{"conversationCode":"661-005","tapeNumber":661,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-661-005","startDateTime":"1972-01-31T21:00:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-01-31T21:01:00.000Z","startDate":"31-Jan-1972","startTime":"4:00 PM","endDate":"31-Jan-1972","endTime":"4:01 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On January 31, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:00 pm and 4:01 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 661-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 661-5\n\nDate: January 31, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 4:00 pm and 4:01 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     The President’s schedule\n          -John D. Ehrlichman’s request for a meeting\n               -Renovation of the Mall\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 4:01 pm.","filename":["661-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:30:00","tapeEnd":"02:30:36","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"661-004","nextCode":"661-006","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":3.82,"text":"Mr. President, this is the highest priority issue in general."},{"start":5.06,"end":8.95,"text":"We would like to discuss the matter of the renovation of the mall."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. Bull to review the President's schedule and address a priority request from John D. Ehrlichman. The discussion focused on coordinating a meeting to deliberate the proposed renovation of the National Mall. No further actions were recorded before the brief meeting concluded.","topics":["John D. Ehrlichman","National Mall","White House schedule","urban development","renovation projects"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:09:21.168Z"},"topicSlugs":["john-d-ehrlichman","national-mall","white-house-schedule","urban-development","renovation-projects"],"audioDurationSec":14,"audioFiles":[{"file":"661-005.mp3","bytes":572391,"durationSec":14.17,"bitrate":323156,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.978Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/661-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/661-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/661/conversation-661-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}