{"conversationCode":"663-003","tapeNumber":663,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-663-003","startDateTime":"1972-02-01T19:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-01T20:02:00.000Z","startDate":"1-Feb-1972","startTime":"2:53 PM","endDate":"1-Feb-1972","endTime":"3:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:53 pm to 3:02 pm. 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Buchanan\n                       -Possible letter\n                             -Efron’s forthcoming testimony\n                             -Book circulation\n                             -Distribution with testimony\n                                   -Editors\n                                   -[Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.] Committee\n          -Antagonism\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                -L. Richard Guylay’s view\n           -Television networks\n                -Possible letters and calls\n                      -Barbara H. Franklin\n                      -John Birch Society\n                      -Women\n                -Distribution of Efron book and testimony\n                -Women\n                -News monitoring\n                      -Possible foundation\n                            -Efron\n                                  -Democrats\n                            -John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy\n                      -Franklin\n                            -Station owners\n                      -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC], Columbia Broadcasting\n                            System [CBS]\n                      -Foundation\n                            -Mulcahy\n                      -Accuracy in media group\n                      -Buchanan\n                      -Tom C. Huston\n                      -Story to CBS [?]\n           -Criticism of administration\n                 -Guylay memorandum\n                 -Meeting with Graham\n                 -Rebuttal\n                      -Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker\n                      -Max Frankel\n                      -Herbert E. Kaplow\n                      -Jacob K. Javits\n                      -Efron\n                            -Marriage\n                            [Clytia Chambers]\n                      -Administration\n                            -Henry A. Kissinger\n                            -William L. Safire\n                            -Leonard Garment\n                            -Arthur F. Burns\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n                              -Herbert Stein\n                              -Ezra Solomon\n                              -Marina Von N. Whitman\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:53 pm.\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -John N. Mitchell\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:02 pm.\n\n     Appointments\n          -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]\n               -Woman [Jane Hall]\n                    -The President’s meeting with James R. Schlesinger, January 31, 1972\n                    -Los Alamos\n                    -California","filename":["663-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:14:50","tapeEnd":"00:26:24","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"663-002","nextCode":"663-004","transcript":[{"start":269.39,"end":271.36,"text":"that I really believe women"},{"start":378.51,"end":381.33,"text":"Score, why don't we announce them?"},{"start":381.35,"end":382.51,"text":"A little, uh... You can start it now."},{"start":382.53,"end":383.57,"text":"It's a demographic error."},{"start":383.85,"end":385.33,"text":"Say they're not the third of the demographic."},{"start":385.39,"end":387.31,"text":"I mean, they're the thing that's not going to do this."},{"start":387.45,"end":387.73,"text":"You can't, uh..."},{"start":387.75,"end":392.03,"text":"I mean, well, they can't prove it, but they just know them all."},{"start":392.07,"end":397.01,"text":"Hey, some of those people have wanted to prove it more than we can accept."},{"start":397.04,"end":399.5,"text":"They can probably prove it."},{"start":400.12,"end":400.36,"text":"Maybe."},{"start":404.1,"end":405.18,"text":"You've got a real line there."},{"start":405.74,"end":407.3,"text":"But could I, could I just urge that..."},{"start":409.25,"end":410.42,"text":"Get that sign first."},{"start":410.44,"end":411.35,"text":"Get the lowest sign."},{"start":437.71,"end":438.96,"text":"It ain't never been watched."},{"start":439.16,"end":440.49,"text":"It ain't never been watched."},{"start":486.52,"end":488.08,"text":"We've got a fireball in there."},{"start":488.3,"end":494.43,"text":"Somebody can get all excited about it."},{"start":494.91,"end":498.41,"text":"Who can be cranked up."},{"start":498.43,"end":502.91,"text":"We're recruiting a lot of lawyers and people like that around the country."},{"start":557.05,"end":557.77,"text":"Bye-bye."},{"start":610.02,"end":611.49,"text":"I heard the right part of this."},{"start":611.57,"end":618.7,"text":"We're going to have our people say, of course, Terry got a snack and I'm going to have to mess with you guys because you've got to kiss me."},{"start":643.91,"end":645.74,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman met to coordinate a strategy for challenging the perceived bias of major television networks, focusing specifically on the distribution and promotion of Edith Efron's book, *How CBS Tried to Kill a Book*. The discussion involved plans to utilize Patrick Buchanan and various conservative organizations to monitor media coverage and distribute Efron’s forthcoming testimony to key influencers. During the meeting, Stephen B. Bull joined to briefly discuss the President's schedule, including a potential appointment related to the Atomic Energy Commission.","topics":["Media bias","Edith Efron","H. R. 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