Nixon, Haldeman & Colson on Labor relations and Busing

2:45:44So we can move on.
2:45:4511.30 tomorrow is my first one.
2:45:47I may go at about 8 o'clock.
2:45:57Thank you.
2:48:19I guess he kinda wants it.
2:48:24I think he does too.
2:48:49Why is it?
2:48:50He just likes to move around.
2:48:52Well, it's, he likes that, I don't know, I can't, for the life of me, I mean, it's fine, but I think he likes that, you know, making a case to turn it, make a sale to get it around.
2:49:13Yeah, this is a good one.
2:49:20What are you doing this time?
2:49:22What was the last time you saw me?
2:49:35One other thought on the point of all, I think, that I don't, it's a toss-up, I believe, if you want to consider it or not, but we had a talkers' course at, which came up with the thing that me was, I don't know if it was the illness was serious and all that sort of thing and stuff, but that
2:49:59He observed that neither the White House nor labor needed to love each other or even like one another to understand the point that he believes.
2:50:06The president understands that the labor movement is an essential part of what we hold in our society together.
2:50:12He said that the only people who understood
2:50:16Understood later in the Glee concept were George Shultz and Chuck Colson.
2:50:20He railed repeatedly against Secretary Connolly.
2:50:25He said, Connolly's always been that way, very proud of it, persistent in saying how they believe, and that's where our real fight is with Connolly.
2:50:34But then, he says, what comes through from the atmosphere and presentation meetings reported bedside views is a bizarre dissonance on how passionate he's up with the president at the same time he stays at base.
2:50:43He concedes that his treatment of the president of Miami was not helpful.
2:50:46He attributes this to a fiercely overactive schedule and subsequent tension and even worse truculence than is normal for him.
2:50:53He said the box of cigars the president sent him as a Christmas gift, it was very thoughtful.
2:50:58I wish he'd also had the time to call and say hello.
2:51:01In other words, it seems to me he would dearly love to have a call from the press inquiring into his health, that he doesn't want to initiate any gesture that will be considered reconciliation, because he doesn't want to be held up as a doddering thing, which some of his enemies have already used as a factor.
2:51:16Yeah, well, he came back to his comeback report.
2:51:19After we got this report, Schultz and John O'Connell, who's in contact with me and is very close to him, had just talked with me,
2:51:29This was a couple of days ago.
2:51:31He was back in the office.
2:51:32He had just left the doctor and had just had a check-up, a recent check-up.
2:51:38The doctor confirmed that he did have a very rough heart attack, but he gave him now a clean bill of health.
2:51:45He said he has come back very strong physically, and has a very good mental attitude.
2:51:52He's planning to come to the productivity commission meeting on February 2nd.
2:51:57which they're having over Congress, I guess, having a trigger.
2:52:01O'Connell thinks that Meany feels that he could have dealt with Schultz or the president on all these things, but he blames Hodgson and Connolly
2:52:11This is, O'Connell didn't have any of this other input, you know.
2:52:15He said there's no question that he would respond to a phone call from the president that a gesture of personal goodwill would mean a lot to him.
2:52:23However, he will, he made it clear that he is going to try to defeat us, but he's not nearly as mad as he sounded, and he's not blown that worry away.
2:52:33He suggested another possibility might be for Shultz to go over with the budget and all, and give him a briefing on a special defense activity, the fact that, you know, we're building that up.
2:52:45And this guy makes the point that he has a semi-alliance with the Republican right wing, which he knows he has, with China, defense, communism, that sort of stuff.
2:52:55And it might be good to play through him in regard to that.
2:52:58And he's on the top of the wave at the moment, in his own experience.
2:53:02He was very late in his time, he was just out for a few quarters, and they were going to let him play golf, but I had almost been as long as him.
2:53:11No, but the thought, you heard that he's getting better, and you're delighted to hear that, and you thought you might find it helpful to have George Schultz sit down with him and spend some time on the budget, particularly what we're doing in the defense area, and if so, you'd be glad to send Schultz over.
2:53:30That would give you a specific time to talk about it, if you want to call him, and it's a hard thing to do.
2:53:41Scanlon had some interesting observations on that.
2:53:43I was just thinking, I wish we had a fellow who was upholstered, who was down to earth as quick...
2:54:16I can remember Mr. President in the early 60s having debates with him
2:54:47Just sitting over a drink late at night and arguing with him.
2:54:51I've always, he and I have been friends personally.
2:54:54It's always an opportunity.
2:54:56And how far he has come in ten years, as he just said to me walking out of the office, he said, well, he said, I can say one thing.
2:55:04He said, you've done this to me, Coulson.
2:55:08He said, I can say one thing, that I wouldn't vote for any Democrat today.
2:55:12And he said, I can think of a number that I wouldn't vote for, in fact, against this man.
2:55:17And he said, you're going to make me the hell of a lot of crow, but I very well may pull that lever for Richard Mason.
2:55:23He did a hell of a job on it.
2:55:27Well, he was tremendously impressed with that ending.
2:55:29As he said to me, he said, there wasn't a single word the president uttered that I didn't agree with.
2:55:35And he said, I guess I go a little further than he did.
2:55:38Which was kind of...
2:55:41But he...
2:55:42His closing appeal, Mr. President, was that he said, after listening to that, and he said, after listening to Al Barkin, who's one of his close friends, and listening to George Mayne, he said, God, he said, you fellas were on the right track, and find a way to get back with him, because he said they
2:56:11They won't be for you, but if they really understood how this man felt, they couldn't be against you.
2:56:17Of course, he does a lot of talking around town.
2:56:20I suspect that...
2:56:21They have to be against you to take a chance to solve it.
2:56:24Yeah, there's a degree of... To take a chance to solve it.
2:56:27Sure there is.
2:56:30I mean, he can't come back and be for you.
2:56:32Never.
2:56:32There's no way.
2:56:33But there is sure a way that he can avoid being affected.
2:56:36Yes, he can avoid anything trying to beat the others over the head.
2:56:39It's a hard force then to be against just as much as he is to write about.
2:56:47I wish he came to the venue because it was a very interesting conversation.
2:56:52He makes one point, though, Bob, that he makes this point.
2:57:04He said, I think you should know that your administration is not going to be strong enough.
2:57:11I've told this to her ten times, and he doesn't believe me.
2:57:16I just asked you... You know, I talked to John about it.
2:57:20I said, John, they don't know where we stand on busing.
2:57:23They don't know where we stand on busing.
2:57:26They do, but... Well, on what they do, it's a long order.
2:57:32Scatterhousing, yeah.
2:57:33Dick just, I said to Dick, well, what would you do if you were us?
2:57:37He said, you have an opportunity that is unique, because the Democrats can't do it.
2:57:41He said, you could oppose scatterhousing,
2:57:45And you can stop what HUD is doing, and you can be for a constitutional amendment.
2:57:48I'm bussing, and he said if you do that, there isn't any way that any Democrat can touch you, except soup checks.
2:57:55Because none of them... Soup can't go that way.
2:57:58Well, he can't go that way.
2:57:59Let's do it.
2:58:00He'd sell it.
2:58:01He'd sell it.
2:58:02Yeah, but he... Well, maybe not as far as...
2:58:06He's not vulnerable.
2:58:07I think we may have to take...
2:58:09I don't know how to take it wrongly, but maybe...
2:58:13Hello?
2:58:13Hello?
2:58:28And he's not serious.
2:58:29Absolutely.
2:58:30So am I.
2:58:31And I see why.
2:58:33You can see what advantage that is.
2:58:35Oh, absolutely.
2:58:36He's got a strong tongue, and people think he's Jewish, which helps a hell of a lot.
2:58:42And he's Jewish.
2:58:45And I think that's great.
2:58:47Well, that'd be spectacular.
2:58:48With one set of instructions, and that is to stop all these goddamned... No problem.
2:58:52And that's the duty of Cap Langer.
2:58:54It's also the danger of him.
2:58:55If you give instructions, he carries them out.
2:58:57That's right.
2:59:00But it's...
2:59:02The symbolism of the wrong explanation might not be back.
2:59:05The scammer, Mr. President, can develop an argument that is...
2:59:10superior intellectually to anything I've ever listened to on this busing thing.
2:59:16He said, everybody's approaching it the wrong way.
2:59:19He said, it's really white supremacy.
2:59:21He said, the Richmond decision is white supremacy.
2:59:24It is saying that we're not going to let the Negroes in the inner city of Richmond have their own school district.
2:59:31We're going to insist on bringing enough whites in so that the whites are always in control.
2:59:37We will never let a minority achieve its...
2:59:40He draws the analogy with Canada, where the Roman Catholic minority is given total control of their own school system, because they don't want to be dominated by the majority.
2:59:51And that's the way they've kept total harmony between races that have, or religions that have, a greater dichotomy than the blacks and the whites.
2:59:59But he can develop a hell of a case that twists that issue right all the way, 180 degrees.
3:00:07And he said, that's why half the blacks opposed it.
3:00:09Exactly.
3:00:09I think he didn't know that he favors the exemption for private schools.
3:00:13No, too.
3:00:14That's why we're going to get a comment here tomorrow.
3:00:17But you know, Bob, we've got to fight these things.
3:00:20I know it's hard, damn hard, where John says, John Ervin, because I know his views are kosher, but it's hard where he says, you know, take all of it, because we basically should have been, goddammit, what this city thinks about these issues is wrong.
3:00:37You agree or not?
3:00:38Absolutely, but I'm wrong.
3:00:39Yeah, but I will start about my own issue, because I'm basically pretty much of a racist.
3:00:48I'm against, and I'm not racist, I'm anti-integrity, just because I'm opposed to integration, so I've got a problem.
3:00:55Well, then leave it to me, because I hired the first...
3:01:00Negro in a Boston Warframe that broke the color line.
3:01:03I have nothing against whites and whites philosophically.
3:01:06I have nothing against them on the merits.
3:01:10I'm against integration for the sake of integration.
3:01:12What kind of integration?
3:01:14Integration above education.
3:01:15I am not anti-black at all.
3:01:17Far more pro-black than most integrations are.
3:01:20But yeah, at least we treat them like human beings.
3:01:24They want you to act like a patriot, but I also recognize the fact that a lot of them aren't human.
3:01:27A lot of them are goddamn animals.
3:01:30But they won't admit that, because of some white animals.
3:01:33I'm over at Sadie Scammon's view, and I asked him if he'd write this up for me and give me a paper, which he's beautiful writing.
3:01:41He said to me when we were walking back, he said,
3:02:11Why did the president ask me in?
3:02:12And I said, I think just to get your views taken.
3:08:05I must say, it's a huge and quiet moment.
3:08:14I should have talked with John Herman, and I'll be talking to him too.
3:08:21And I think we're going to have to fight the bullet out.
3:08:25I just think we have got to preempt that issue.
3:08:29He doesn't have got anything to preempt.
3:08:33But the Carter-Waite trip, that's over people's heads.
3:08:37People think that's probably just being go out by the Carter-Waite's, and it builds your credibility, but it...
3:08:44The point still is, are you going to force the suburbs to interfere around you?
3:08:50And are you going to force the little black kids to go through the little white kids around you?
3:08:55If you are, then they're going to like it.
3:08:57If you're not, then that's fine.
3:09:00And that's a very clearly understandable issue to people personally, where the court tends to be a separate movement.
3:09:10And what the court rulings are in Charlotte, if in their own city, some husband guy or H.E.W.
3:09:17guy has come in and ordered their kid to get on a bus at 5 o'clock in the morning and ride for two hours to go to a black school.
3:09:23But there's many of the other things, Mr. President, that if Judge Merge's decision is upheld in Richmond in the Supreme Court, and it's coming up before the election, then it doesn't matter who you appoint to that court.
3:09:36That's worse, because that's the Nixon court that endorsed it.
3:09:40The other thing is the bomb we have hanging.
3:09:43That is a real problem.
3:09:44I've read the Ed Martin thing, which says, you know, there's probably much you can do about it.
3:09:49I mean, you know, it is hard to determine.
3:09:53Basically what I mean, I'm just going to treat it as solely a COVID political issue.
3:09:59One of the problems there is if you're on the train in general, you won't be there long.
3:10:05But he'll still be a very strong influence over there.
3:10:08His spirit will be there.
3:10:10But what the hell, he doesn't want to.
3:10:13But I think that's something that if they follow the law, you're going to want to spend some time with my people.
3:10:18I will.
3:10:21Well, they've just got to get a...
3:10:22I mean, they've just got to remember that the law may be the law, but we've got to get this issue granted.
3:10:29We've served the issue.
3:10:31Well, the only...
3:10:32The wisdom of the...
3:10:33I mean, the merit of the constitutional amendment is that you can say you respect the law as long as the law, but you think the people have an opportunity to speak to the constitutional issue.
3:10:43And if that's the way they wish it to be, fine.
3:10:46It is the most...
3:10:48Dicta said it's the most democratic solution, because we've amended the Constitution many times for issues that really have had less significance to people, less importance to people.
3:11:01And that this is why we have a class that's like this.
3:11:04It's a good point, you know.
3:11:05And it's a populist...
3:11:06This affects schools and houses, so why isn't that as important as the issue of health care?
3:11:13It's everyone's community and education.
3:11:16And you're talking about
3:11:17You know, two of the most important elements of their lives.
3:11:25Kind of get some power in me, you know.
3:11:27Kind of encourage somebody to come up with some hard law.
3:11:35I was tested.
3:11:37Wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
3:11:39I didn't know a lot of that.
3:11:41Except for two of them.
3:11:44You know they got them.
3:11:47You know, they, I mean, they started a...
3:12:39I was glad to see that some of our youth movement stuff began to get some play here.
3:12:45I noticed that they had the group in.
3:12:48I liked it.
3:12:49I thought that was great.
3:12:51I heard so many hands and elbows on that.
3:12:54I noticed something had been done.
3:12:56They proposed that we would come in and meet with you.
3:13:04They were there, but we publicly, for the purpose of trying to make them do that, we got to get them tied in in some other way.
3:13:12Well, we got Kissinger and Finch in and talked to them, and they had a good hour, and it was a good tour of the White House.
3:13:22They went away happy.
3:13:23Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:13:28Well, we forget how many guns like that we have to use, too, and we don't have to have the president first.
3:13:37For those people who didn't spend a little time with him, it gets harder to walk in every place.
3:13:43Yeah, it would.
3:13:46Well, I just can't be available for everything.
3:13:50The, uh...
3:13:53But I, the, uh...
3:13:56I would certainly say it's based on what the first two days' reactions to the January 25th speech had a much greater emotional reaction.
3:14:10It's the same thing.
3:14:12Is that correct?
3:14:15Absolutely.
3:14:15Very, very good.
3:14:40Those who say you copped out, and those who say you won't cop out.
3:14:46Carl McIntyre.
3:14:48Yeah.
3:14:50Well, you've turned that into a big center section of public service.
3:14:57Oh, that's very strong evidence, except for the mouse, McIntyre.
3:15:02I don't know if you read the New York Times piece by Finney this morning, suggesting that the White House was orchestrating the line.
3:15:18All of the senators, he said the Republican senators have drawn the issue now very clear, that any Democrat who now is opposed to the president's policy is advocating surrender.
3:15:29They've made the issue clear, and that's the very first step.
3:15:33Stay on it.
3:15:33I got the wires in yesterday afternoon when Humphrey and Muskie spoke and I may have overreacted I got our guys putting out
3:16:03vitriolic statements.
3:16:05And then the press didn't, which was out for the same thing in the papers, and the press did not play the Democrats half as hard as they read them over the wire.
3:16:14I mean, neither the Post nor the Times gave them as much negative support.
3:16:19There was much more wired stuff.
3:16:21Yeah.
3:16:22You read that.
3:16:22Oh, Jesus Christ.
3:16:23Then what was picked up on the papers?
3:16:25Yeah, on the answers.
3:16:28Sure.
3:16:29So we'll get hard on it.
3:16:33The language is in charge.
3:16:34Oh, it's a lot of fun on an issue like this.
3:16:42I was the only person at dinner last night in front of Mr. President who didn't realize that we'd be gone.
3:16:49I guess where my table was situated or something.
3:16:51He didn't tell us the question.
3:16:53A lot of people didn't.
3:16:54I think that Rosa didn't tell us the question.
3:16:57Well, I thought it was someone imitating me.
3:16:59He didn't even think it was a table.
3:17:00No, I thought it was someone imitating me.
3:17:02Yeah?
3:17:03But we couldn't, we were right down front.
3:17:05It was very hard to hear.
3:17:07That was the problem.
3:17:11Well, she didn't.
3:17:11You know what she did?
3:17:12She walked over and handed Henry the phone, and there was a lot of talk going on.
3:17:16But she said something on the phone.
3:17:18She said something on the phone.
3:17:21Apparently she didn't.
3:17:22We didn't.
3:17:23The first thing that caught my attention was the voice that sounded like yours.
3:17:26Well, it could have been right in the press, at least that.
3:17:32I think you could add one point that he stood by you or he supported you.
3:17:58You were against all of the Mansfield amendments.
3:18:01They did very strongly.
3:18:02And now that this has all been revealed, we just want to say thanks for your support in that area.
3:18:10But you couldn't tell them before, you couldn't tell anyone before what was happening.
3:18:16You know, this announcement this weekend... You didn't say anything at all against Mansfield.
3:18:21No, but it has to make you feel pretty good.
3:18:24Because anybody who stood with you
3:18:27It kind of looks to see a lot of people eating crude.
3:18:31Yeah.
3:18:35Well, anyway, it keeps up with the fatness of this bottle, I must say.
3:18:50It would be so ironic that we would sit here, believing as I do, and allow a soft-headed attitude on a social issue.
3:19:02I mean, we did sit here to cross, but you agree?
3:19:04Yep.
3:19:05Goddamn, I fought too many battles on this thing.
3:19:11Childcare, retail, everything else.
3:19:13I don't know what it takes to get it across, but... Well, Scammon makes two points, Mr. President.
3:19:21They're both equally important.
3:19:22One is that it's hard to make the social issue national.
3:19:26And be responsible.
3:19:28And the second point is that the only areas in which the federal government really can do it, and crime is a local problem, you can talk about it, but sometimes you can overhit on that one, and it backfires.
3:19:46The only two areas in which the program really is legitimately in is education and housing.
3:19:51And there he does some good stuff.
3:19:55And there's still a lot of work to be done.
3:19:58Oh, sure.
3:19:58But thanks.
3:19:59We'll work on that a little bit.
3:20:01But we'll keep our doctors up on the ground.
3:20:04Well, that's fine.
3:20:06Thanks very much.
3:20:06Tomorrow night, we'll get ready to drive us to the place.
3:20:12We'll go out and all over again later.
3:20:16You know, your Reader's Digest thing came out, right?
3:20:20Yes.
3:20:20That issue with your thing on... Yeah, it came out.
3:20:24It came right the day of your speech, which wasn't...
3:20:28Nothing was planned that way, but it all meshed together rather neatly.
3:20:32It was an interesting point about John Wayne movies, wasn't it?
3:20:38Yeah.
3:20:38I was happy he'd been number one through all these years.
3:20:43Because it is a serious thing in the country that we make.
3:20:47Yet we do know, and you see where Jackson has tackled it through Florida's reversions,
3:21:15Before this campaign, every person who works in our staff must read it.
3:21:21Because the goddamnedest of all won't call that certain line as jazza.
3:21:25But basically, in the campaign, we had very good members.
3:21:29But if you read the effort, folks will find...
3:21:32I just gave a scandal like that to the news system.
3:22:10Yeah.
3:22:11She'll get a good ride next week, though, because Russ is on that committee in Berlin.
3:22:15Yeah.
3:22:39You know, the reason the book isn't selling, and it is because it's hanging in a company's footage, is that it's a conspiracy of the viewers and the booksellers.
3:22:51They just aren't going to put that book out.
3:22:56No, it's got... No, the basic premise presently is that the publisher was the second Ray Mikeshine, and he wouldn't gamble on big business.
3:23:03And when he stole that, he couldn't supply the reorders.
3:23:07I mean, we know that for a fact.
3:23:09But they did publish and have sold 22,000 copies.
3:23:13Dick only sold 35,000, the real majority.
3:23:17I know.
3:23:18The sale of about 25,000 books was one hell of a lot.
3:23:23And it's the publicity that you get out of it, really.
3:23:27Count, she's been on it for days, she's been on it for years.
3:23:33She's got the broadcaster's shirt up, which is absurd.
3:23:37It doesn't be.
3:23:38They know...
3:23:40And I think the front of it, I think the crystal, the third crystal was out of the way.
3:23:46Probably had more effect than the first one.
3:23:48It was beautifully done.
3:23:51Now that was it, yes.
3:23:54That we did get about 50,000 around the country.
3:23:58There's a lot of stuff that we're getting out that I'm not aware of, or happy about.
3:24:05Well, I guess that I just...
3:24:06This is a hell of a 50,000 that went around.
3:24:10Why did we get them out?
3:24:12That's how we did that.
3:24:13That's what we had to do.
3:24:45Some of these people were kind of like, it's like, yeah, the H people can't do it.
3:24:50That's what's wrong.
3:24:50It's got to be put in a simple, real practical, and I try to don't put it like, just like that first, did you ever get to read the first one?
3:24:58No.
3:24:58Because basically, that isn't the way to write it.
3:25:03You've got to get it in a simple way.
3:25:05It's got to be said.
3:25:06We're not going to let you do this.
3:25:11Don't worry so much about this oversimplified one.
3:25:13Don't worry about it if you haven't put in Henry's eighth point or the seventh point.
3:25:18His first draft had all eight points, and I'm going to read all eight points, which would have taken me five minutes to that broadcast.
3:25:25I said, no, Henry, I mean, oh, not only that, I'm going to read it there, and I'm going to put it down there and set it up in R.A.
3:25:31I said, Henry, you can't do it, but he said, well, it's very important because we've got to keep the whole record.
3:25:37I said, you cover it.
3:25:38I'm going to cover it.
3:25:40My dad's not free.
3:25:43Well, we'll have to do a quick edit in there.
3:25:48You know, it's so that we put you in the position of an average guy that's out there and trying to answer the question.
3:25:55And what does he need to know about these things?
3:25:58Okay.
3:25:59Simple answer to the questions of the opposition.
3:26:01Well, it's establishing the basic point that you have done everything that anybody could possibly do.
3:26:06It should be that, actually.
3:26:08And the...
3:26:10Any Raquel's expenses on the side of North Vietnamese or our critics?
3:26:15Good point.
3:26:17Good.
3:26:20How are we coming to a new level?
3:26:26Yes, sir.
3:26:27I think I'll go to David's side.
3:26:29Fine.
3:26:30Yes, please.
3:26:53There's a couple of domestic shots they're proposing.
3:27:01They'd like to get you together and announce the appointment of the cancer panel as a way to make a story of the cancer program.
3:27:12Do we want to keep pushing that?
3:27:15What they've got is a couple of guys, doctors, that are going to go on the panel.
3:27:23And I think that's just great that I have done it.
3:27:26And I can't walk out again and do that.
3:27:28I did that and I can't.
3:27:29And it's great that no one wants you to walk out, though.
3:27:31What they want to do is have you meet with them and just allow a press photo opportunity over the meeting.
3:27:37You'd have to spend half an hour on it.
3:27:41It's just then it was meant, you know, that the head guy that you've already gotten, then it would be, all right, a leukemia guy, and then, okay, but just make it damn short.
3:27:51No more than a half hour.
3:27:54We're saying 20 minutes, but I'm trying to understand what it means a half hour.
3:27:57What in the hell is Daryl Bailey doing?
3:28:01Daryl Bailey is, that's why she's getting the heart of the year.
3:28:05Whatever that is.
3:28:10The thing that Elmer Bogues got for somebody that...
3:28:15So that's on Friday.
3:28:17It means we have to stay here.
3:28:19No, we can do it if you want to.
3:28:20We can do it Thursday.
3:28:23I think it would be a good idea, Bob.
3:28:25We were holding for an office press conference on Thursday.
3:28:28Did you do it?
3:28:29Did you do an office press conference?
3:28:31Did you do it in the afternoon?
3:28:32In the early afternoon.
3:28:34I think we can get rid of her away later.
3:28:36Get her out of the way, say, four o'clock.
3:28:38Yeah.
3:28:40Friday, I might want you to go to the camp A position, or B.
3:28:48Let's keep Friday open.
3:28:51I really want you to do that, as we get closer to this.
3:28:57The following Monday, I think you do want to do this.
3:29:04This is, again, we'll make a story, it's 15 minutes of your time.
3:29:09On the U.S. attorneys that they're bringing all of them in on the drug program, you could crack down on drug trafficking.
3:29:50Is that it, or what?
3:29:51That's what we like.
3:29:52It's a good jump, though, isn't it?
3:29:54It is bumping for our time.
3:29:55Yeah.
3:29:55But all of our domestic programming is so hard to get to play.
3:29:59The question is, what is the reception to the end?
3:30:05So what does it turn out to be?
3:30:08Why do you come in or not?
3:30:10Yeah, I haven't seen...
3:30:12I'll get it checked.
3:30:12You've got a good man in charge.
3:30:14You've got a good man in charge.
3:30:16Yeah, and it's...
3:30:18I don't think there's seven, you know, in there.
3:30:20The number is about, I just want to say this is that, I just want to say this is good, good people, good people.
3:30:55It's to be an early, just a chance for you to say hello to them.
3:31:00Would it not be your advantage then, or why is it?
3:31:03No.
3:31:04Would it not be your advantage rather than being at 8, 7 o'clock?
3:31:07You know, by the time you sit there, I mean, so, then you get out of the order of your businesses.
3:31:15Thank you.
3:31:16Yeah, I'm not sure, whatever it is, but I would still be hurt if you sat at 7 rather than 8.
3:31:53leadership conference seminar group in town.
3:31:58A question of whether you want to go over the top and shake hands with them or greet them or something.
3:32:03They're going to be here from February 6th to February 9th in that government affairs leadership seminar.
3:32:12People who are doing, who will be here are guys that are presidents who will leave office in June.
3:32:18So there are guys that we are going to work on organizing now.
3:32:21We'll let them make money out of it.
3:32:24Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
3:32:47Don't let the volunteers get out of hand.
3:32:51I'm interested in the program, but I know how they just crap all over you.
3:33:00So could we keep that going?
3:33:10They don't need to worry about people.
3:33:12On the long-range stuff, and these people are trying to get the business that we are stuck with settled,
3:33:38Yeah.
3:33:39Arrow, now.
3:33:41We went back and forth, and I think incidentally, I decided to knock the Canadian off again.
3:33:46So, that's all.
3:33:48Go to Canada.
3:33:50You have a hell of a time.
3:33:52I'm truly excited.
3:33:54John wants to do it.
3:33:57I'm just not going to do it.
3:33:59Just post-polling.
3:34:01I just can't work it out.
3:34:02I'm going to put it that way.
3:34:04I'm going to bring it up and walk it.
3:34:06I can do it.
3:34:07I can do it.
3:34:09I'm not saying that, but we're going to take some retaliatory action against Canada and Asia and some of their stuff.
3:34:15I don't mean to be sure that we'll get picked up there, and I'm just not going to go up there and take that crap.
3:34:21If you wouldn't, then I'm sure you'd let her come on us.
3:34:27Well, go ahead.
3:34:28The term, you don't care, I don't think.
3:34:30But it doesn't have to be too fancy, the term.
3:34:32Probably we have to give them a day.
3:34:36All right.
3:34:36But the one day is it, so.
3:34:38It's a one day.
3:34:39We're going to mark it one day.
3:34:40But it is a state visit.
3:34:43I mean, your thing is one day.
3:34:46All right.
3:34:47Okay, well, being that for March 23rd is what they want to do.
3:34:52Well, this is good, really, to ever get a Thursday.
3:34:58Well, that's what I've written in here.
3:34:59It says Tuesday, so it's the count of Thursdays, right?
3:35:03We want to keep Thursdays Wednesday and Thursdays over every week.
3:35:06And Fridays, so you can fix it on the weekend.
3:35:08Fridays, so I go to the weekend and do things Monday and Tuesday.
3:35:10Monday and Tuesday are going to be thoroughly scheduled, right?
3:35:14But keep Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, go to do that.
3:35:16Not a good idea to put here.
3:35:23But we didn't have all the signs.
3:35:28Thank you.
3:35:29Okay.
3:35:30I don't care.
3:35:30Okay, now the other one is at your very, very approach in June.
3:35:37You said to hold until after Moscow.
3:35:38Yeah, that's right.
3:35:41And our thought now is not to make any commitment to him, but we'll tentative, for our planning purposes, figure out really in the middle of June.
3:35:48All right.
3:35:49We'll wait until December.
3:35:53Hold it on that.
3:35:53Do you want to reopen the thought, the thing you raised of the TV anchorman?
3:36:04We had tentatively scheduled one.
3:36:08The George Putnam couch.
3:36:09No, we've never done one.
3:36:10Oh, around the country, we've got them all the time.
3:36:13Guys for a reception.
3:36:15And we made up a list, and we were set to do it, and then over the next ten years, we decided to move off and get an early dinner for them or something.
3:36:25We thought this would have been for a briefing, and then just a receiving line at the end of the day.
3:36:33And we get individual pictures with them.
3:36:36But I don't know whether you still want to try to do that.
3:36:41Well, I think it's a good idea.
3:36:43We've just got the TV anchor, and radio, and this job.
3:36:47We've got about a hundred of them.
3:36:49It's a good idea.
3:37:06Disinterestingly, on the ground, I thought, really dangerous, you know, to take your own life over.
3:37:11Yes.
3:37:11But I don't know how to do it.
3:37:14But he did not know how to do it.
3:37:17It's a very, very personal thing.
3:37:19Well, many things are just personal, what we do.
3:37:21But then what we try to do on the ground is to get in the ass, but I just don't want to do the rhythm.
3:37:25Then what we should do is have, do something nice to flow, you know.
3:37:31It takes a place of it to figure that out.
3:37:33What's the negative and the evil.
3:37:40Maybe I need a better point of view.
3:37:45I want to argue that some day.
3:37:47Well, we are.
3:37:54Congress is out.
3:37:55Congress is out.
3:38:48There's no problem with the White House's response, the White House's targeters, the people who follow me for response.
3:38:53I'm not going to delete any of those.
3:38:56They're done.
3:38:57I don't care who you press.
3:39:01I've done all of them before.
3:39:10Maybe I'd have worked for it if it hadn't fallen.
3:39:13But I was just thinking that being gone, and the way we keep being out of the country, was there any one of those things that did require going out of the country in that period?
3:39:25I don't know.
3:39:29We had that thing with Rogers, he says that can't work in San Francisco, the Latin American game.
3:39:37So there's no way to do it except here.
3:39:39They don't want to do it there.
3:39:41I'm sure the comments can go on how you understand.
3:39:44That is a hard thing.
3:39:46But it doesn't have to tie to the other.
3:39:50It's a separate event.
3:39:52All right.
3:39:54You're obviously down for that.
3:39:56All right.
3:40:00You're down.
3:40:02All right.
3:40:08But if there's anything in the way of having to do a visit, I'll be telling you a lot.
3:40:17I'm going to talk about having to tag that onto the starting line, putting it back on motion.
3:41:08On Iran, we've got an ambassador for the Soviet Union, and it's basically their state-informed service post.
3:41:22Rogers is recommending Waters, Watters, Cecil, or Herman Meyer, or Herman Eilert, who is now trying to be advisor at the War College, or Bill Sullivan, Henry,
3:41:36Oscar Sullivan as a way to get him out of the Southeast Asia business.
3:41:42Good.
3:41:42And he takes Cecil as second judge.
3:41:46Okay.
3:41:46He takes Sullivan.
3:41:56Mm-hmm.
3:41:57He's got to bring Meyer back.
3:41:59He's been out a long time.
3:42:01Yeah.
3:42:02Well, that's just...
3:42:07It might have already been a cluster here until I saw it, but I was glad to be able to send it back.
3:45:04The latest recommendation for you is that we should schedule you for an address before a black organization.
3:45:15I don't understand why.
3:45:18We've never done an address before a black organization.
3:45:20He's talking about a scheduled speech to some kind of national black community purpose.
3:45:29Well, his purpose is that against Muskie, the blacks will come over.
3:45:36He's the weakest Democrat against Muskie.
3:45:39I mean, Muskie is the weakest Democrat with the blacks.
3:45:45That's why he does a little of the white, but they show you getting 21% of the blacks.
3:45:53Against Muskie, we're in the end.
3:45:59He says we shouldn't throw those votes away through inaction.
3:46:04Also, 47% of the blacks oppose busing.
3:46:08So if the middle class black voter is reachable, we should try.
3:46:12I don't mind that.
3:46:13It won't hurt the president to give a dignified, mildly hard-hitting speech before a prominent black audience.
3:46:27Okay, look for a bit farther.
3:46:30Yeah, yeah.
3:46:32There's a Negro college on this.
3:46:39Textbook is my wife.
3:47:43These were to go to, you know, heroes.
3:47:45People that...
3:48:11A guy born without legs who spent three years helping amputees, and then medical minister, and then working with oriental diseases, and then with an adoption program just for raising children.
3:48:36It started building the volunteer types on the way back.
3:48:40Well, that's what it is.
3:48:41It plays off of that.
3:48:45All right.
3:48:46What they were talking about is that the first batch we ought to do was a ceremony of some kind, and do a half a dozen of them, and then from then on we just do the rest on a less formal basis to get the local publicity out of it.
3:49:00Have a cabin officer go out, or watch a leader Christian, so they can do that, or something.
3:49:06Alright, well, let's do it.
3:49:07Let's do it.
3:49:08It's a good thing that Mark Street set up a little East Room ceremony.
3:49:11Right.
3:49:11Right.
3:49:12It also focuses away from it.
3:49:15It kind of has a good play off the congressional medals.
3:49:18You know, we used to go over there and give medals to guys that were getting chopped up in the water.
3:49:22Right.
3:49:22It's kind of a different twist to give medals to folks who've been doing a big job here at home.
3:49:27Right.
3:49:43I just don't want to see them myself.
3:50:16Oh, you know that?
3:50:16It's an R of a billion.
3:50:18It's so funny.
3:50:19It's just...
3:50:19I just can't take this old man.
3:50:25Did he talk to all his business people?
3:50:28All right, sure.
3:50:29It would be all right.
3:50:30He used to see Eisenhower in great appeal.
3:50:32He spent a few months and three years all out.
3:50:35He forgets the plane ride, and I'm not a good path, and the church.
3:50:41He did that sort of crap, and I just thought he was going to work and break it down here and there.
3:50:57It's too bad.
3:50:58It is too bad.
3:51:02But we do not, as you guys have to sit through that stuff, but we do not do, like I said, we create a credit box.
3:51:10We don't have as much of that as we used to.
3:51:44Well, think of that, in terms of the telephone call, he did as many phone calls or more during Bryce's time, but it was to the same guys, every time, after every vote.
3:51:55Same thing, every time he had a vote, he wanted them, he just wanted to call them and thank them for the vote, and they came to expect it, too.
3:52:07Well, it became routine, it became, yeah, so what?
3:52:10It doesn't really mean that.
3:52:12And they also got a letter, remember?
3:52:13They get a call and a letter.
3:52:16In a lot of cases.
3:52:17Albrightson was great.
3:52:19That's the way he did it.
3:52:20It's an old way to do it.
3:52:21I think these things are...
3:52:29The huge thing that's all set about him is that he's going to go completely out of his mind.
3:52:35He's changing his mind.
3:52:37He's having a different...
3:53:06He is really not cut out to be an aide, you know, in that sense, because an aide requires flammability, and the willingness to be, not to be personal, you know, I mean, not to have any personal relationship, the dog's not that kind of following, he's warm-hearted, and over-conscientious, he just, you know, he shouldn't keep things in perspective.
3:53:37And it's bothered him because of that.
3:53:41But he's done a hell of a good job.
3:53:46You know his office has made a very enormous change in the shift in the whole AIDS operation.
3:53:50You know what a knock-in for those brothers and women.
3:53:53He's done that.
3:53:55A lot of things like, you know, twos.
3:53:57He's working on things like arrivals.
3:54:00He does a lot of that.
3:54:01All of that.
3:54:02Well, he does much better than that.
3:54:05But it's also, he pulled all the support stuff under one thing, so he controls the whole business of, and there's no inter-service competition, there used to be, you know, Eisenhower, there used to be a battle between the ages, who would get to him first with intelligence reports, stuff like that, and each service was playing its own game, using the idea here to do it.
3:54:23The other thing is that he used to give many times, and he's also, you know, this little service we have,
3:54:36They just love it.
3:54:40They should.
3:54:41He's put together a damn good operation.
3:54:50He's got it set so he can turn it over and it's going to go well.
3:55:01The new guy won't be a dime use at all.
3:55:06It'll work.
3:55:07Yeah.
3:55:08It'll fall in the woodwork, which is just as well.
3:55:12Because it's easier to work, because it's not stuck up so well.
3:55:15Yeah.
3:55:15Is he going to Austin, Texas?
3:55:21That's a good question.
3:55:24And whatever Air Force is based there, the 6th Air Force or something.
3:55:29Of course, he covers the whole south.
3:55:32west of the United States or something, but he's headquartered there.
3:55:36He has to make a big deal over the whole side of the market.
3:55:46It was unintended.
3:55:47He moves out, I don't know whether that air force moves to Asia or whether he moves to a different command at a certain point, but he heads on out of it.
3:56:03Thank you very much.
3:57:04And then, of course, you've got the situation.
3:57:06Mine just stopped making features of the same thing true.
3:57:10With these consulars for the president, the bench operation is silly.
3:57:13We should never have created jobs for consulars for the president.
3:57:18You know, we did it for that person, for that damn artist.
3:57:20It was just a fact to put out there.
3:57:22But, remember, when we got him, we turned out to be one of the worst appointments in the country.
3:57:29That was a way to get, you know...
3:57:53And so, that'll be good.
3:57:54You get rid of that.
3:57:56Running, you keep this consul on the ground.
3:57:59Right, yeah.
3:58:00Yeah, but you agree.
3:58:02Yeah, but we will not have any more consuls.
3:58:04You agree.
3:58:05You don't pay that price.
3:58:07You don't want to come to that.
3:58:10Expanding the cabinet press was never a very good idea.
3:58:14Well, the fact that you need to crack it.
3:58:16And yet the David Kennedy problem, a lot of that, you bother yourself with a lot of that.
3:58:20I still got Kennedy there, haven't I?
3:58:21Yeah.
3:58:21Every Kennedy is not going to be here that much.
3:58:23It's going to be over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
3:58:40What he really wants, the job he really wants, is not what you want.
3:58:45That's why I thought that the Schoetzel post, Marshall, no, Schoetzel is a European economic problem.
3:58:57You know, in Brussels.
3:59:00And he said, you know, you have a hell of a team.
3:59:04He sent me over there.
3:59:05He had Dave Kennedy there, and he had me there at the economic thing.
3:59:09He had Charles Cepede there as ambassador.
3:59:15And R. So we tried and stuff.
3:59:17Well, I told him that that was just fine.
3:59:21I knew that would be nice for him.
3:59:22So, of course, you were at one iota.
3:59:25You're re-elected.
3:59:28And that I felt that there were a lot of ways here, and I wasn't clear as to what they were, but there had to be ways here that he would be able to realize.
3:59:37We have a void in the foreign policy political, the domestic political area as it relates to foreign policy.
3:59:46Foreign policy is the single most important factor in the domestic political situation.
3:59:51We don't have anybody who crosses those lines, and who can be what Alan said earlier, which is a guy to fight the battle, or to...
4:00:03Ja.
4:00:03Ja.
4:00:22with the understanding that that was not a permanent job, and that when that was over, we'd work for it, something like the shuttle posts, or the parts-of-use posts, or something like that.
4:00:37He's worried about that if he takes a job like that, that he'll bury himself in the machinery somewhere and never get seen again.
4:00:43He felt that he kind of did that last time, when he ended up in his cellar on the ground up.
4:00:49Yeah, he sure did.
4:00:51Yeah.
4:00:53Well, he would not be in the White House.
4:00:55He'd be outside.
4:00:59Whether you put him into the Colson area, kind of a thing in the White House, or in the campaign organization outside.
4:01:09I don't think, I'm not sure.
4:01:11He's got to think about it, and I told him I'd think about it.
4:01:13Let's see if we can work this out now.
4:01:16But if we did it, we'd have to...
4:01:20Maybe the Shuttle thing is a good job for him.
4:01:22Maybe getting a loyalist hire is worthwhile.
4:01:25We've got to get Shuttle out anyway.
4:01:30But we can leave in there until the election.
4:01:31Why do they call it leave the election?
4:01:34Well, if you wanted to post it out.
4:01:37Unless you wanted to just let out and go take it now.
4:01:41Well, it may be to be sure.
4:01:48They all tell me to chuck the ball at the end of the last kick out of there.
4:01:56It's a thousand pages of murder.
4:02:03You can't.
4:02:06I would guess so.
4:02:09If we'll fuss out of it and give up, probably.
4:02:22Just depends if somebody decides to make an issue out of it, he probably could make an effective issue and screw it up.
4:02:29He's actually a pilot.
4:02:32Yeah, I mean, you're a pilot, but he's better than Terry.
4:02:36He's better.
4:02:36He's not being intelligent.
4:02:39He's not scary.
4:02:40He's sort of a red flag.
4:02:42Yeah.
4:02:46Thank you for watching!

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