{"conversationCode":"658-019","tapeNumber":658,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-658-019","startDateTime":"1972-01-27T19:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-27T19:23:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:20 PM","endDate":"27-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:23 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:20 pm and 2:23 pm. 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(“Ollie”) Atkins\n               -Bull’s responsibility\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:23 pm.","filename":["658a.mp3","658b.mp3","658c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:17:43","tapeEnd":"04:19:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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