Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 664-005 Date: Wednesday, February 2, 1972 at 9:14 AM Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Downing, Thomas N. Recording device: Oval Office Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-005 This transcript was generated automatically by AI (WhisperX) and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite it as authoritative. [19:11] That would be the major use of having Rogers out front. [19:14] Because unfortunately the Foreign Service is more loyal to the Secretary than to the President. [19:23] Yeah, there is no reason for them. [19:25] There's not a problem. [19:33] No reason, but we should expect it, I guess. [19:36] I think if we can get a plan, but the other possibility is that now Muskie, who obviously rushed into this thing, might get confused and not know exactly how to deal with it, too, which would be kind of interesting. [19:51] Well, I think also, let me say, well, it's a good test for us as to whether or not whenever we've got a tough one, it'll stand up.