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Nixon & Ziegler on Oliver F. Atkins and Photography session

Friday, January 28, 1972 · 3:50 PM–3:52 PM ET · Oval Office

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.Conversation659-013 on Tape 659 (tape position 03:45:47–03:55:39)StartFriday, January 28, 1972 at 3:50 PMEndFriday, January 28, 1972 at 3:52 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 659-013 ↗

President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met briefly to coordinate logistical details regarding the President’s schedule and an upcoming photography session with Oliver F. Atkins. The discussion focused on managing the timing of these commitments, with the President directing that the session occur following his meeting with the Attorney General. The participants reached a consensus on the scheduling adjustment before Ziegler concluded the meeting.

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3:47:13I'm sorry.
3:47:13I'm sorry.
3:47:14I'm sorry.
3:47:15I'm sorry.
3:47:15I'm sorry.
3:48:32I don't want to rush you, Tim.
3:48:33I've heard of people that do it, Tim.
3:48:36Okay.
3:48:36Let's not give them a lot.
3:48:37No, I'll just take it.
3:48:38I'll just take it.
3:48:39Oh, I'll just take it.
3:48:40Oh, yes, sir.
3:48:40No problem.
3:48:41You can take it.
3:48:42You can take it anytime.
3:48:43Right.
3:48:43You can see what I did.
3:48:45I know why Christ is there in our heart.
3:48:48No, no, no.
3:48:48You don't get to know me when you have a little bit of trouble.
3:48:52No, we'll do it after the A.G. meeting.
3:48:54Okay, sir.

On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:50 pm to 3:52 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 659-013 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 659-13

Date: January 28, 1972
Time: 3:50 pm - 3:52 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.
[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]

     The President’s schedule
          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
               -Photograph session

Ziegler left at 3:52 pm.
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Conversation 659-013, January 28, 1972. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/659-013 (accessed October 12, 2026).