{"conversationCode":"664-007","tapeNumber":664,"conversationNumber":7,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-664-007","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T17:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T17:18:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"12:16 PM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"12:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 2, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:16 pm and 12:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-007 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 664-7\n\nDate: February 2, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 12:16 pm and 12:18 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -John D. Ehrlichman\n          -Pearl M. Bailey visit\n                -Heart of the Year Award\n          -John W. McCormack\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:18 pm.","filename":["664a.mp3","664b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:09:58","tapeEnd":"01:10:47","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"664-006","nextCode":"664-008","tapeTranscriptFile":"664a.mp3,664b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":4196.75,"end":4198.94,"text":"I'm just trying to, basically, what we're really trying to do is to keep the Indians, what we did at the end of the day, from God and from the neighbor."},{"start":4198.96,"end":4204.27,"text":"If they had, if the Indians, with the support of the Russians, had knocked over the Westpacs,"},{"start":4205.97,"end":4207.77,"text":"It would be a damned, unsafe world."},{"start":4208.75,"end":4210.05,"text":"It's pretty unsafe as it is."},{"start":4210.31,"end":4222.42,"text":"I can't have a little rundown on all the overtures we have made, and the disquiet that they had caused, the Russian replies, the Indian replies, and so forth."},{"start":4222.44,"end":4223.68,"text":"I think we're going to go alive."},{"start":4223.7,"end":4225.2,"text":"I have to say this."},{"start":4225.78,"end":4225.88,"text":"On the contrary, we're afraid we just want them for their own good to stay the hell out of war and put me in the Chinese men."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":4196.75,"end":4225.875,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his personal aide, Stephen B. Bull, to review the President’s daily schedule, including appointments with John D. Ehrlichman, former Speaker John W. McCormack, and entertainer Pearl M. Bailey regarding her Heart of the Year Award. During the discussion, Nixon pivoted to a brief foreign policy critique concerning recent geopolitical tensions involving India, Russia, and the stability of the West Pacific. He requested a formal briefing document summarizing past diplomatic overtures, foreign responses, and the regional anxieties stemming from these international interactions.","topics":["Presidential Schedule","Foreign Policy","India-Pakistan Conflict","Soviet-American Relations","Diplomatic Briefings","Pearl M. Bailey"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:12:46.242Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","foreign-policy","india-pakistan-conflict","soviet-american-relations","diplomatic-briefings","pearl-m-bailey"],"audioDurationSec":49,"audioFiles":[{"file":"664a.mp3","bytes":177528371,"durationSec":7396.96,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"664b.mp3","bytes":43392312,"durationSec":1807.95,"bitrate":192006,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.664Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-007","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/664/conversation-664-007","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}