{"conversationCode":"658-007","tapeNumber":658,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-658-007","startDateTime":"1972-01-27T16:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-27T16:24:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Jan-1972","startTime":"11:13 AM","endDate":"27-Jan-1972","endTime":"11:24 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Stans, Maurice H.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Peterson, Peter G.; Flanigan, Peter M.; White House photographer;","description":"On January 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Maurice H. Stans, Ronald L. Ziegler, Peter G. Peterson, Peter M. Flanigan, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:13 am to 11:24 am. 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Stans.\n\n     Stans’s resignation\n          -Announcement\n          -The President’s gratitude\n          -Announcement\n                 -Stans’s forthcoming role\n          -Secrecy\n          -The President’s gratitude\n                 -Stans’s past support\n                      -1960 election\n                      -1962 election\n                      -1968 election\n\n**************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Political returnable]\n[Duration: 39s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n     Business\n          -Support for the Administration\n\n     Economy\n         -As issue\n\n          -Democrats\n     -Retail sales\n          -Arthur F. Burns\n     -General thrust\n     -Economic indicators\n          -Retail sales\n                 -Stans’s reports\n          -Stock market\n          -Rise in economy\n          -Unemployment\n\nStans’s future attendance at meetings\n     -Legislative leaders\n     -Robert J. Dole\n     -Cabinet\n     -Bryce N. Harlow\n     -Notification of H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\nAttendees at White House functions\n     -Dinners\n     -Rose Mary Woods notification\n     -Haldeman\n     -Stans’s talk with Woods\n\nBusiness problems\n     -Federal Trade Commission [FTC] decision\n     -Breakup of breakfast cereal companies\n     -FTC administrator [Miles W. Kirkpatrick]\n     -The President’s support for business\n           -Edmund S. Muskie, Hubert H. Humphrey, Edward M. Kennedy\n     -Perception of business community\n           -Stans\n           -Peter M. Flanigan\n           -Control of commissioners\n                 -William D. Ruckelshaus\n                 -Kirkpatrick\n                 -Virginia H. Knauer\n\nStans’s notes to the President\n     -Telephone call to be made\n           -Former head of 3M, Camden Knight\n\n                     -View of wage and price controls\n                     -Political pressure from right wing\n                -Foster [?] McGraw [sp ?]\n                     -Birthday greetings\n\n     Mike McGill\n          -Books\n          -Possible position with administration\n               -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]\n          -Qualifications\n          -Stans’s possible talk with Flanigan\n          -Possible ambassadorship\n\n     Forthcoming announcement\n          -Duration\n          -Speaking rules\n               -Stans, Peterson, Flanigan\n          -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]\n\nPeter G. Peterson, Flanigan, and the photographer entered at 11:20 am.\n\n     Forthcoming announcement\n\n     Arrangement for photograph session\n\n     [Photograph session]\n          -[General conversation]\n               -Germany\n\n     Announcement of appointments\n         -Protocol\n               -Flanigan’s forthcoming position\n         -The President’s remarks\n         -Stans’s remarks\n         -Peterson’s remarks\n               -Duration\n               -Content\n\nRonald L. Ziegler entered at 11:23 am.\n\n     Camera\n\n           -Position\n\nThe President, et al. left at 11:24 am.","filename":["658a.mp3","658b.mp3","658c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:16:45","tapeEnd":"02:28:14","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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