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So we can move on.

11.30 tomorrow is my first one.

I may go at about 8 o'clock.

Thank you.

I guess he kinda wants it.

I think he does too.

Why is it?

He just likes to move around.

Well, it's, he likes that, I don't know, I can't, for the life of me, I mean, it's fine, but I think he likes that, you know, making a case to turn it, make a sale to get it around.

Yeah, this is a good one.

What are you doing this time?

What was the last time you saw me?

One other thought on the point of all, I think, that I don't, it's a toss-up, I believe, if you want to consider it or not, but we had a talkers' course at, which came up with the thing that me was, I don't know if it was the illness was serious and all that sort of thing and stuff, but that

He observed that neither the White House nor labor needed to love each other or even like one another to understand the point that he believes.

The president understands that the labor movement is an essential part of what we hold in our society together.

He said that the only people who understood

Understood later in the Glee concept were George Shultz and Chuck Colson.

He railed repeatedly against Secretary Connolly.

He said, Connolly's always been that way, very proud of it, persistent in saying how they believe, and that's where our real fight is with Connolly.

But then, he says, what comes through from the atmosphere and presentation meetings reported bedside views is a bizarre dissonance on how passionate he's up with the president at the same time he stays at base.

He concedes that his treatment of the president of Miami was not helpful.

He attributes this to a fiercely overactive schedule and subsequent tension and even worse truculence than is normal for him.

He said the box of cigars the president sent him as a Christmas gift, it was very thoughtful.

I wish he'd also had the time to call and say hello.

In other words, it seems to me he would dearly love to have a call from the press inquiring into his health, that he doesn't want to initiate any gesture that will be considered reconciliation, because he doesn't want to be held up as a doddering thing, which some of his enemies have already used as a factor.

Yeah, well, he came back to his comeback report.

After we got this report, Schultz and John O'Connell, who's in contact with me and is very close to him, had just talked with me,

This was a couple of days ago.

He was back in the office.

He had just left the doctor and had just had a check-up, a recent check-up.

The doctor confirmed that he did have a very rough heart attack, but he gave him now a clean bill of health.

He said he has come back very strong physically, and has a very good mental attitude.

He's planning to come to the productivity commission meeting on February 2nd.

which they're having over Congress, I guess, having a trigger.

O'Connell thinks that Meany feels that he could have dealt with Schultz or the president on all these things, but he blames Hodgson and Connolly

This is, O'Connell didn't have any of this other input, you know.

He said there's no question that he would respond to a phone call from the president that a gesture of personal goodwill would mean a lot to him.

However, he will, he made it clear that he is going to try to defeat us, but he's not nearly as mad as he sounded, and he's not blown that worry away.

He suggested another possibility might be for Shultz to go over with the budget and all, and give him a briefing on a special defense activity, the fact that, you know, we're building that up.

And this guy makes the point that he has a semi-alliance with the Republican right wing, which he knows he has, with China, defense, communism, that sort of stuff.

And it might be good to play through him in regard to that.

And he's on the top of the wave at the moment, in his own experience.

He was very late in his time, he was just out for a few quarters, and they were going to let him play golf, but I had almost been as long as him.

No, but the thought, you heard that he's getting better, and you're delighted to hear that, and you thought you might find it helpful to have George Schultz sit down with him and spend some time on the budget, particularly what we're doing in the defense area, and if so, you'd be glad to send Schultz over.

That would give you a specific time to talk about it, if you want to call him, and it's a hard thing to do.

Scanlon had some interesting observations on that.

I was just thinking, I wish we had a fellow who was upholstered, who was down to earth as quick...

I can remember Mr. President in the early 60s having debates with him

Just sitting over a drink late at night and arguing with him.

I've always, he and I have been friends personally.

It's always an opportunity.

And how far he has come in ten years, as he just said to me walking out of the office, he said, well, he said, I can say one thing.

He said, you've done this to me, Coulson.

He said, I can say one thing, that I wouldn't vote for any Democrat today.

And he said, I can think of a number that I wouldn't vote for, in fact, against this man.

And he said, you're going to make me the hell of a lot of crow, but I very well may pull that lever for Richard Mason.

He did a hell of a job on it.

Well, he was tremendously impressed with that ending.

As he said to me, he said, there wasn't a single word the president uttered that I didn't agree with.

And he said, I guess I go a little further than he did.

Which was kind of...

But he...

His closing appeal, Mr. President, was that he said, after listening to that, and he said, after listening to Al Barkin, who's one of his close friends, and listening to George Mayne, he said, God, he said, you fellas were on the right track, and find a way to get back with him, because he said they

They won't be for you, but if they really understood how this man felt, they couldn't be against you.

Of course, he does a lot of talking around town.

I suspect that...

They have to be against you to take a chance to solve it.

Yeah, there's a degree of... To take a chance to solve it.

Sure there is.

I mean, he can't come back and be for you.

Never.

There's no way.

But there is sure a way that he can avoid being affected.

Yes, he can avoid anything trying to beat the others over the head.

It's a hard force then to be against just as much as he is to write about.

I wish he came to the venue because it was a very interesting conversation.

He makes one point, though, Bob, that he makes this point.

He said, I think you should know that your administration is not going to be strong enough.

I've told this to her ten times, and he doesn't believe me.

I just asked you... You know, I talked to John about it.

I said, John, they don't know where we stand on busing.

They don't know where we stand on busing.

They do, but... Well, on what they do, it's a long order.

Scatterhousing, yeah.

Dick just, I said to Dick, well, what would you do if you were us?

He said, you have an opportunity that is unique, because the Democrats can't do it.

He said, you could oppose scatterhousing,

And you can stop what HUD is doing, and you can be for a constitutional amendment.

I'm bussing, and he said if you do that, there isn't any way that any Democrat can touch you, except soup checks.

Because none of them... Soup can't go that way.

Well, he can't go that way.

Let's do it.

He'd sell it.

Yeah, but he... Well, maybe not as far as...

He's not vulnerable.

I think we may have to take...

I don't know how to take it wrongly, but maybe...

Hello?

And he's not serious.

Absolutely.

So am I.

And I see why.

You can see what advantage that is.

Oh, absolutely.

He's got a strong tongue, and people think he's Jewish, which helps a hell of a lot.

And he's Jewish.

And I think that's great.

Well, that'd be spectacular.

With one set of instructions, and that is to stop all these goddamned... No problem.

And that's the duty of Cap Langer.

It's also the danger of him.

If you give instructions, he carries them out.

That's right.

But it's...

The symbolism of the wrong explanation might not be back.

The scammer, Mr. President, can develop an argument that is...

superior intellectually to anything I've ever listened to on this busing thing.

He said, everybody's approaching it the wrong way.

He said, it's really white supremacy.

He said, the Richmond decision is white supremacy.

It is saying that we're not going to let the Negroes in the inner city of Richmond have their own school district.

We're going to insist on bringing enough whites in so that the whites are always in control.

We will never let a minority achieve its...

He draws the analogy with Canada, where the Roman Catholic minority is given total control of their own school system, because they don't want to be dominated by the majority.

And that's the way they've kept total harmony between races that have, or religions that have, a greater dichotomy than the blacks and the whites.

But he can develop a hell of a case that twists that issue right all the way, 180 degrees.

And he said, that's why half the blacks opposed it.

Exactly.

I think he didn't know that he favors the exemption for private schools.

No, too.

That's why we're going to get a comment here tomorrow.

But you know, Bob, we've got to fight these things.

I know it's hard, damn hard, where John says, John Ervin, because I know his views are kosher, but it's hard where he says, you know, take all of it, because we basically should have been, goddammit, what this city thinks about these issues is wrong.

You agree or not?

Absolutely, but I'm wrong.

Yeah, but I will start about my own issue, because I'm basically pretty much of a racist.

I'm against, and I'm not racist, I'm anti-integrity, just because I'm opposed to integration, so I've got a problem.

Well, then leave it to me, because I hired the first...

Negro in a Boston Warframe that broke the color line.

I have nothing against whites and whites philosophically.

I have nothing against them on the merits.

I'm against integration for the sake of integration.

What kind of integration?

Integration above education.

I am not anti-black at all.

Far more pro-black than most integrations are.

But yeah, at least we treat them like human beings.

They want you to act like a patriot, but I also recognize the fact that a lot of them aren't human.

A lot of them are goddamn animals.

But they won't admit that, because of some white animals.

I'm over at Sadie Scammon's view, and I asked him if he'd write this up for me and give me a paper, which he's beautiful writing.

He said to me when we were walking back, he said,

Why did the president ask me in?

And I said, I think just to get your views taken.

I must say, it's a huge and quiet moment.

I should have talked with John Herman, and I'll be talking to him too.

And I think we're going to have to fight the bullet out.

I just think we have got to preempt that issue.

He doesn't have got anything to preempt.

But the Carter-Waite trip, that's over people's heads.

People think that's probably just being go out by the Carter-Waite's, and it builds your credibility, but it...

The point still is, are you going to force the suburbs to interfere around you?

And are you going to force the little black kids to go through the little white kids around you?

If you are, then they're going to like it.

If you're not, then that's fine.

And that's a very clearly understandable issue to people personally, where the court tends to be a separate movement.

And what the court rulings are in Charlotte, if in their own city, some husband guy or H.E.W.

guy has come in and ordered their kid to get on a bus at 5 o'clock in the morning and ride for two hours to go to a black school.

But there's many of the other things, Mr. President, that if Judge Merge's decision is upheld in Richmond in the Supreme Court, and it's coming up before the election, then it doesn't matter who you appoint to that court.

That's worse, because that's the Nixon court that endorsed it.

The other thing is the bomb we have hanging.

That is a real problem.

I've read the Ed Martin thing, which says, you know, there's probably much you can do about it.

I mean, you know, it is hard to determine.

Basically what I mean, I'm just going to treat it as solely a COVID political issue.

One of the problems there is if you're on the train in general, you won't be there long.

But he'll still be a very strong influence over there.

His spirit will be there.

But what the hell, he doesn't want to.

But I think that's something that if they follow the law, you're going to want to spend some time with my people.

I will.

Well, they've just got to get a...

I mean, they've just got to remember that the law may be the law, but we've got to get this issue granted.

We've served the issue.

Well, the only...

The wisdom of the...

I mean, the merit of the constitutional amendment is that you can say you respect the law as long as the law, but you think the people have an opportunity to speak to the constitutional issue.

And if that's the way they wish it to be, fine.

It is the most...

Dicta said it's the most democratic solution, because we've amended the Constitution many times for issues that really have had less significance to people, less importance to people.

And that this is why we have a class that's like this.

It's a good point, you know.

And it's a populist...

This affects schools and houses, so why isn't that as important as the issue of health care?

It's everyone's community and education.

And you're talking about

You know, two of the most important elements of their lives.

Kind of get some power in me, you know.

Kind of encourage somebody to come up with some hard law.

I was tested.

Wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

I didn't know a lot of that.

Except for two of them.

You know they got them.

You know, they, I mean, they started a...

I was glad to see that some of our youth movement stuff began to get some play here.

I noticed that they had the group in.

I liked it.

I thought that was great.

I heard so many hands and elbows on that.

I noticed something had been done.

They proposed that we would come in and meet with you.

They were there, but we publicly, for the purpose of trying to make them do that, we got to get them tied in in some other way.

Well, we got Kissinger and Finch in and talked to them, and they had a good hour, and it was a good tour of the White House.

They went away happy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, we forget how many guns like that we have to use, too, and we don't have to have the president first.

That's right.

For those people who didn't spend a little time with him, it gets harder to walk in every place.

Yeah, it would.

Well, I just can't be available for everything.

The, uh...

But I, the, uh...

I would certainly say it's based on what the first two days' reactions to the January 25th speech had a much greater emotional reaction.

It's the same thing.

Is that correct?

Absolutely.

Very, very good.

Those who say you copped out, and those who say you won't cop out.

Carl McIntyre.

Yeah.

Well, you've turned that into a big center section of public service.

Oh, that's very strong evidence, except for the mouse, McIntyre.

I don't know if you read the New York Times piece by Finney this morning, suggesting that the White House was orchestrating the line.

All of the senators, he said the Republican senators have drawn the issue now very clear, that any Democrat who now is opposed to the president's policy is advocating surrender.

They've made the issue clear, and that's the very first step.

Stay on it.

I got the wires in yesterday afternoon when Humphrey and Muskie spoke and I may have overreacted I got our guys putting out

vitriolic statements.

And then the press didn't, which was out for the same thing in the papers, and the press did not play the Democrats half as hard as they read them over the wire.

I mean, neither the Post nor the Times gave them as much negative support.

There was much more wired stuff.

Yeah.

You read that.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

Then what was picked up on the papers?

Yeah, on the answers.

Sure.

So we'll get hard on it.

The language is in charge.

Oh, it's a lot of fun on an issue like this.

I was the only person at dinner last night in front of Mr. President who didn't realize that we'd be gone.

I guess where my table was situated or something.

He didn't tell us the question.

A lot of people didn't.

I think that Rosa didn't tell us the question.

Well, I thought it was someone imitating me.

He didn't even think it was a table.

No, I thought it was someone imitating me.

Yeah?

But we couldn't, we were right down front.

It was very hard to hear.

That was the problem.

Well, she didn't.

You know what she did?

She walked over and handed Henry the phone, and there was a lot of talk going on.

But she said something on the phone.

She said something on the phone.

Apparently she didn't.

We didn't.

The first thing that caught my attention was the voice that sounded like yours.

Well, it could have been right in the press, at least that.

I think you could add one point that he stood by you or he supported you.

You were against all of the Mansfield amendments.

They did very strongly.

And now that this has all been revealed, we just want to say thanks for your support in that area.

But you couldn't tell them before, you couldn't tell anyone before what was happening.

You know, this announcement this weekend... You didn't say anything at all against Mansfield.

No, but it has to make you feel pretty good.

Because anybody who stood with you

It kind of looks to see a lot of people eating crude.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, it keeps up with the fatness of this bottle, I must say.

It would be so ironic that we would sit here, believing as I do, and allow a soft-headed attitude on a social issue.

I mean, we did sit here to cross, but you agree?

Yep.

Goddamn, I fought too many battles on this thing.

Childcare, retail, everything else.

I don't know what it takes to get it across, but... Well, Scammon makes two points, Mr. President.

They're both equally important.

One is that it's hard to make the social issue national.

And be responsible.

And the second point is that the only areas in which the federal government really can do it, and crime is a local problem, you can talk about it, but sometimes you can overhit on that one, and it backfires.

The only two areas in which the program really is legitimately in is education and housing.

And there he does some good stuff.

And there's still a lot of work to be done.

Oh, sure.

But thanks.

We'll work on that a little bit.

But we'll keep our doctors up on the ground.

Well, that's fine.

Thanks very much.

Tomorrow night, we'll get ready to drive us to the place.

That's right.

We'll go out and all over again later.

You know, your Reader's Digest thing came out, right?

Yes.

That issue with your thing on... Yeah, it came out.

It came right the day of your speech, which wasn't...

Nothing was planned that way, but it all meshed together rather neatly.

It was an interesting point about John Wayne movies, wasn't it?

Yeah.

I was happy he'd been number one through all these years.

Because it is a serious thing in the country that we make.

Yet we do know, and you see where Jackson has tackled it through Florida's reversions,

Before this campaign, every person who works in our staff must read it.

Because the goddamnedest of all won't call that certain line as jazza.

But basically, in the campaign, we had very good members.

But if you read the effort, folks will find...

I just gave a scandal like that to the news system.

Yeah.

She'll get a good ride next week, though, because Russ is on that committee in Berlin.

Yeah.

You know, the reason the book isn't selling, and it is because it's hanging in a company's footage, is that it's a conspiracy of the viewers and the booksellers.

They just aren't going to put that book out.

No, it's got... No, the basic premise presently is that the publisher was the second Ray Mikeshine, and he wouldn't gamble on big business.

And when he stole that, he couldn't supply the reorders.

I mean, we know that for a fact.

But they did publish and have sold 22,000 copies.

Dick only sold 35,000, the real majority.

I know.

The sale of about 25,000 books was one hell of a lot.

And it's the publicity that you get out of it, really.

Count, she's been on it for days, she's been on it for years.

She's got the broadcaster's shirt up, which is absurd.

It doesn't be.

They know...

And I think the front of it, I think the crystal, the third crystal was out of the way.

Probably had more effect than the first one.

It was beautifully done.

Now that was it, yes.

That we did get about 50,000 around the country.

There's a lot of stuff that we're getting out that I'm not aware of, or happy about.

Well, I guess that I just...

This is a hell of a 50,000 that went around.

Why did we get them out?

That's how we did that.

That's what we had to do.

Some of these people were kind of like, it's like, yeah, the H people can't do it.

That's what's wrong.

It's got to be put in a simple, real practical, and I try to don't put it like, just like that first, did you ever get to read the first one?

No.

Because basically, that isn't the way to write it.

You've got to get it in a simple way.

It's got to be said.

We're not going to let you do this.

Don't worry so much about this oversimplified one.

Don't worry about it if you haven't put in Henry's eighth point or the seventh point.

His first draft had all eight points, and I'm going to read all eight points, which would have taken me five minutes to that broadcast.

I said, no, Henry, I mean, oh, not only that, I'm going to read it there, and I'm going to put it down there and set it up in R.A.

I said, Henry, you can't do it, but he said, well, it's very important because we've got to keep the whole record.

I said, you cover it.

I'm going to cover it.

My dad's not free.

Well, we'll have to do a quick edit in there.

You know, it's so that we put you in the position of an average guy that's out there and trying to answer the question.

And what does he need to know about these things?

Okay.

Simple answer to the questions of the opposition.

Well, it's establishing the basic point that you have done everything that anybody could possibly do.

It should be that, actually.

And the...

Any Raquel's expenses on the side of North Vietnamese or our critics?

Good point.

Good.

How are we coming to a new level?

Yes, sir.

I think I'll go to David's side.

Fine.

Yes, please.

There's a couple of domestic shots they're proposing.

They'd like to get you together and announce the appointment of the cancer panel as a way to make a story of the cancer program.

Do we want to keep pushing that?

What they've got is a couple of guys, doctors, that are going to go on the panel.

And I think that's just great that I have done it.

And I can't walk out again and do that.

I did that and I can't.

And it's great that no one wants you to walk out, though.

What they want to do is have you meet with them and just allow a press photo opportunity over the meeting.

You'd have to spend half an hour on it.

It's just then it was meant, you know, that the head guy that you've already gotten, then it would be, all right, a leukemia guy, and then, okay, but just make it damn short.

No more than a half hour.

We're saying 20 minutes, but I'm trying to understand what it means a half hour.

What in the hell is Daryl Bailey doing?

Daryl Bailey is, that's why she's getting the heart of the year.

Whatever that is.

The thing that Elmer Bogues got for somebody that...

So that's on Friday.

It means we have to stay here.

No, we can do it if you want to.

We can do it Thursday.

I think it would be a good idea, Bob.

We were holding for an office press conference on Thursday.

Did you do it?

Did you do an office press conference?

Did you do it in the afternoon?

In the early afternoon.

That's right.

I think we can get rid of her away later.

Get her out of the way, say, four o'clock.

Yeah.

Friday, I might want you to go to the camp A position, or B.

Let's keep Friday open.

I really want you to do that, as we get closer to this.

The following Monday, I think you do want to do this.

This is, again, we'll make a story, it's 15 minutes of your time.

On the U.S. attorneys that they're bringing all of them in on the drug program, you could crack down on drug trafficking.

Is that it, or what?

That's what we like.

It's a good jump, though, isn't it?

It is bumping for our time.

Yeah.

But all of our domestic programming is so hard to get to play.

The question is, what is the reception to the end?

So what does it turn out to be?

Why do you come in or not?

Yeah, I haven't seen...

I'll get it checked.

You've got a good man in charge.

Yeah, and it's...

I don't think there's seven, you know, in there.

The number is about, I just want to say this is that, I just want to say this is good, good people, good people.

It's to be an early, just a chance for you to say hello to them.

Would it not be your advantage then, or why is it?

No.

Would it not be your advantage rather than being at 8, 7 o'clock?

You know, by the time you sit there, I mean, so, then you get out of the order of your businesses.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'm not sure, whatever it is, but I would still be hurt if you sat at 7 rather than 8.

leadership conference seminar group in town.

A question of whether you want to go over the top and shake hands with them or greet them or something.

They're going to be here from February 6th to February 9th in that government affairs leadership seminar.

People who are doing, who will be here are guys that are presidents who will leave office in June.

So there are guys that we are going to work on organizing now.

We'll let them make money out of it.

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Don't let the volunteers get out of hand.

I'm interested in the program, but I know how they just crap all over you.

So could we keep that going?

They don't need to worry about people.

On the long-range stuff, and these people are trying to get the business that we are stuck with settled,

Yeah.

Arrow, now.

We went back and forth, and I think incidentally, I decided to knock the Canadian off again.

So, that's all.

Go to Canada.

That's right.

You have a hell of a time.

I'm truly excited.

John wants to do it.

I'm just not going to do it.

Just post-polling.

I just can't work it out.

I'm going to put it that way.

I'm going to bring it up and walk it.

I can do it.

I'm not saying that, but we're going to take some retaliatory action against Canada and Asia and some of their stuff.

I don't mean to be sure that we'll get picked up there, and I'm just not going to go up there and take that crap.

If you wouldn't, then I'm sure you'd let her come on us.

Well, go ahead.

The term, you don't care, I don't think.

But it doesn't have to be too fancy, the term.

Probably we have to give them a day.

All right.

But the one day is it, so.

It's a one day.

We're going to mark it one day.

But it is a state visit.

I mean, your thing is one day.

All right.

Okay, well, being that for March 23rd is what they want to do.

Well, this is good, really, to ever get a Thursday.

Well, that's what I've written in here.

It says Tuesday, so it's the count of Thursdays, right?

We want to keep Thursdays Wednesday and Thursdays over every week.

And Fridays, so you can fix it on the weekend.

Fridays, so I go to the weekend and do things Monday and Tuesday.

Monday and Tuesday are going to be thoroughly scheduled, right?

But keep Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, go to do that.

Not a good idea to put here.

But we didn't have all the signs.

Thank you.

Okay.

I don't care.

Okay, now the other one is at your very, very approach in June.

You said to hold until after Moscow.

Yeah, that's right.

And our thought now is not to make any commitment to him, but we'll tentative, for our planning purposes, figure out really in the middle of June.

All right.

We'll wait until December.

Hold it on that.

Do you want to reopen the thought, the thing you raised of the TV anchorman?

We had tentatively scheduled one.

The George Putnam couch.

No, we've never done one.

Oh, around the country, we've got them all the time.

Guys for a reception.

And we made up a list, and we were set to do it, and then over the next ten years, we decided to move off and get an early dinner for them or something.

We thought this would have been for a briefing, and then just a receiving line at the end of the day.

And we get individual pictures with them.

But I don't know whether you still want to try to do that.

Well, I think it's a good idea.

We've just got the TV anchor, and radio, and this job.

We've got about a hundred of them.

It's a good idea.

Disinterestingly, on the ground, I thought, really dangerous, you know, to take your own life over.

Yes.

But I don't know how to do it.

But he did not know how to do it.

It's a very, very personal thing.

Well, many things are just personal, what we do.

But then what we try to do on the ground is to get in the ass, but I just don't want to do the rhythm.

Then what we should do is have, do something nice to flow, you know.

It takes a place of it to figure that out.

What's the negative and the evil.

Maybe I need a better point of view.

I want to argue that some day.

Well, we are.

Congress is out.

There's no problem with the White House's response, the White House's targeters, the people who follow me for response.

I'm not going to delete any of those.

They're done.

I don't care who you press.

I've done all of them before.

Maybe I'd have worked for it if it hadn't fallen.

But I was just thinking that being gone, and the way we keep being out of the country, was there any one of those things that did require going out of the country in that period?

I don't know.

We had that thing with Rogers, he says that can't work in San Francisco, the Latin American game.

So there's no way to do it except here.

They don't want to do it there.

I'm sure the comments can go on how you understand.

That is a hard thing.

But it doesn't have to tie to the other.

It's a separate event.

All right.

You're obviously down for that.

All right.

You're down.

All right.

But if there's anything in the way of having to do a visit, I'll be telling you a lot.

I'm going to talk about having to tag that onto the starting line, putting it back on motion.

On Iran, we've got an ambassador for the Soviet Union, and it's basically their state-informed service post.

Rogers is recommending Waters, Watters, Cecil, or Herman Meyer, or Herman Eilert, who is now trying to be advisor at the War College, or Bill Sullivan, Henry,

Oscar Sullivan as a way to get him out of the Southeast Asia business.

Good.

And he takes Cecil as second judge.

Okay.

He takes Sullivan.

Mm-hmm.

He's got to bring Meyer back.

He's been out a long time.

Yeah.

Well, that's just...

It might have already been a cluster here until I saw it, but I was glad to be able to send it back.

The latest recommendation for you is that we should schedule you for an address before a black organization.

I don't understand why.

We've never done an address before a black organization.

He's talking about a scheduled speech to some kind of national black community purpose.

Well, his purpose is that against Muskie, the blacks will come over.

He's the weakest Democrat against Muskie.

I mean, Muskie is the weakest Democrat with the blacks.

That's why he does a little of the white, but they show you getting 21% of the blacks.

Against Muskie, we're in the end.

He says we shouldn't throw those votes away through inaction.

Also, 47% of the blacks oppose busing.

So if the middle class black voter is reachable, we should try.

I don't mind that.

It won't hurt the president to give a dignified, mildly hard-hitting speech before a prominent black audience.

Okay, look for a bit farther.

Yeah, yeah.

There's a Negro college on this.

Textbook is my wife.

These were to go to, you know, heroes.

People that...

A guy born without legs who spent three years helping amputees, and then medical minister, and then working with oriental diseases, and then with an adoption program just for raising children.

It started building the volunteer types on the way back.

Well, that's what it is.

It plays off of that.

All right.

What they were talking about is that the first batch we ought to do was a ceremony of some kind, and do a half a dozen of them, and then from then on we just do the rest on a less formal basis to get the local publicity out of it.

Have a cabin officer go out, or watch a leader Christian, so they can do that, or something.

Alright, well, let's do it.

Let's do it.

It's a good thing that Mark Street set up a little East Room ceremony.

Right.

It also focuses away from it.

It kind of has a good play off the congressional medals.

You know, we used to go over there and give medals to guys that were getting chopped up in the water.

Right.

It's kind of a different twist to give medals to folks who've been doing a big job here at home.

Right.

I just don't want to see them myself.

Oh, you know that?

It's an R of a billion.

It's so funny.

It's just...

I just can't take this old man.

Did he talk to all his business people?

All right, sure.

It would be all right.

He used to see Eisenhower in great appeal.

He spent a few months and three years all out.

He forgets the plane ride, and I'm not a good path, and the church.

He did that sort of crap, and I just thought he was going to work and break it down here and there.

It's too bad.

It is too bad.

But we do not, as you guys have to sit through that stuff, but we do not do, like I said, we create a credit box.

We don't have as much of that as we used to.

Well, think of that, in terms of the telephone call, he did as many phone calls or more during Bryce's time, but it was to the same guys, every time, after every vote.

Same thing, every time he had a vote, he wanted them, he just wanted to call them and thank them for the vote, and they came to expect it, too.

Well, it became routine, it became, yeah, so what?

It doesn't really mean that.

And they also got a letter, remember?

They get a call and a letter.

In a lot of cases.

Albrightson was great.

That's the way he did it.

It's an old way to do it.

I think these things are...

The huge thing that's all set about him is that he's going to go completely out of his mind.

He's changing his mind.

He's having a different...

He is really not cut out to be an aide, you know, in that sense, because an aide requires flammability, and the willingness to be, not to be personal, you know, I mean, not to have any personal relationship, the dog's not that kind of following, he's warm-hearted, and over-conscientious, he just, you know, he shouldn't keep things in perspective.

And it's bothered him because of that.

But he's done a hell of a good job.

You know his office has made a very enormous change in the shift in the whole AIDS operation.

You know what a knock-in for those brothers and women.

He's done that.

A lot of things like, you know, twos.

He's working on things like arrivals.

He does a lot of that.

All of that.

Well, he does much better than that.

But it's also, he pulled all the support stuff under one thing, so he controls the whole business of, and there's no inter-service competition, there used to be, you know, Eisenhower, there used to be a battle between the ages, who would get to him first with intelligence reports, stuff like that, and each service was playing its own game, using the idea here to do it.

The other thing is that he used to give many times, and he's also, you know, this little service we have,

They just love it.

They should.

He's put together a damn good operation.

He's got it set so he can turn it over and it's going to go well.

The new guy won't be a dime use at all.

It'll work.

Yeah.

It'll fall in the woodwork, which is just as well.

Because it's easier to work, because it's not stuck up so well.

Yeah.

Is he going to Austin, Texas?

That's a good question.

And whatever Air Force is based there, the 6th Air Force or something.

Of course, he covers the whole south.

west of the United States or something, but he's headquartered there.

He has to make a big deal over the whole side of the market.

It was unintended.

He moves out, I don't know whether that air force moves to Asia or whether he moves to a different command at a certain point, but he heads on out of it.

Thank you very much.

And then, of course, you've got the situation.

Mine just stopped making features of the same thing true.

With these consulars for the president, the bench operation is silly.

We should never have created jobs for consulars for the president.

You know, we did it for that person, for that damn artist.

It was just a fact to put out there.

But, remember, when we got him, we turned out to be one of the worst appointments in the country.

That was a way to get, you know...

And so, that'll be good.

You get rid of that.

Running, you keep this consul on the ground.

Right, yeah.

Yeah, but you agree.

Yeah, but we will not have any more consuls.

You agree.

You don't pay that price.

You don't want to come to that.

Expanding the cabinet press was never a very good idea.

Well, the fact that you need to crack it.

And yet the David Kennedy problem, a lot of that, you bother yourself with a lot of that.

I still got Kennedy there, haven't I?

Yeah.

Every Kennedy is not going to be here that much.

It's going to be over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

What he really wants, the job he really wants, is not what you want.

That's why I thought that the Schoetzel post, Marshall, no, Schoetzel is a European economic problem.

You know, in Brussels.

And he said, you know, you have a hell of a team.

He sent me over there.

He had Dave Kennedy there, and he had me there at the economic thing.

He had Charles Cepede there as ambassador.

And R. So we tried and stuff.

Well, I told him that that was just fine.

I knew that would be nice for him.

So, of course, you were at one iota.

You're re-elected.

And that I felt that there were a lot of ways here, and I wasn't clear as to what they were, but there had to be ways here that he would be able to realize.

We have a void in the foreign policy political, the domestic political area as it relates to foreign policy.

Foreign policy is the single most important factor in the domestic political situation.

We don't have anybody who crosses those lines, and who can be what Alan said earlier, which is a guy to fight the battle, or to...

Ja.

with the understanding that that was not a permanent job, and that when that was over, we'd work for it, something like the shuttle posts, or the parts-of-use posts, or something like that.

He's worried about that if he takes a job like that, that he'll bury himself in the machinery somewhere and never get seen again.

He felt that he kind of did that last time, when he ended up in his cellar on the ground up.

Yeah, he sure did.

Yeah.

Well, he would not be in the White House.

He'd be outside.

I don't know.

Whether you put him into the Colson area, kind of a thing in the White House, or in the campaign organization outside.

I don't think, I'm not sure.

He's got to think about it, and I told him I'd think about it.

Let's see if we can work this out now.

But if we did it, we'd have to...

Maybe the Shuttle thing is a good job for him.

I don't know.

Maybe getting a loyalist hire is worthwhile.

We've got to get Shuttle out anyway.

But we can leave in there until the election.

Why do they call it leave the election?

Well, if you wanted to post it out.

Unless you wanted to just let out and go take it now.

Well, it may be to be sure.

They all tell me to chuck the ball at the end of the last kick out of there.

It's a thousand pages of murder.

You can't.

I would guess so.

If we'll fuss out of it and give up, probably.

Just depends if somebody decides to make an issue out of it, he probably could make an effective issue and screw it up.

He's actually a pilot.

Yeah, I mean, you're a pilot, but he's better than Terry.

He's better.

He's not being intelligent.

He's not scary.

He's sort of a red flag.

Yeah.

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