{"conversationCode":"664-003","tapeNumber":664,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-664-003","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T14:13:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T14:14:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"9:13 AM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"9:14 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator;","description":"On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:13 am and 9:14 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-003 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 664-3\n\nDate: February 2, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 9:13 am and 9:14 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator.\n\n[See Conversation No. 20-18]","filename":["664a.mp3","664b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:18:04","tapeEnd":"00:18:38","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","White House operator"],"prevCode":"664-002","nextCode":"664-004","tapeTranscriptFile":"664a.mp3,664b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":1084.39,"end":1093.22,"text":"But on Taiwan, we... On Taiwan, you know, I did say we will keep our treaty commitments."},{"start":1093.26,"end":1096.76,"text":"Can we say that?"},{"start":1096.88,"end":1099.24,"text":"We can't abrogate a treaty with Taiwan."},{"start":1099.38,"end":1100.84,"text":"No, no, we can say it in general."},{"start":1101.67,"end":1105.93,"text":"We can say that we are committed to a peaceful solution."},{"start":1105.95,"end":1107.25,"text":"But we can't... Are they?"},{"start":1107.27,"end":1110.23,"text":"Will they say they're committed to a peaceful solution?"},{"start":1110.25,"end":1110.35,"text":"No."},{"start":1111.89,"end":1113.45,"text":"But then I think the opposite either."},{"start":1113.47,"end":1117.07,"text":"They're just saying that position is their country."},{"start":1117.09,"end":1118.93,"text":"They won't make a deal with us."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":1083.375,"end":1119.625,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and the White House operator discuss the sensitive diplomatic nuances surrounding U.S. policy toward Taiwan ahead of future negotiations. Nixon expresses firm resistance to abrogating existing treaty commitments while weighing the challenges of securing mutual pledges for a peaceful resolution. The exchange highlights the strategic difficulty of managing conflicting positions between Taiwan and the People's Republic of China regarding the status of the island.","topics":["Taiwan","Foreign Policy","Diplomacy","Treaty Obligations","China Relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:12:23.317Z"},"topicSlugs":["taiwan","foreign-policy","diplomacy","treaty-obligations","china-relations"],"audioDurationSec":34,"audioFiles":[{"file":"664a.mp3","bytes":177528371,"durationSec":7396.96,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"664b.mp3","bytes":43392312,"durationSec":1807.95,"bitrate":192006,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.979Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-003","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/664/conversation-664-003","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}