{"conversationCode":"659-013","tapeNumber":659,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-659-013","startDateTime":"1972-01-28T20:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-28T20:52:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jan-1972","startTime":"3:50 PM","endDate":"28-Jan-1972","endTime":"3:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On January 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:50 pm to 3:52 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 659-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 659-13\n\nDate: January 28, 1972\nTime: 3:50 pm - 3:52 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n[Recording begins while the conversation is in progress]\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins\n               -Photograph session\n\nZiegler left at 3:52 pm.","filename":["659a.mp3","659b.mp3","659c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:45:47","tapeEnd":"03:55:39","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"659-012","nextCode":"659-014","tapeTranscriptFile":"659a.mp3,659b.mp3,659c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":13633.74,"end":13633.92,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":13633.93,"end":13634.42,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":13634.56,"end":13634.88,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":13635.1,"end":13635.78,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":13635.92,"end":13636.36,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":13712,"end":13713.53,"text":"I don't want to rush you, Tim."},{"start":13713.55,"end":13716.05,"text":"I've heard of people that do it, Tim."},{"start":13716.07,"end":13716.19,"text":"Okay."},{"start":13716.23,"end":13717.33,"text":"Let's not give them a lot."},{"start":13717.39,"end":13718.47,"text":"No, I'll just take it."},{"start":13718.85,"end":13719.33,"text":"I'll just take it."},{"start":13719.39,"end":13720.05,"text":"Oh, I'll just take it."},{"start":13720.09,"end":13720.65,"text":"Oh, yes, sir."},{"start":13720.79,"end":13721.51,"text":"No problem."},{"start":13721.53,"end":13722.05,"text":"You can take it."},{"start":13722.11,"end":13723.63,"text":"You can take it anytime."},{"start":13723.71,"end":13723.93,"text":"Right."},{"start":13723.97,"end":13725.57,"text":"You can see what I did."},{"start":13725.69,"end":13728.24,"text":"I know why Christ is there in our heart."},{"start":13728.32,"end":13728.82,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":13728.86,"end":13731.7,"text":"You don't get to know me when you have a little bit of trouble."},{"start":13732.26,"end":13733.72,"text":"No, we'll do it after the A.G. meeting."},{"start":13734.64,"end":13735.62,"text":"Okay, sir."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":13570.375,"end":14139,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"tape_time"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler met briefly to coordinate logistical details regarding the President’s schedule and an upcoming photography session with Oliver F. Atkins. The discussion focused on managing the timing of these commitments, with the President directing that the session occur following his meeting with the Attorney General. The participants reached a consensus on the scheduling adjustment before Ziegler concluded the meeting.","topics":["Presidential schedule","Oliver F. Atkins","Ronald Ziegler","Logistics","Photography session"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:05:55.960Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","oliver-f-atkins","ronald-ziegler","logistics","photography-session"],"audioDurationSec":592,"audioFiles":[{"file":"659a.mp3","bytes":176473233,"durationSec":7352.98,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"659b.mp3","bytes":176712097,"durationSec":7362.93,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"659c.mp3","bytes":88795218,"durationSec":3699.74,"bitrate":192003,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.977Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/659a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/659b.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/659c.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/659-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/659/conversation-659-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}