{"conversationCode":"659-010","tapeNumber":659,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-659-010","startDateTime":"1972-01-28T19:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-28T19:51:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jan-1972","startTime":"2:24 PM","endDate":"28-Jan-1972","endTime":"2:51 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:24 pm to 2:51 pm. 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Weyerhaeuser\n                       -Wife\n                -Cancellation call from Nellie Connally\n                       -Attendance\n\n     Robert P. Griffin\n         -Letter\n         -Photograph\n\n     Influenza\n\n     Room temperature\n         -The President’s request of Manolo Sanchez\n\n     Dinner for Wallaces\n          -Seating arrangements\n                -Laurance S. and Mary Rockefeller\n                      -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis\n                -Charles A. and Anne (Morrow) Lindbergh\n                -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope\n                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n                      -Celebrity status\n                      -Lucy A. Winchester\n                      -Nellie Connally\n                -The President’s preference\n                      -Mary Rockefeller\n                -Lila Wallace\n                      -Placement\n\n-Congressional attendance\n-William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n-Norman Vincent Peale\n-Lionel Hampton\n      -Mrs. Nixon\n-Stephen W. Royce\n-Charles and Anne Lindbergh\n-Fred MacMurray\n-Allison DeWitt\n-Katharine Rollins\n-Mrs. John A. Mulcahy\n-Harold H. Helm\n-G. Keith Funston\n-Thomas A. Pappas\n-W. Allen Wallis\n-George Champion\n      -Attitude toward the President\n            -Mrs. Nixon\n            -Economics\n-Funston\n      -Olin-Mathieson Chemical Corporation\n-Martin S. Hayden, Sr.\n-Laurance Rockefeller\n      -Previous invitation\n-[Richard G. Lugar]\n-Alice Roosevelt Longworth\n-Woods’s attendance\n      -Late arrival\n-Mrs. Lila Tyng\n      -Henry R. Luce\n            -Wife\n      -Hank Luce\n      -Lewis\n-Winchester\n-Hope\n-Nellie Connally\n\nThe President’s schedule\n     -Camp David\n          -Weather\n          -Reading\n\nWoods’s schedule\n    -Renwick Gallery opening\n          -Restoration\n          -Warren E. Burger\n    -Woods’s conversation with John A. Volpe\n          -Volpe’s son’s [Jack’s] health\n               -Possible call from the President to Jack Volpe\n\nDinner lists\n     -Burger\n            -Popularity\n     -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n     -Charles W. Colson\n     -Unknown person\n     -Repetition\n            -Need for new faces\n                 -MacMurray\n                 -June Haver\n                 -Taft Schreiber\n\nLetter from Maurice H. Stans\n\nEqual Rights Amendment [ERA]\n     -John D. Ehrlichman’s memorandum\n     -Mitchell’s view\n\nUnemployment\n    -John B. Connally’s letter\n    -Price Commission\n          -Donald H. Rumsfeld\n\nCampaign financing\n    -Howard Simon\n         -Request for meeting with the President\n         -Contribution\n               -Maurice H. Stans\n\n           -Location\n           -Stans, Herbert W. Kalmbach\n           -Fundraising\n\nThe President’s schedule\n     -California\n\n[Fund-raising campaign for athletic hall of fame at Whittier College]\n     -Use of President’s name\n     -Letter from Kenneth L. Ball\n           -Clinton Harris\n                 -Response\n\nLetter from Richard M. Helms\n      -The President’s Vietnam peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972\n\nLetter from L. Richard Guylay\n      -New York\n\nLetter from I. Irving Davidson\n      -Indonesia lobby\n      -Meeting with George Meany on airplane\n\nLetter from [unknown person]\n      -European Community\n      -Henry A. Kissinger\n\nOffice procedure\n     -Mail\n           -Reading\n           -Possible contact\n\nDinner party\n     -Late invitations\n           -Haldeman\n           -Tayloe House\n           -Wallaces\n                 -Reception\n                 -Entertainment\n                       -Mrs. Nixon\n                       -Television\n\n          -Seating\n                -Arrangement\n                      -Winchester\n                -Longworth\n                      -Mrs. Nixon\n                -Hayden\n                -Laurance Rockefeller\n                -Nelson A. Rockefeller\n                -Ronald W. Reagan\n                -Lugar\n                -Royce\n                -Hampton\n                -Charles Lindbergh\n                -Andre Kostelanetz\n                -Mulcahy\n                -Rollins\n                -Pappas\n                -Conversation\n                      -Lindbergh\n                      -Longworth\n                -Wallaces\n                -Laurance Rockefeller\n                -Hayden\n                -Funston\n                -Howard A. Rusk\n                -Peter Mennin\n                      -The Julliard School\n                -Charles Lindbergh\n                -Rusk\n                -Laurance Rockefeller\n                -Mrs. Rollins\n                -Mrs. Mulcahy\n                -Delores (Reade) Hope\n                -Louise Seymour\n                      -J. Walter Thompson Company\n                -Mrs. James A. Suffridge\n                -Mrs. Tyng\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:24 pm.\n\n     Kissinger’s schedule\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:51 pm.\n\n     Dinner party\n          -Guests\n                -Women\n                -Mrs. Nixon\n                -Ehrlichman\n                -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\n     Letters\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 2:24 pm.\n\n     Kissinger’s schedule\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 2:51 pm.\n\n     Letters\n\n     Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\n     Edward M. Kennedy\n\n     Dinner party\n          -Guests\n\nWoods left at 2:51 pm.","filename":["659a.mp3","659b.mp3","659c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:13:18","tapeEnd":"03:39:49","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"659-009","nextCode":"659-011","tapeTranscriptFile":"659a.mp3,659b.mp3,659c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":11762.2,"end":11764.2,"text":"Say, are the Conways invited tonight?"},{"start":11764.32,"end":11764.54,"text":"Yes."},{"start":11765.14,"end":11766.02,"text":"I wonder if they're coming."},{"start":11766.34,"end":11766.58,"text":"They are."},{"start":11767.14,"end":11768.8,"text":"Well, he's sick today, I think."},{"start":11769.48,"end":11770.2,"text":"The flu."},{"start":11770.24,"end":11770.72,"text":"The flu."},{"start":11770.88,"end":11772.02,"text":"Is that what it is?"},{"start":11772.38,"end":11773.76,"text":"And Mr. Weyerhaeuser."},{"start":11792.03,"end":11809.54,"text":"Mrs. Connolly, if she calls and says they can't come, tell her to come, that others are coming."},{"start":11809.6,"end":11816.2,"text":"I know you like W&U Tech, you can photograph it."},{"start":11816.26,"end":11816.42,"text":"Yes."},{"start":11823.61,"end":11833.82,"text":"It's apparently an epidemic state in parts of the country."},{"start":11833.86,"end":11843.46,"text":"Do you have time to think a little bit about your case tonight?"},{"start":11844.62,"end":11845.89,"text":"Would you like to think about it?"},{"start":11847.08,"end":11852.92,"text":"I'm sorry, the wall at the Threshing's home suggested that my drunk fellow might be at the table with Mrs. Wallace."},{"start":11852.98,"end":11853.14,"text":"No?"},{"start":11853.16,"end":11858.63,"text":"Mrs. Wallace, she's with me."},{"start":11858.73,"end":11859.03,"text":"Oh, fine."},{"start":11859.05,"end":11862.97,"text":"You can have my drunk fellow."},{"start":11863.01,"end":11863.43,"text":"He's fine."},{"start":11866.37,"end":11868.93,"text":"So if she likes him, how do you know?"},{"start":11868.98,"end":11871.98,"text":"Well, they're invited because they suggested it."},{"start":11872.12,"end":11873.76,"text":"I guess they work together on those things."},{"start":11873.94,"end":11875.36,"text":"But don't get me wrong."},{"start":11875.42,"end":11876.08,"text":"The Lindberghs,"},{"start":11877.45,"end":11877.99,"text":"The host."},{"start":11878.63,"end":11880.05,"text":"Would you like Bob Wolf at your table?"},{"start":11881.05,"end":11881.61,"text":"It passed."},{"start":11881.89,"end":11882.09,"text":"Well?"},{"start":11882.15,"end":11883.29,"text":"It passed."},{"start":11883.31,"end":11891.78,"text":"Wait a minute."},{"start":11891.8,"end":11896.84,"text":"He is such a celebrity, or was he going to be at another table or something?"},{"start":11896.88,"end":11904.1,"text":"Lucy was thinking of, and I agree with her, putting him in that center table with Mrs. Connelly as the host of that table and have Bob close to that table."},{"start":11904.46,"end":11904.62,"text":"Right."},{"start":11910.34,"end":11914.28,"text":"For me, I just don't know where I correspond."},{"start":11914.32,"end":11917,"text":"You want Mrs. Waller here?"},{"start":11918.86,"end":11919.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":11920.44,"end":11929.21,"text":"She should be at my table."},{"start":11929.23,"end":11931.91,"text":"Well, put someone there who also dominates us."},{"start":11931.93,"end":11933.67,"text":"We won't put her right next to you, though."},{"start":11934.09,"end":11934.22,"text":"Oh, no."},{"start":11934.27,"end":11934.45,"text":"Yes."},{"start":11935.43,"end":11937.52,"text":"Let's put Mrs. Waller on your right and her on your left."},{"start":11938.4,"end":11938.74,"text":"Sure."},{"start":11941.36,"end":11944.71,"text":"That's going to be a very entertaining evening, isn't it?"},{"start":11948.37,"end":11957.98,"text":"We have a teenager in your scene, and she'll take more of the load off when you grow up, actually."},{"start":11958.02,"end":11958.18,"text":"Fine."},{"start":11958.24,"end":11961.48,"text":"It's sort of funny this, because, you know, at the last minute, there's quite a few."},{"start":11961.5,"end":11967.16,"text":"We don't even have one senator or congressman now, and we've had quite a few."},{"start":11967.2,"end":11967.25,"text":"Um..."},{"start":11969.9,"end":11975.58,"text":"And we're going to put, you know, Billy Graham has to be the table of his own and peel, I think, don't you?"},{"start":11975.6,"end":11978.44,"text":"I don't think they should be."},{"start":11978.46,"end":11980.68,"text":"Because they're big enough to keep the table going."},{"start":11980.73,"end":11984.11,"text":"What about Lionel Henson?"},{"start":11984.13,"end":11986.49,"text":"I don't suppose you want him or even yours at Pat's table?"},{"start":11986.95,"end":11987.93,"text":"He's young and he could do that."},{"start":11987.95,"end":11988.71,"text":"Pat's table."},{"start":11997.27,"end":12002.5,"text":"And do you think Steve Royce is apparently a very good friend of DeWitt Wallace?"},{"start":12002.88,"end":12003.46,"text":"Steve Royce is a..."},{"start":12003.52,"end":12005.86,"text":"He used to be out at the Huntington."},{"start":12006,"end":12006.32,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12006.34,"end":12007.1,"text":"I'm sure he's fine."},{"start":12007.2,"end":12007.32,"text":"Okay."},{"start":12010.1,"end":12015.65,"text":"And I don't know, maybe she might like, well, either Jenna Lindbergh or maybe Chris, maybe she'd like Crescent Myers or two."},{"start":12015.71,"end":12017.49,"text":"Or he's big enough to be at a table by himself, too."},{"start":12028.97,"end":12030.45,"text":"No, he's not very good at talking."},{"start":12030.48,"end":12037.94,"text":"He is, but he's smart and he won't talk."},{"start":12037.96,"end":12043.39,"text":"I don't know if there are any other women here, but you need to quiet them down."},{"start":12043.77,"end":12048.51,"text":"Well, if you have Alice and DeWitt, you don't need any talky ones."},{"start":12048.55,"end":12049.71,"text":"Well, you don't have DeWitt."},{"start":12050.03,"end":12051.31,"text":"You've got a lot of Mrs. Lawson."},{"start":12051.35,"end":12052.69,"text":"Mrs. and Alice, you see."},{"start":12052.81,"end":12056.12,"text":"Well, how about putting maybe Mrs. Rawlins there?"},{"start":12056.88,"end":12058.64,"text":"Or Mrs. Lockheed."},{"start":12058.66,"end":12060.28,"text":"Go for it."},{"start":12076.14,"end":12081.5,"text":"We've got Harold Kellner, Keith Bunsen, Tom Patterson, Alan Wallace."},{"start":12081.54,"end":12082.9,"text":"You've got to have him."},{"start":12082.92,"end":12084.32,"text":"No, not Wallace."},{"start":12084.64,"end":12087.34,"text":"It might be a really good name for men."},{"start":12088.25,"end":12089.49,"text":"Well, you've got just yourself."},{"start":12089.51,"end":12090.21,"text":"Oh, you could put Bunsen."},{"start":12090.25,"end":12091.01,"text":"Bunsen's all right."},{"start":12091.05,"end":12094.27,"text":"You know, you've just got yourself a lot of trouble."},{"start":12094.31,"end":12095.49,"text":"What about George Tenney?"},{"start":12097.11,"end":12097.85,"text":"He's just a little sick."},{"start":12097.93,"end":12100.24,"text":"He's always going to be hitting me."},{"start":12100.26,"end":12100.68,"text":"I know."},{"start":12100.74,"end":12101.52,"text":"Always."},{"start":12106.86,"end":12108.34,"text":"don't mean a hell of a lot."},{"start":12108.36,"end":12111.36,"text":"And either of mine or Pat's one of the two."},{"start":12112.47,"end":12117.53,"text":"You know, he's likely to be better than Pat's, so that he doesn't do... Or anything, anything."},{"start":12117.61,"end":12125.21,"text":"I just don't want to... Well, he may not think that there are a lot of other people much more important than all those other people."},{"start":12125.35,"end":12127.73,"text":"And, uh, but in my people, the function's fine."},{"start":12128.15,"end":12135.26,"text":"I'm just, I'm trying to, you know, he's kind of an older corporation now, so..."},{"start":12139.57,"end":12144.69,"text":"Martin Hayden, you wouldn't want him on your table."},{"start":12144.71,"end":12146.55,"text":"Yes, he'd be fine."},{"start":12147.41,"end":12149.15,"text":"Yes, he'd be fine."},{"start":12149.21,"end":12151.21,"text":"Because it's hard to pick out one man."},{"start":12151.25,"end":12151.8,"text":"Yes, it's fine."},{"start":12151.85,"end":12155.14,"text":"Of course, maybe you were making a mistake."},{"start":12155.16,"end":12155.98,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":12156.36,"end":12157.62,"text":"I'm sure I'm talking all right."},{"start":12157.66,"end":12157.78,"text":"Sure."},{"start":12157.82,"end":12158.1,"text":"He's hurt."},{"start":12158.12,"end":12159.18,"text":"They haven't been here before."},{"start":12160.45,"end":12168.32,"text":"he could be i don't mind but he doesn't need to be he can be he's a great father yeah put him in the table now that's enough that you got him"},{"start":12185.52,"end":12190.61,"text":"Well, you could, yourself and Mrs. Lawler, and Lyons are from Mrs. Lawler."},{"start":12191.47,"end":12194.13,"text":"Mark and Hayden would be five, and then we'll take..."},{"start":12194.95,"end":12197.85,"text":"There's six of each, so twelve?"},{"start":12198.35,"end":12199.75,"text":"Eight, I guess."},{"start":12199.82,"end":12200.06,"text":"Eight."},{"start":12200.08,"end":12201.46,"text":"Give me these people."},{"start":12201.48,"end":12202.38,"text":"You want four men?"},{"start":12203.5,"end":12205.06,"text":"We need three men besides me."},{"start":12206.48,"end":12210.76,"text":"Well, why don't the others want... And Hayden and the Mary and Ethel are seven."},{"start":12210.78,"end":12212.75,"text":"That's good."},{"start":12219.82,"end":12225.74,"text":"And you know, now, the way people have understood it, there's even, there's going to be an uneven number, and I'd be an extra woman."},{"start":12225.76,"end":12227.52,"text":"So I don't really think I ought to go."},{"start":12227.54,"end":12229.33,"text":"I'll come in later for the entertainment."},{"start":12229.34,"end":12232.39,"text":"Oh, you know, what's the difference between the two?"},{"start":12234.27,"end":12239.26,"text":"Well, extra women at least, and there's a change in the next."},{"start":12239.28,"end":12241.66,"text":"You know, they, it's down to 91 now."},{"start":12245.6,"end":12248.84,"text":"And you just can't invite outside people, you know, like we couldn't."},{"start":12248.88,"end":12251.22,"text":"We got these calls yesterday and today."},{"start":12261.73,"end":12265.69,"text":"Do you know who we were when Mrs. Mila Ting was, T-Y-A-G?"},{"start":12267.03,"end":12268.53,"text":"She's Henry Luce's first wife."},{"start":12270.14,"end":12272.78,"text":"She's the mother of Hank Lewis and was a good friend of Ben."},{"start":12273.34,"end":12274.5,"text":"She's coming."},{"start":12275.42,"end":12276.46,"text":"I'll write that out on a note."},{"start":12276.54,"end":12278.48,"text":"I just now found out who else she was."},{"start":12278.5,"end":12279.25,"text":"I asked Hope."},{"start":12288.4,"end":12289.2,"text":"That's fine."},{"start":12289.22,"end":12292.32,"text":"Okay, well, Lucy just wanted to have your table be thorough."},{"start":12292.42,"end":12293.32,"text":"It would be wonderful."},{"start":12293.34,"end":12293.6,"text":"Sure."},{"start":12293.64,"end":12294,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12294.32,"end":12294.56,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12299.1,"end":12304.14,"text":"Well, there are two inches of snow in Kent this morning."},{"start":12304.24,"end":12305.42,"text":"Oh, really?"},{"start":12305.52,"end":12306.56,"text":"I bet it was."},{"start":12306.58,"end":12308.07,"text":"Was it quite cold up there?"},{"start":12323.75,"end":12333.14,"text":"It was cold last night, but I, of course, I missed my house."},{"start":12333.18,"end":12333.94,"text":"It was nice."},{"start":12333.96,"end":12336.66,"text":"It was a good break."},{"start":12336.72,"end":12336.96,"text":"Good break."},{"start":12336.98,"end":12343.03,"text":"Just to be... Well, just to get away, I guess we're not even... Out of here."},{"start":12343.15,"end":12344.67,"text":"Really get there and spend here."},{"start":12344.73,"end":12347.85,"text":"Well, yeah, it's just good sometimes to be able to look out across the country."},{"start":12347.89,"end":12350.61,"text":"God, this is a wonderful place."},{"start":12350.65,"end":12352.15,"text":"You know, I have no complaints about it."},{"start":12352.25,"end":12352.41,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":12353.56,"end":12355.02,"text":"It was nice."},{"start":12355.46,"end":12358.16,"text":"That building was very pretty."},{"start":12358.24,"end":12362.38,"text":"They restored it, you know, to the old high ceilings and stuff."},{"start":12362.42,"end":12364.31,"text":"They read a nice letter from you."},{"start":12364.36,"end":12367.17,"text":"Chief Justice was there."},{"start":12367.29,"end":12370.63,"text":"It was very, very, very nice."},{"start":12370.77,"end":12379.44,"text":"And I saw John and Ollie Volpe at an earlier thing."},{"start":12381.68,"end":12382.74,"text":"I told him you were at home."},{"start":12383.36,"end":12385.92,"text":"And he said, this is the third time the son's been in the hospital."},{"start":12385.94,"end":12387.16,"text":"And he had changed his mind."},{"start":12388.1,"end":12394.6,"text":"And I told him that you had mentioned calling, but we thought maybe later we'd see how it's going along."},{"start":12394.7,"end":12395.7,"text":"He said, oh, that's right."},{"start":12396.36,"end":12401.39,"text":"And I said, if you get to this point, you know, if you make a call with helping me, that's the point."},{"start":12401.41,"end":12404.85,"text":"So you let me know because the president wanted to call him."},{"start":12404.97,"end":12408.09,"text":"And we thought we should wait and talk with you first."},{"start":12410.81,"end":12415.01,"text":"Good, you've done it right."},{"start":12415.03,"end":12429.82,"text":"Incidentally, when you're thinking of dinner lists sometimes, a burger's always a good one to have on, so why don't you see it?"},{"start":12429.84,"end":12430.74,"text":"Just a very good sign."},{"start":12430.78,"end":12438.41,"text":"Well, this list, I take no blame for, because I didn't do it, but this is done by Hall and Schultz, and it doesn't have as much liquid in my hand."},{"start":12440.33,"end":12442.89,"text":"Because we're too many of the same people."},{"start":12442.95,"end":12445.55,"text":"How many have been here six, seven, eight times?"},{"start":12447.25,"end":12452.93,"text":"And like, we've got so darn many people who have done more than friendly quarreling to a hater, and they're back again."},{"start":12452.97,"end":12459.17,"text":"They weren't the ones who requested the walls."},{"start":12459.19,"end":12463.31,"text":"They were put on by tax drivers."},{"start":12469.13,"end":12471.95,"text":"There are a couple things that I think you might not be aware of."},{"start":12472,"end":12473.56,"text":"Sam's written a very nice letter."},{"start":12474.32,"end":12476.32,"text":"And here's a memo back from Erlandson on that."},{"start":12476.38,"end":12478.02,"text":"He will write the memo."},{"start":12478.38,"end":12479.68,"text":"But I think you ought to read it."},{"start":12479.7,"end":12483.88,"text":"He said that he wanted to push it with John Rachel."},{"start":12483.94,"end":12488.68,"text":"Yeah, John, yes."},{"start":12488.8,"end":12490.56,"text":"You don't want to see this."},{"start":12490.7,"end":12494.67,"text":"Grant sent a copy of the letter he wrote to John Connolly on it."},{"start":12497.3,"end":12497.98,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":12498,"end":12498.8,"text":"Unacquainted, that's better."},{"start":12500.44,"end":12500.92,"text":"Unacquainted."},{"start":12503.57,"end":12510.51,"text":"The tattoo of John Connery, unacquainted, was initiated by his recent visit to the Buckeye Commission."},{"start":12510.53,"end":12513.27,"text":"So that's John Rumsdorff, is that right?"},{"start":12513.31,"end":12514.33,"text":"Rumsdorff, exactly, yeah."},{"start":12516.52,"end":12517.67,"text":"Is that alright by this?"},{"start":12517.71,"end":12517.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":12517.91,"end":12519.63,"text":"I think what he's usually in California."},{"start":12539.22,"end":12545.14,"text":"Well, in our text, he's written... My idea is that Laurie would probably have a cop-out to him out there."},{"start":12545.18,"end":12548.67,"text":"You know, he'd probably want to give him the cash."},{"start":12548.81,"end":12549.19,"text":"He might."},{"start":12549.27,"end":12554.69,"text":"But he needs personal basis."},{"start":12554.75,"end":12556.11,"text":"We were out in California."},{"start":12556.16,"end":12557.32,"text":"He's done all the things, but..."},{"start":12558.45,"end":12563.04,"text":"I already said I didn't think you could do it, but Kenny Ball wrote the letter, and Clint Harris wrote about it to me."},{"start":12563.42,"end":12564.48,"text":"What did he write?"},{"start":12564.52,"end":12567.88,"text":"Well, he had to put your name on a fundraising campaign to raise $10,000."},{"start":12567.94,"end":12572.43,"text":"And I said, oh, you can't get a president's name on something like that."},{"start":12572.63,"end":12573.61,"text":"So I just..."},{"start":12573.63,"end":12577.37,"text":"Yes, I 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