and you called Tulsa and said the president was meeting with Congressman Belcher, and we've made the decision.
8:08They're to go ahead, they're to sign the papers, okay?
8:11Fine.
8:13You know, Barry Higgins died in there.
8:18Yeah, I know that.
8:19That's the best thing you've ever done.
8:22Well, she's a wonderful girl.
8:25She was a supporter of you.
8:27You know, when the Democrats came in after you lost the government election in California in 1962, the next morning, the next morning, the Democrats came in, you know, and said, why don't you throw that damn picture out in the window?
8:42He said he'd be present some day.
8:45He'd be present some day.
8:46And oh my God, he told the press like that.
8:49He cussed out the press, and he told the press, and he went right again.
8:52He'd be present some day.
8:54I'll just keep that picture up there.
8:58I told Pat that, and she said, probably the only person in the whole world that would say that that morning at that o'clock.
9:05I wouldn't have said it.
9:06I wouldn't have said it.
9:07But you know,
9:09She was interested in science.
9:13What was she?
9:14She was trying to ask for science.
9:16She said, I know I'll be president someday.
9:20I know I'll be president someday.
9:22Just don't worry about that.
9:24Ah, I see.
9:26Now the next morning, after that, she said, he's my boy, I can give him the president someday.
9:33And every time they'd see that picture behind their desk, you know, a lot of people would just say, well, sure.
9:41He said it.
9:41Yeah, he said it.
9:44And she'd always come to her finger.
9:47He'll be pregnant some day.
9:51He'll be pregnant some day.
9:53Yeah.
9:53I said, hellfire, he won't run again.
9:55He won't run again.
9:58I said, she said, he'll run and he'll win.
10:02When did she get the damn cancer?
10:06Oh, about 15 months before she died.
10:08My God, it was horrible when she died.
10:12She went away about 150.
10:16And she went down to the 70.
10:18She just looked terrible.
10:24When I talked to her, the Christian scientists have a wonderful philosophy.
10:29She was just wonderful.
10:32You know, after you stopped talking to her,
10:37The nurse came in and she was crying.
10:40She said, Mary, why are you crying?
10:42She said, I just talked to the president.
10:45She said, why are you crying about talking to the president?
10:51Well, she said, he's a great friend of mine.
10:56He called me.
10:58And he said, he's a great friend of mine.
11:01He's been a great friend of mine for the last 18 years.
11:07She was really a crazy girl.
11:09Everybody loved her.
11:11She could do any damn thing and manage it.
11:15She was a top assistant.
11:19I thought she could do it.
11:24She would get contributions and everybody else.
11:29Everybody said that she was the best candidate.
11:32She's a pretty girl, too.
11:36Very attractive.
11:38He didn't flirt with her.
11:40I'm sure of that.
11:41Everybody loved her.
11:44Men and women.
11:46My secretary Rose liked her.
11:49She liked Rose, too.
11:51Of course,
11:53I think they're, I think they're pretty good together.
11:59Yeah.
12:00She wasn't married.
12:03No.
12:07I told her, I told her.
12:09This is Rosie.
12:11That's Mary Higgins now at the White House.
12:16Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:20Well, let me tell you that I want you to know that I'm glad we were able to get together, because speaking of friendship, there's been no better friend than I've had at Page Belcher.
12:32And I know that, and I just thought that we ought to just get the record straight.
12:36And another thing, too, is that I want to have him come in until we finish and have him talk.
12:44But I want you to know that as far as Buss is concerned, that any suggestion of any kind of a deal with Buss and Harden and that sort of thing, I mean, I know you had some concern about that, but...
13:00Absolutely is nothing to it.
13:04Buzz is a high-class man.
13:06He's a fighter.
13:07He's like you.
13:08He's a fighter.
13:09And I think he's on your side on a major issue.
13:13But if he isn't, I want to bring him in here and find out.
13:16I know, because he's got to have you.
13:18I was a supporter of Mr. Katniss all the way through.
13:23You had to support her.
13:26I was supporting him all the way through.
13:28And I sort of, or a bus turns by.
13:34I don't know, one hour after you, the scandal came out.
13:41I sent a telegram to the chairman of the action committee.
13:47I sent seven telegrams, one to Tad, just one hour later.
13:56I went up to the Alamo Country Club.
14:03And I spoke at a hundred dollar dinner up there, the same night that you spoke on the TV.
14:13And they brought a lot of TVs in there, and they listened to that program of yours.
14:19Then I went in to the dinner, and I was the main speaker, the only speaker.
14:25And we just, they all turned down, sort of, down, country club down.
14:33I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
14:38Opa Pat, you know, came through then.
14:40He was the first senator.
14:41He came right through.
14:42He was a man of great character.
14:44You know, even though I support Eisenhower, he knew that.
14:47But by golly, Pat was a man of very great principle.
14:51He said, all members of Congress and senators who many times have refunds for the purposes of their managers and so forth.
15:02There was one thing wrong about that.
15:04They just tried to make them understand it.
15:07But Mike wasn't a...
15:13He got scared of the farmers.
15:19He shouldn't be scared.
15:22People out here are scared of the farmers.
15:25They spent five, half a billion dollars just trusting him.
15:39I can't, I can't, I can't help you.
15:44Who are the fellas that we can, in your opinion?
16:05Well, besides yourself, what other people have we got?
16:10Aiken in the Senate?
16:11Is he okay with me on this sort of thing?
16:13Or, I don't know, is Aiken pretty far out?
16:15No, there's no Senators in the whole damn Senate.
16:20Very good.
16:21Nobody has supported you all the way through.
16:25Nobody.
16:26Jack Tanner was against you the other day.
16:29...today... ...today... ...today... ...today...
16:59The only four votes, I guess, for that reserve bill.
17:05That was a terrible bill.
17:06You'd have to veto it.
17:08If it comes down, if it came down here.
17:11You'd have to do that.
17:13Well, just kill it.
17:14That's the best thing to do.
17:15Because if it comes down here, you just have to veto it.
17:19It would cost a billion dollars to buy it.
17:22It would cost 250 million a year to store it.
17:27My God, you didn't go home with that bar.
17:31My God.
17:32What happened in the house on this day?
17:38Well, I was up in New York, and they went through the house.
17:42Oh.
17:42I got killed.
17:44You didn't come out of the committee?
17:46I didn't come out of the committee.
17:48And then it went to the floor.
17:54And 24 Republicans voted for that, and it came out 12 votes.
18:01And I didn't speak for that vote.
18:05There were still vows up in New York, in the medical center up in New York.
18:10I wasn't in the House at all.
18:17Listen, I put my cards face out on the table.
18:20I remember I told him, I talked to him about this yesterday.
18:25I said, I can't help you.
18:27You won't take my advice at all.
18:30And he said, well, I will.
18:31I said, you didn't ask me about those half a million dollars.
18:38I was just as close as your phone.
18:40He said, well, I was terribly busy.
18:42Where did you get the information?
18:43You didn't get it from me.
18:47Let me ask you about one other fellow that I've asked you on what comes in.
18:57How about Ty Murray?
18:59Well, I think it's important you recommend him.
19:02Oh, yeah.
19:04All right.
19:06What I'm trying to do is to... Who is the fellow that I hate?
19:13He called me twice a week.
19:41You just tell me what you want.
19:43What you want.
19:44Do you want us to call you?
19:46I want to work with him.
19:47I understand.
19:48I want to work with him.
19:53You know what?
19:54I don't need it.
19:56I'm just trying to take care of you.
19:59You know what?
20:00You just want to farm where you can.
20:03I put that damn farm bill through.
20:05It cost three and a half million dollars.
20:10And I sold that to the White House three and a half days off.
20:14They were down about two less than three.
20:21And I said, if you do that, you just cut it all out.
20:29You'll even lose farmers anyway, so why don't you just put it on weather?
20:34And I took 15 hours to sell that white house down here for about three and a half million dollars.
20:41He put it up, half a million dollars just to have it.
20:47And so, I live on with some of that.
20:49You know what?
20:50The people down here are scaring the farmers.
20:54They shouldn't be scaring the farmers.
20:56You don't think so?
20:57No, hell no.
20:59You'll lose five votes in the cities forever.
21:02Won't you get any in the country?
21:05Five of us in this state.
21:09You know, I... You don't have this pride about the farm?
21:14Jack Miller is practically petrified, of course.
21:18Oh, well, hell, you know, he wants to be a senator.
21:21And he's scared.
21:23You know, I don't get scared.
21:27I've represented the rural district 60 years.
21:35I thought it was a different kind of farm because it came up.
21:39I keep on waiting.
21:42You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,
21:57I love him.
21:58I play a lot of golf with him.
22:05He's very good.
22:07I played golf with him years ago.
22:13He's a good golfer, but my God, you know, he can't take care of Jack Miller at all.
22:23I got it.
22:24Well, we should try.
22:25Who is the, who you got over there?
22:27Not a damn thing.
22:30And who are the barters?
22:31Who are your good housemen?
22:32I just like to know who the players are.
22:35Besides yourself, who do we, who can we sort of count on?
22:39I don't mean the whole commission, I just think the guys that...
22:43I think you can go along with Henry Belton.
22:47Well, Henry's a good man.
22:48Henry's a good man.
22:48He goes along with me most of the time.
22:52He told me that.
23:19Thank God, they have spent ten million dollars on farm bills if they could come out.
23:26All right, you have to be sensible.
23:29How about your leadership in the House?
23:32Oh, well, Harry Ford and Les Herons and Myra Cox, the whole leadership in the House is all right.
23:37They're with you.
23:38Oh, they're with me all the way through.
23:40They're with me all the way through.
23:42When Merle Best came up and he said, leave it on the page.
23:45If you can get along with the page, you can get along with us.
23:49Everybody said, well, one thing I'm going to do, it may not be the next...
23:54I had a leadership meeting just two weeks from now, I don't know.
23:59But the next time, we were doing something new, like today, because I wanted to leave, I wanted to talk about my Vietnam offer, peace offer.
24:09I said, well, let's have a wildfire now, and so I invited Barrett.
24:12He'd never been to a leadership meeting before, you know,
24:15I thought you were a better friend than I. I've been down here once in the last three years.
24:29I was down in the island administration every month.
24:37I last in that staff room almost every month.
24:42Almost every month.
24:46I have tried to talk to you for three years.
24:49I couldn't even get through to you.
24:52I couldn't even get through to you.
24:54But I could talk to you.
24:57I talked to him probably 20 times.
25:03I played golf with him.
25:05But, you know, I don't play for you.
25:07Well, I'm going to hurt you.
25:09What I do this summer, if I put it, I'm going to put it.
25:13You should play.
25:14You should play.
25:15This summer, I mean.
25:17This summer, I mean.
25:20You know, I mean, about ten years ago, I said that.
25:23How often do you play?
25:25Oh, probably twice or three weeks.
25:29Twice or three weeks.
25:31To me,
25:32I played in South England.
25:38Oh, hell yes, my God, my blood pressure went up to about 175 over 100.
25:47You know what it is right now?
25:48128 over 70.
25:50That's great.
25:51128 over 70.
25:59Do you think the dog helps?
26:00Well, the doctor said it does.
26:03The doctor said it.
26:05If I had to stop playing golf in the wild, just as quick as that.
26:11What do you play with usually off deck?
26:14I play with a lot of people.
26:16I play with anybody.
26:17Unless they're in front of a police car.
26:22Less errors, please.
26:23Oh, yeah.
26:24Less...
26:26There's a lot of conversations.
26:27A lot of others, man.
26:28A lot of lobbyists.
26:30But we'll have a game by the day.
26:31When I get to it.
26:32But I don't know.
26:34I want to support you.
26:35I'd like to do it for other reasons.
26:38Hang on, yes.
26:39You should do that.
26:40You should do that.
26:42You know, I'm older than you.
26:46I'm not about that.
26:48I would have died ten years ago if I didn't take exercise and take care of myself.
26:54But I appreciate that.
26:57He said, you're in good shape.
27:01You're in good shape.
27:01But he said, I want you to play golf.
27:04I want you to play golf.
27:06So I went down to Florida and played nine days.
27:09I went up to the Air Force Academy.
27:12And I walked 234 holes.
27:16Walked.
27:187,000 feet up.
27:19I know where it is, Jim.
27:21Colorado Springs.
27:25No, no.
27:26The Air Force Academy.
27:28That's 7,000 feet up.
27:31I want to help you, but I can't help you if you don't talk to me.
27:43You've had it for the last 30 years, so I can get through to you.
27:52The thing is, I...
27:59You know, I don't need your support.
28:01No farm bill would help me.
28:03I lost $15,000 majority in Tulsa last year because of the farm bills and jerk bills and everything else.
28:11$15,000 majority.
28:12Well, I'd be a hero down in Tulsa if I killed a farm bill.
28:19And I could kill, talk to Jerry Ford, I could kill every damn farm bill that comes out.
28:28Just like Jack Miller goes along with it.
28:32Mel Young plays politics, and I won't play politics.
28:36I could be a hero down in Tulsa if I killed someone else.
28:43I've wanted to hear something for the last 16 years.
28:48Then when you start to run, then I took care of that all the way through.
29:03I don't know Merle Butts for a long while.
29:10He's a good, smart man.
29:14There are more offenses than Merle Butts in the first week than there was in his heart in the first three years.
29:22Nobody wanted to fire him.
29:27Now you remember what went on under this?
29:30A hundred Republicans wanted Mike to fire him.
29:37Only one congressman, a Republican congressman, wanted him to resign, Bill Shirley.
29:43And he's reading Tracy.
29:48The only one that wanted him to resign, he didn't ask you to fire him, he said resign.
29:55My God, that's never happened before in the last 50 years.
30:00Earl Freeman, many Democrats want him to be fired in the first six months.
30:09You get by the farmers.
30:10I know exactly how to campaign the farmers.
30:14I've been campaigning them for the last 55 years.
30:19I know exactly how to campaign them.
30:2155 years I've been campaigning farmers.
30:25No!
30:25I've been campaigning partners.
30:29I was a campaign manager in Oklahoma.
30:34I was a campaign manager in the 8th district.
30:40And I started campaigning for my father in 1916.
30:46I've been campaigning for him since 1916.
30:51What did your father do?
30:53He was a county assessor.
30:55He was a county assessor.
30:59And I was a judge, and I was a court clerk, and of course I was named in Washington State.
31:08And so I know exactly how to maintain farmers.
31:16But my God, I couldn't sell that to anybody except the farmer.
31:24I couldn't sell it to the investor.
31:26I couldn't sell it to a marketer.
31:31But I sold hard on that.
31:34That's a good farm bill.
31:36That's a good farm bill.
31:38136 Democrats voted for that damn thing.
31:42The Speaker supported it.
31:46Carl Albert and the whole majority of the side supported it.
31:52The majority side supported it.
31:56They all supported it.
31:5786 Republicans voted for that damn thing, and the last time that it came out, 5 voted for it.
32:0781 voted for me.
32:09136, uh, Senator, my father, he said, this is a bad thing you're doing.
32:17How can you put this pressure on the president?
32:22for all one heart.
32:25You introduced it.
32:27I'm going to make it.
32:29Put the pressure on Harden.
32:32I kept him out of a lot of trouble.
32:34We both introduced.
32:36Five parties, they all went through.
32:38Five parties, they all went through.
32:41I got everything in the amendment that the White House wanted.
32:44I got everything in the amendment on the sugar bill that they wanted.
32:48I got everything on the pesticide bill they wanted.
32:51I got outvoted 25 to 6 on pesticides.
32:56And I turned it around and taped it.
33:0125 mistakes in the committee.
33:07And it went through on the floor, 3-1.
33:09Let me say one thing about Hartman that you may not know.
33:14You know why I said that, don't you?
33:26I said to him, Cliff, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said,
33:51He just felt that if he did not move at this point, he might have a very difficult time at a later time.
34:03His age and everything and so forth.
34:04Whether he was right or not was that, but I think you should know that it was his decision, not mine.
34:12He told me that he, I didn't say Cliff, you ought to resign.
34:15You know what I mean?
34:20Somebody sold you a bill of goods.
34:23That was a trade.
34:26You don't want what I want.
34:34That was a dead trade.
34:37Well, a year ago, he said he will have to go.
34:41I said, no, no.
34:43He's a popular secretary.
34:45Then when that corn rush went down.
34:48Yeah, which is a temporary thing.
34:50Hell, that was completely temporary.
34:53It would be good.
34:54They really got scared down here.
34:56They really got scared down here.
34:59And they talked to our boss.
35:02And he could get a job.
35:03And the boss could get him a job on the arena.
35:07You think so?
35:08Hell no!
35:10You think that happened now?
35:12Well, don't you think it happened?
35:15Well, the first time I heard of it was when I heard that you had said it, frankly.
35:20Well, you know, you know, I've been around here a long while.
35:25I have a lot of friends around here, all the way.
35:30I was a friend of ours, and he was a friend of mine.
35:35I can't forget that.
35:38He was a good man.
35:41He didn't talk to me before he was confirmed.
35:47He didn't talk to me at all.
35:51But when he came in, I saw he was a good man.
35:56And he said, I want to work with you.
36:00I said, if you want to work with me, I'll take care of you.
36:05i know exactly how to take care of it and so he worked with me we had 20 there's 27 meetings with the committee and the higher officials in the
36:19In the cargo bag.
36:21Twenty-seven minutes.
36:23Six months.
36:24Oh, I know.
36:26And the thing of it, they got three of them.
36:30They just called their first name.
36:32How long was the number of the tog?
36:36Oh, hell, you know, the tog liked him.
36:40Yes, and he likes tog.
36:42Everybody likes tog.
36:43Oh, yes.
36:43And so, I was there.
36:44Of course, I haven't talked to him.
36:48He had a lot of tog sometimes.
36:50But I could agree with him, because he's honest.
36:54Is he?
36:55Oh, yeah.
36:55He's honest.
36:58He's honest.
36:59I don't know.
37:00I've been with him for 21 years.
37:05I know exactly how he thinks.
37:07Yes, sir.
37:10When we agreed, I don't have this signature.
37:17He goes along with me all the way through.
37:22He said, I'll go, it's all right with me.
37:26And I tell the same thing to my folk.
37:28I said, I'll own this.
37:32We've been together for 21 years.
37:35John was a gripper.
37:36Yes.
37:38We never signed a story or anything else.
37:43We just make agreements.
37:45And he gets nasty sometimes, you know.
37:48He just has to get that through.
37:50And then I cussed him out, and he gets mad for about two hours, and then he called me back, and he said, well, I was mad, and I was mad now, and why don't we sit down and get it together?
38:02And that's all they've done.
38:04Two of you really run a committee, don't you?
38:08I don't tell anybody else.
38:12And I have worked trouble with Republicans more than the Democrats.
38:19Why does it matter?
38:37John Kyle, Bill Shirley, Bill Shirley, hell, they're all crazy.
38:45They're all crazy.
38:47I think he served us a good head in the football games.
38:53No, I think he had a flat head, and then it was the same thing again.
39:00You know, I'm surprised at why I thought he'd be the man.
39:06Oh, no, he's terrible.
39:11What's his trouble?
39:13Oh, I don't know what it is, but he's a liar.
39:20Ha, ha, ha!
39:21Ha, ha, ha!
39:23Ha, ha, ha!
39:24Ha, ha, ha!
39:25Ha, ha, ha!
39:27Ha, ha, ha!
39:28Ha, ha, ha!
39:30Well, it's good.
39:31Let me ask you to do one thing, though, with Miller.
39:35We need you to help him.
39:39Talk to him damn tough.
39:42Let me tell you what happens is, you haven't been here...
39:52God damn it, I talked to Miller.
39:57The trouble is, it's always the case that they make the man sitting here talk to the people of the government.
40:03John Hoover, Miller...
40:06at least people all the time, and I get that in charge of it.
40:10So I'm glad we've had this talk, because I...
40:14I can take care of all of them if you just talk to me.
40:17And you can work on that.
40:19That'll be our deal.
40:20I can just knock those heads off.
40:23But who down here?
40:24Who down here?
40:26One second, please.
40:29One second.
40:29Yes, he's an officer.
40:33But, uh...
40:36I can work with John.
40:40All the way through.
40:44All right.
40:46Well, how do we want to work it out?
40:49What is your...
40:50I think you should...
40:52Between you and me and Whitaker.
40:55All right.
40:58That's your understanding.
40:59I'll take care of you.
41:01You don't have to.
41:03You don't have to.
41:05I'll get John, and I'll say, now look here, John, go down and talk to Paige, and see if we can't get her murdered, and I'll shake her up.
41:22And in the meantime, though, the main thing is that apart from the foreign thing, we want your help and advice on politics.
41:31You know politics.
41:33I know politics all the way through, but I can't do a damn thing for the administration.
41:41I don't... My wife was a secretary in this department.
41:46When he was born, before I met her, she was secretary of Bryce Harlow's father.
41:54My wife was a secretary of Bryce Harlow's father.
42:00I knew Bryce, and of course, he was a really great man.
42:06I think he lied to me.
42:08I think he had to, but he lied to me.
42:11We'll work this out.
42:13I think he'll work this out, you know.
42:15My father said, well, you go along with Peggy's, whether you make it or not, whether you make it.
42:25Now, I've been knocking heads down here for three years.
42:31It didn't do me any help.
42:35I was trying to take care of you.
42:37I was trying to take care of you.
42:40Nothing happened to me that I don't have any.
42:43God, I've hurt you.
42:45Yeah, I've hurt you.
42:47I've hurt you.
42:48I went my own way.
42:50Well, let me say that we'll rectify it.
42:52I just, I got the word, and you know I keep my word.
42:55Yeah, I know you do.
42:57I know you do.
42:57I'll thank you for that.
42:59What do you want us to do?
43:01Why do you want to stay with us when you're in here?
43:05Well, that's why we talk about bells.
43:10I talked to Earl yesterday.
43:20And I really mocked him there.
43:23I did that part.
43:23Let me, let me, I'll start to give him a couple of seconds.
43:30You're a quarterback.
43:32What are you a quarterback?
43:37I don't know what I'm a quarterback.
43:40A quarterback?
43:41No.
43:41A quarterback?
43:41No.
43:41A tackle?
43:41A tackle, yes.
43:42A tackle, yes.
43:45How are you?
43:50Is Wenger here?
43:52Well, the thing that I wanted to say...
44:19which I think Earl and I want to be sure you will be willing to share it with us.
44:26You can give your letter to Don, and I like to say it because, after all, you've been working for Page for a long time.
44:35The thing I'd all get to hear is this.
44:38Page and I have worked together on a lot of that one, and good things, too, for many years.
44:45And Earl, I want you to establish, you've only two, of course, for many years.
44:54But he's the man who can wheel that committee.
44:59And when we've got stuff in this barn, you know, there'll be people down here who'll say do this and that and the other thing, and...
45:08Frankly, what I have to do, I have to go to my secretary of agriculture and say, what do you think?
45:14And I want you, whenever there is anything that comes up, I want you to check the page so that I can know what his view is.
45:23And now, because one thing about it, he's a team player, too.
45:27Page has carried a lot of stuff down there that didn't help him work at Dan and Tulsa.
45:37And you're new, of course, new in this job.
45:40But I think what I want you to do, Earl, is to establish the same relationship that Page has looked at.
45:47And I hope, you know, you start out, and like, for example...
45:53Page was raising the point of that $500 million increase in the budget and so forth and so on.
45:59He said some of it was all right, some of it, in his opinion, was not.
46:03The main point is that we should have talked to him about that.
46:07And so in the future, what I just want to have clearly understood, and there's a check behind, you of course have a close relationship down here too, right?
46:18Yes.
46:20Fine relations are here.
46:21Yeah.
46:21But the point is that I think we've got to, now, Page, you see, is also, he can do things with code that others can't do.
46:32He also, Bart, can be very effective with our friend Jack Miller, if anybody can be.
46:39He's got more time to spend to listen to him than some of the rest of them.
46:46You know, I knocked his head off ten times in that conference.
46:52Was he in the conference?
46:55Oh, hell, he was in the conference, and he said three days, and he said he can't carry him.
47:04God, he just brings up everything.
47:06Carl is so worried about his election, and my God, he's going to beat the hell out of us.
47:14When you get scared, you lose.
47:26You should get scared.
47:27Listen, if I were scared, I wouldn't be here.
47:30No, that's not good.
47:31No, the thing that I'm honorable about is this jerk is a kind of politician.
47:36You know what I mean?
47:38And basically, you're conservative at this stage, and this am I.
47:40We also know we've got a problem with some who are nuts, like Shirley.
47:45He's come in, I've had breakfast with him.
47:48Shirley is, and he's an old Jesus.
47:51Well, let's go back to you.
47:53You have to listen.
47:53Talk to him.
47:54No, Bill, we love him.
47:55We like him to fight on our side.
47:57Next year he'll get the help.
47:58Next year he fights on our side.
47:59I think we're both in a little better position.
48:13I think Shirley is going to make a pitch for that tomorrow.
48:17But if you or Jack Miller are calling for us this morning, this building here, I'll call Jack this afternoon, and I'll say, if you get that announcement, I'll go back and change it right now.
48:26All right, yeah, if you do that, Jack, Bill, I'm sure that'll be all right.
48:29I'm sure they'll get it off the ground anyway.
48:32Well, you know what?
48:33Speaking of that, you got that Tulsa Hospital thing working?
48:36Yes, sir.
48:36Mr. Gardner has said that...
48:39We saw a president that said...
48:41The main thing that I want to do, I mean, not to leave pieces, but the point is, I want to be sure that Gardner knows that Paige Belcher is sitting, that we talked about the dark thing, you know what I mean?
49:03We would have done it anyway, probably.
49:06The point is, did you get that point across?
49:09I said to myself, and I said, the president is meeting on Congressman's page in Belgium, and the president just called me and asked me to direct you to sign that $40,300,000 guarantee, mortgage guarantee, for the St. John's Hospital.
49:23He said, well, I didn't think I was going to do it.
49:26A lot of Catholics do.
49:28That's the Catholic question.
49:34Thank you very much.
49:54John has the responsibility, here you know, on our agriculture side.
49:59John and Paige work very closely together.
50:03So, John, if you will remember what we're trying to do here, and be sure.
50:11Another thing is that when Paige has got something that he feels has got to be brought to my attention,
50:19You get it down here, or you do it.
50:22You see what I mean?
50:23But I want to be damn sure that in this election year, because of his political sagacity that we hear, that's your job.
50:31That's your job.
50:32And you just tell McGregor, right from the minute.
50:35Clark, one other thing.
50:36Yes, sir?
50:37I don't think that the next meeting will be ready for it, because I don't still have a farm on.
50:43The next time we have got...
50:46I've been in on agriculture at a leadership meeting.
50:48The wild card would be Belcher.
50:49Yes, sir.
50:49I'd like to put you in one of those leadership meetings.
50:53But what I want you to do now, Paige, when you come, now this is history between us.
50:59I don't want you to talk about the farm.
51:00Goose up those people and say, my God, that's fine.
51:03Give them a little watching time.
51:04That's what they need to hear.
51:06Barry was great this morning.
51:09Wasn't he great?
51:09Gosh, he just, I had to talk to him.
51:12He had a lot of guts.
51:15Well, Barry was fine.
51:17It was good to have an extra voice there.
51:19Mr. President, Page's got a wonderful expression that would be very good to use in some of those leadership meetings.
51:23Page has told me this many times before, House of Representatives.
51:27I never saw a football team win if the guard pulls out and tackles his own quarterback.
51:32Yeah.
51:33Yeah, you heard that.
51:35I was down here, and I thought it was attacking my own quarterback.
51:39Yeah, but you were aligning.
51:41I thought you were... No, I thought you were... You see, I had the idea of a quarterback because of that story.
51:48No, I was...
51:49I didn't tackle it.
51:50It was a quarterback.
51:53Yeah.
51:54Yeah.
51:54Less than... How much time do I have?
51:56I don't know.
51:58I need another thing.
52:00I talked to Carol yesterday.
52:04I need 108 cattle.
52:05Our people are on that page.
52:09108 cattle.
52:09Quarantined.
52:11Quarantined for three years.
52:13Why do you know that quarantine is not wrong?
52:18No, it's not.
52:19Everything is different.
52:22Quarantined for eight years.
52:48Malcom's disease for the last three years.
52:53Don't ask me at all.
52:55I haven't heard about this.
53:01Yeah, you haven't.
53:03Yeah, I think the first time I talked to him, I didn't talk to him before.
53:10But that's 100% true.
53:19I'm talking about that cabbage pot.
53:23I'm not talking about everything else.
53:32We got a violation of the law coming in.
53:40What was it?
53:41They've been quarantined for three years out there.
53:45Where the hell would they keep them then?
53:49I don't know.
54:14I don't know.
54:38And we did a little stuff, not as bad as it may have been.
54:40I met with the National Wigdorff Association in Denver.
54:45That's the militant group, it's the Democrat base in Denver.
54:50Sure, that's it.
54:51They had a strong influence, yeah.
54:54And they were strong for this 25% increase in price in the mall rates down here.
55:00I said, I know your position.
55:04I respect the reasons for taking it.
55:06Let me explain why I didn't take it this time.
55:10I came out of the winter, I think.
55:13Did you?
55:14Yeah.
55:14I handed it down to me two weeks ago, and Henry says I've spent 20 copies in Oklahoma.
55:21I want to tell you that this park was popular.
55:25The farmers had a reason to be satisfied down here.
55:27I talked to the American Farm Bureau, and they said the farmers ended up happy.
55:56But the entire time it comes out, my firm's intentions are fine.
56:01We're going after a 38-billion-acre reduction in feedings this year.
56:04We're putting about $2 billion into that.
56:06I know Shell's a patient of Shell.
56:08To me, this program is not the end time.
56:11If you recall, when I first talked to you about taking this job, I mentioned that that might be a little short.
56:16I was happy when our voice decided that we were going to make a little change in the mechanics of this thing.
56:20Percentage is what we asked for to set aside.
56:25But I told them that my position was that if we really needed those things to get clear to our destination, I'd have almost got 15 miles short.
56:33If I didn't have a million dollars, I said, I've discussed that with you and with Georgetown.
56:37They don't think we're going to need it.
56:40But we're not sure yet what that intensity will be in the market.
56:43Even I can't see that until it comes out.
56:46That's something that you'll find out from the markets.
56:47That's right.
56:48That's what our intentions are, you see.
56:49And if their intensities look like they're going to demand more, then we think we'd better buy a little more to get it out.
56:55And maybe we'll have to raise the price and the mechanics of this out.
57:00We're going after the first 25% set aside, which we pay 80 cents a person for.
57:05That there is an additional 10% that's voluntary, for which it would make only 52 cents, I hope so.
57:11That's the reason I discussed this with you last November.
57:15If my boy didn't produce that, that 52 cents wouldn't be quite enough to get the participation we need to get to 38, 99 years old.
57:21In view of current developments, in view of the defeat of this bill that's coming up here, and not landing the expectation in front of them of 25% more, I wasn't sure if it would change from 25% required and 10% required to 25% and 15%, which means that you put a 40% package in and write one decision.
57:45And that's where we left it.
57:46I'm pending that this intensity report tomorrow.
57:48At the moment, it looks like we won't be coming for more money, but this intensity report goes different from what we think.
57:57But my position is, I don't want to end up 15 months short term.
58:04I agree with that.
58:05When I first went down to the White House, they wanted to spend less than $3 million.
58:13I said, if you don't spend more, you just...
58:46I think the page feels this way.
58:48It satisfies me, so you don't have to even refer to it by your understanding on it.
58:54And your shoulders, all the work that's depending on what those intentions are, we get them hard.
59:02But we shouldn't spend too much, because...
59:08You lose five votes in the Senate.
59:13I hope you can't say anything about this at this point.
59:17It must not go beyond this ruling.
59:19But, long range, I can assure you, I think I can give you a very high hope that we're going to have a very substantial package that I'm going to be able to negotiate with the Russians.
59:39Good.
59:39Yeah.
59:39A very substantial factory.
59:41Now, they can keep that in the back of your head when you hear about it a few months from now.
59:45It'll come about the right time.
59:47I'm dragging my feet on it right now for some other reasons.
59:49I don't want to give it to them for free.
59:50See, I don't want to give it to them for free.
59:53I don't want to give the Russians for free, because even for the farm code, I'm not going to destroy the border policy.
59:58I'm going to get it in.
1:00:00We've got some very ostentatious work on it.
1:00:03And I'm working on it through another channel.
1:00:07And we're sort of nagging a few other things around.
1:00:09But I might boost it up a little bit, and I think I can when I have a question.
1:00:15So this is something you can be thinking about for the future.
1:00:19That's the way to do it, too.
1:00:21Sell the sale.
1:00:22Sell the sale.
1:00:23That's the whole page.
1:00:24I had lunch at the request of Al Cui and Johns Watkins.
1:00:31I had lunch at the request of John Watkins this afternoon.
1:00:38Without my prompting, Hal Cui said that he has spent the first two weeks of January in his district to visit every county.
1:00:44Farmers have never been in better spirits in the entire town that Hal Cui's been here since.
1:00:50That's March of 1958.
1:00:53I said, he went to... Well, what does that mean, Hal Cui?
1:00:55That's not...
1:00:56It's primarily dairy, but think of...
1:00:57It's a gas diverse climate, but dairy is strong.
1:01:00But his point was, not only did he go to MMO meetings and farmer union meetings and found generally in...
1:01:07Good friend of mine.
1:01:08But he also said that the strength and length to their attitudes towards you, and John's walk was kind of a complaint.
1:01:15He said, I must say, Clark, things are pretty good in my district.
1:01:20Now, Clark, one other thing I want to say in the presence of age here, and this has been frankly my fault, but it's also the fault of our congressional age-son people.
1:01:31Did you know you, and right before you,
1:01:35God, I've seen congressmen and senators run out of my ears, but you're always having me see the guys that aren't with us.
1:01:44Now, this year, it's a different cup of tea.
1:01:48This year, by golly, I'm going to see some of my friends, versus good for my morale.
1:01:54You understand?
1:01:55That's where that second, rather than hauling in, you know, the guys that I had to, you know, like with Page, I never have to ask for his book.
1:02:04You know what I mean?
1:02:05I know that, but you know, I said, I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to win the damn post, but whether it was Carswell, or Hainsworth, or Lansing, all of these guys, you had me see all these guys that we thought were going to win, but just remember that I think we can do better by picking a few guys, page is one.
1:02:27Where they wield a power behind the scenes is very important, but they're not going to be able to wield it this well unless they see me in front of them, see the point of service.
1:02:40And that's why I had to go to St. George.
1:02:43I had to go to St. George.
1:02:44Also, the other thing, Earl, his assistant, but Page, he's not one of these guys.
1:02:50He'll say, well now if you don't take what I say, I'm just going to go take a walk.
1:02:56Page has supported more crap that he didn't like.
1:03:01Because he didn't like it.
1:03:03But you have.
1:03:04And so I find it is, if he gets a signal, but the main thing is, you cannot say to a fellow who is our friend, you cannot say, well, hell, he's our friend, you don't have to talk to him.
1:03:18The thing to do is to be clear with him, and that he can take some, you know, crappy thing that he's got to do himself to somebody else.
1:03:25Now that's what you're, that's your part of the party.
1:03:28I don't, I don't, I don't want to take an old friend for a new one.
1:03:31I'm not trying to take an old friend for a new one.
1:03:35That's a good rule.
1:03:37Everybody has a sporting degree for the last 40 years.
1:03:41I didn't use any sport.
1:03:44I had just two cents to really get off the general subject.
1:03:47There's one bill, and one subject that's going to be of eminence and of importance this year is this rural development.
1:03:55Yeah.
1:03:55Yeah.
1:03:56Yeah.
1:03:57Yeah.
1:03:58Yeah.
1:03:59Yeah.
1:04:18Well, but I'll take the moon dog with me.
1:04:21You can carry the flag.
1:04:23You can't, you can't, you can't.
1:04:25I won't, uh, uh, help you.
1:04:27No, we're going to take the flag.
1:04:32We're going to steal his campaign.
1:04:36Well, what I'd like though, Earl, if we could get Page to carry this, you know, I mean, if you'd re-hide it, it'd be a heck of a thing.
1:04:45Well, Page is the only man that can broker the situation.
1:04:49The committee is darkening our control already, aren't they?
1:04:53Yeah.
1:04:53And that's just openers for what the Senate will do when they get this kind of legislation.
1:04:58All right, we've got the signals now, mister.
1:05:01Yes, sir.
1:05:01All right.
1:05:29Don't give page two bad stuff to Carrie, because maybe it's some bad high shit that's important, you understand?
1:05:38Right?
1:05:39And you feel real talk about it, but, you know... Let us know.
1:05:45Well, you will.
1:05:46But we won't ask you to do something that, you know, that... You've asked me a lot of things, but then...
1:05:54Mr. President, a little way back in the best days, Hayes marched on the team that was a popular secretary.
1:06:01Mr. President said we wanted Hayes marched on the team, I'll say that.
1:06:05That's right.
1:06:06Our only friend in the whole United States.
1:06:09That's right.
1:06:09The other Republicans were against this all the way through.
1:06:13I appreciate your coming down.
1:06:19We'll make a little good medicine.
1:06:28Thank you very much.
1:06:45You have a money clip.
1:06:47A money clip.
1:06:48You don't have a money clip, do you?
1:06:51No.
1:06:51How many secretaries you got?
1:06:54Oh, ten.
1:06:54How many girls?
1:06:56How many men?
1:06:58Nine and one.
1:06:59One man and nine secretaries.
1:07:01I'll show you what we give.
1:07:04Trinkets.
1:07:04Nine of those for the girls.
1:07:10And one of these for the men.
1:07:16for the girls for that, for the
1:07:27For the others.
1:07:27So they can have a little drink.
1:07:30And Moneyfoot, he gets all that stuff.
1:07:35He needs it.
1:07:36He doesn't have any money, but he needs a Moneyfoot.
1:07:41Moneyfoot is a very, very nice name.
1:07:44It's a new name.
1:07:48God, it's the president's deal.
1:07:51And it's worth a lot of money.
1:07:55So, it's only for...
1:07:56I got a challenge.
1:07:57Don't you dare.
1:07:57I just gave one to a prime minister.
1:08:02So, thank you.
1:08:02That's a gift.
1:08:27Tell them not to get the spirits because Hanoi turned it down.
1:08:28We know they were going to faint, and now we've got them on the spot.
1:09:04Jerry, this one, the speaker, would not sign.
1:09:07I'm sure you don't.
1:09:09Jerry, he said I'm good.
1:09:11He said, Mark, I've never seen the speaker speak English before the president.
1:09:16But he said his position was all right.
1:09:21I understand that.
1:09:22I understand that I don't agree with it, but I all have.
1:09:25The other thing, old McCormick would have signed it, I'm sure he would have.
1:09:30In fact, it might be a good idea to be designed.
1:09:32We might try.
1:09:34Another thing is to get the genocide, the human fusion, to be able to get a majority to Senate.
1:10:05Thank you, Bob.
1:10:06Thank you for your time.
1:10:08Your report is for Mr. Alex as a nomination for you, sir.
1:10:11I wish you all the best.
1:10:14Thank you.
1:10:23Oh, they got it.
1:10:24Yes, sir.
1:10:25It will be set up.
1:10:26The only thing I want to bring to your attention is that if you want to phone first, we will wait about one minute till I answer.
1:10:31So that as soon as he picks up the phone, then you can have the line.
1:10:35Oh, yeah.
1:11:27He's a good friend.
1:11:35He's done all that.
1:11:37He wants a lot.

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