{"conversationCode":"658-030","tapeNumber":658,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-658-030","startDateTime":"1972-01-27T20:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-27T20:13:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Jan-1972","startTime":"3:07 PM","endDate":"27-Jan-1972","endTime":"3:13 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On January 27, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:07 pm and 3:13 pm. 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Kissinger\n                                 -Briefing\n                           -John C. Stennis\n                           -Paul N. McCloskey, Jr.\n                                 -Collective bargaining\n                -Meany\n                     -Compared to business leaders","filename":["658a.mp3","658b.mp3","658c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:48:14","tapeEnd":"04:50:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"658-029","nextCode":"658-031","tapeTranscriptFile":"658a.mp3,658b.mp3,658c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":17275.88,"end":17277.38,"text":"Okay."},{"start":17277.51,"end":17279.08,"text":"Well, I'll tell you."},{"start":17279.1,"end":17280.61,"text":"I'll tell you what I'll do."},{"start":17280.63,"end":17281.81,"text":"I'll have their office."},{"start":17282.07,"end":17284.47,"text":"I'll get in touch with your secretary and set it up."},{"start":17284.57,"end":17288.51,"text":"And I just think that we've got to do it because it's supposed to be okay."},{"start":17289.96,"end":17290.24,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":17290.63,"end":17291.4,"text":"Always help."},{"start":17292.01,"end":17306.94,"text":"One thing I thought would be interesting to know, you know, I know that you, some of your friends probably took you to task for setting up some of those amendments down there, you know, the so-called deadline amendments, but do you now see why we had to fight?"},{"start":17307.42,"end":17313.14,"text":"Because we had to fight because we were in negotiations all the time, so it doesn't look so bad now."},{"start":17322.96,"end":17323.2,"text":"Oh."},{"start":17324.76,"end":17335.89,"text":"Chuck?"},{"start":17337.19,"end":17337.57,"text":"Chuck?"},{"start":17338.29,"end":17338.99,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":17339.45,"end":17346.44,"text":"Okay, back again."},{"start":17347.94,"end":17348.34,"text":"Be well."},{"start":17402.89,"end":17404.09,"text":"I'll just give you a back message."},{"start":17404.11,"end":17405.31,"text":"You want to stay in the 40-department?"},{"start":17405.4,"end":17406.18,"text":"I'm in the 40-department."},{"start":17407.06,"end":17408.69,"text":"Yeah, I'll be coming in just five minutes."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":17275.875,"end":17483.25,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman met to coordinate administrative scheduling and discuss George P. Shultz’s upcoming testimony. They evaluated the President's recent outreach to AFL-CIO leader George Meany, specifically analyzing Meany’s reaction and the potential for a follow-up meeting with Shultz. The conversation touched upon broader labor relations, including comparisons between labor leaders and business executives, alongside the political implications of recent legislative amendments.","topics":["George P. 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