{"conversationCode":"664-016","tapeNumber":664,"conversationNumber":16,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-664-016","startDateTime":"1972-02-02T15:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-02T17:16:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Feb-1972","startTime":"10:05 AM","endDate":"2-Feb-1972","endTime":"12:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"United States Secret Service agents;","description":"On February 2, 1972, United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:05 am and 12:16 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 664-016 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":3,"chronRelease":"Third Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"28-Feb-2002","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 664-16\n\nDate: February 2, 1972\nTime: Unknown between 10:05 am and 12:16 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nUnknown people [Secret Service agents] met.\n\n     The President’s location\n          -Cabinet Room\n\nThe agents left at an unknown time before 12:16 pm.","filename":["664a.mp3","664b.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:08:56","tapeEnd":"01:09:58","participantsList":["United States Secret Service agents"],"prevCode":"664-015","nextCode":"665-001","tapeTranscriptFile":"664a.mp3,664b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":4137.5,"end":4140.56,"text":"I have taken the line that India is the largest free world country, must have an opportunity."},{"start":4141.16,"end":4146.83,"text":"to prove that it can compete with China in the largest totalitarian country."},{"start":4146.87,"end":4151.98,"text":"And that the United States is a great state and India is an experiment in democracy."},{"start":4152.88,"end":4153.94,"text":"This is my view."},{"start":4153.96,"end":4155.26,"text":"It hasn't been my view in the past."},{"start":4155.28,"end":4156.72,"text":"It's my view at the present time."},{"start":4157.22,"end":4159.4,"text":"This is despite the fact we have no treaty with India."},{"start":4160.06,"end":4162.56,"text":"We have no alliance with India."},{"start":4162.76,"end":4164.22,"text":"We respect their non-alignment."},{"start":4164.84,"end":4174.81,"text":"When India's kicked us around the United Nations in Russia, I defended them in Q&A during the campaign in 1968 and said, we respect the right of countries to disagree and that our aid goes without strings."},{"start":4175.26,"end":4177.15,"text":"I take that speech more on than anybody else."},{"start":4177.87,"end":4178.89,"text":"Now, having said all that,"},{"start":4180.6,"end":4188.55,"text":"I mean, it comes with the old race, where, and it's not the Indians to say that Nixon is out just for them."},{"start":4189.01,"end":4190.19,"text":"Hell, we're not out for them."},{"start":4190.25,"end":4196.75,"text":"I'm just trying to, basically, what we're really trying to do is to keep the Indians, what we did at the end of the day, from God and from the neighbor."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":4137.5,"end":4196.75,"startMethod":"silence","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon articulates his foreign policy perspective on India to a group of Secret Service agents, framing the nation as a critical democratic experiment that must succeed in competition with communist China. Despite acknowledging a lack of formal alliances or treaties, Nixon emphasizes his historical commitment to respecting India's non-alignment and providing aid without political conditions. He characterizes his diplomatic stance as a strategic effort to prevent regional instability rather than a sign of preferential favoritism toward the Indian government.","topics":["India","Foreign Policy","United States-India relations","China","Democracy","Non-alignment"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:13:37.072Z"},"topicSlugs":["india","foreign-policy","united-states-india-relations","china","democracy","non-alignment"],"audioDurationSec":62,"audioFiles":[{"file":"664a.mp3","bytes":177528371,"durationSec":7396.96,"bitrate":192001,"missing":false},{"file":"664b.mp3","bytes":43392312,"durationSec":1807.95,"bitrate":192006,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":true,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.977Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664a.mp3","https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/664b.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/664-016","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/664/conversation-664-016","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}