{"conversationCode":"666-003","tapeNumber":666,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-666-003","startDateTime":"1972-02-07T16:54:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-02-07T17:23:00.000Z","startDate":"7-Feb-1972","startTime":"11:54 AM","endDate":"7-Feb-1972","endTime":"12:23 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Bull, Stephen B.; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On February 7, 1972, Stephen B. Bull and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:54 am and 12:23 pm. 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Bull met with an unknown person.\n\n     Request for a call to the press office\n         -Bull’s schedule\n\nBull and the unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:23 pm.","filename":["666a.mp3","666b.mp3","666c.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:35:57","tapeEnd":"02:38:08","participantsList":["Bull, Stephen B.","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"666-002","nextCode":"666-004","tapeTranscriptFile":"666a.mp3,666b.mp3,666c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":9357,"end":9361.44,"text":"They have always insisted, in one way or another, on a political condition."},{"start":9361.46,"end":9363.12,"text":"They would never allow a separation."},{"start":9363.16,"end":9363.54,"text":"That is good."},{"start":9363.56,"end":9366.32,"text":"Now, a good way to handle that would be if I'm asked that."},{"start":9366.34,"end":9368,"text":"They've always insisted on a political connection."},{"start":9368.06,"end":9372.78,"text":"The President of the United States has said that."},{"start":9373.46,"end":9375.32,"text":"The Secretary of State has said that."},{"start":9375.34,"end":9376.76,"text":"And the Kissinger said it in the records."},{"start":9377.73,"end":9378.25,"text":"Sorry, I'm sorry."},{"start":9378.43,"end":9378.83,"text":"Okay."},{"start":9379.29,"end":9383.74,"text":"And then now she said, now, on the other hand, I would not leave any impression."},{"start":9383.76,"end":9390.1,"text":"I still leave a little door open with regard to the possibility of negotiations being given up."},{"start":9390.12,"end":9390.24,"text":"No."},{"start":9390.3,"end":9395.81,"text":"No, we, but frankly, the way to succeed in negotiations is not to have this propaganda channel."},{"start":9397.37,"end":9404.25,"text":"This, that we don't buy propaganda shots, is not the way that what we, we think what we do is shoot."},{"start":9404.94,"end":9408.25,"text":"Go to the bargaining table."},{"start":9408.34,"end":9413.13,"text":"Bargaining table, either in public or private sessions, whatever they want."},{"start":9413.19,"end":9414.37,"text":"We're ready to negotiate."},{"start":9414.39,"end":9431.21,"text":"They don't have any trick language in the transcript today to make the point that they don't make a political decision."},{"start":9431.99,"end":9433.89,"text":"They never did."},{"start":9433.93,"end":9434.41,"text":"They never did."},{"start":9435.4,"end":9443.88,"text":"In August, we had already moved to the same thing, the political and military things."},{"start":9443.9,"end":9444.98,"text":"May 31st, they turned it down."},{"start":9445.82,"end":9450.43,"text":"After they made the last point, we did it because it was their dream."},{"start":9451.43,"end":9456.25,"text":"In August, one new vocation said that in August we again opted for the military."},{"start":9456.29,"end":9458.53,"text":"That's what we said in the speech."},{"start":9458.75,"end":9458.79,"text":"No?"},{"start":9458.81,"end":9459.09,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":9461.4,"end":9478,"text":"You know, my dad's already, wherever he's at now, he's preaching at the present part of the game, and I've always wanted to hear what he's saying."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":9357,"end":9478,"startMethod":"tape_time","endMethod":"silence"},"transcriptConfidence":"low","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"Stephen B. Bull and an unidentified participant discuss the administration’s messaging strategy regarding negotiations and the potential for a political settlement. The conversation focuses on clarifying the U.S. position on separating political and military issues while critiquing the use of propaganda channels. 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