Nixon, Haldeman & Sanchez on People's Republic of China trip

3:52:17That's a barber.
3:52:19Five o'clock tomorrow.
3:52:20Okay.
3:52:20Now, if you remember that, uh, briefcase.
3:52:27Yeah.
3:52:29They're all up in the sand.
3:52:32Are there any other people who would be black folks?
3:52:34I don't think so, sir.
3:52:36If you want to talk about the movement, we do, sir.
3:52:57He had to just be sure that all the books, and that they're not left over there at the OV.
3:54:29I gotta find this stuff.
3:54:55Oh, gee, I really need to do it at all.
3:54:59I need it.
3:55:01Or you could just put it in there, right?
3:55:04I don't know.
3:55:28Okay.
3:55:34Okay.
3:55:42Okay.
3:55:42Okay.
3:55:43Okay.
3:55:46Okay.
3:56:05You know, I don't know whether it would be helpful or not, but I think it's rather a good idea to have Brian go along.
3:56:14And it seems bad to me, but I'm going to do it, sir.
3:56:22And it might provide some sort of change, probably something.
3:56:36That's absolutely right.
3:56:44Too much at stake not to have cover all the possibilities of making it work out as easy as possible.
3:56:57And you get out where I would think it might be very hard because you get out and you have to go out and out into the cold in and out of places and all that.
3:57:07You get kinks and all that here.
3:57:28He's good because he can take care of it in just a few minutes.
3:57:35It's a long process.
3:57:37Yeah, that's the trouble.
3:57:44You have to get all of it.
3:57:54A little bit of oil.
3:57:55I don't want to eat stuff and you've got to get an un-oiled attitude or it's an hour or so later.
3:57:58I have no license.
3:57:59I mean, I don't care about the brownies either, but it's a...
3:58:05I think it does more good.
3:58:11It avoids the possibility of muscle spasms.
3:58:14Yeah.
3:58:14Sure does.
3:58:22You've got all that time sitting on the airplane, all that time sitting in those long meetings.
3:58:29It's a good chance you're going to have to sit with children for long sessions.
3:58:33You know, it's a good chance you're going to have to sit with children for long sessions.
3:59:09He doesn't need to be on a mission.
3:59:14There's no way you can do it when you're up there anyway.
3:59:22What's that?
3:59:23A table.
3:59:23But you don't immediately have to arrive on it?
3:59:25No, we have him on it, you know.
3:59:27He'll be in the hotel.
3:59:28He'll be standing by all the time.
3:59:30Immediately on arrival in each place, and immediately after a session and all that, and then before you go to bed at night.
3:59:36And use him whenever you want.
3:59:43And don't worry too much about having to cover other people.
3:59:45It's better to have a hybrid.
3:59:47Build it to you.
3:59:49Give Henry some help, which will be good.
3:59:52That's important.
3:59:53And then beyond that, it just doesn't matter that much.
3:59:56If he's got enough to do, he can help a press guy or something or a staff person.
4:00:00And help Rose.
4:00:04There you go.
4:00:07There she goes.
4:00:10All right.
4:00:11I'll bet you.
4:00:12That's a question I'm not choosing.
4:01:09The way I did it, when I tried to work the suit thing out, is not to try to do it irregularly.
4:01:14But there is going to be an irregularity.
4:01:17I tried to take some periods of time to have the schedule loose.
4:01:27I don't know if I could take a long time if I had to.
4:01:34I think we have it set that way pretty much.
4:01:40I hope nothing early in the morning or anything.
4:01:48There's one morning that there is.
4:01:50You have to go out to the wall or something.
4:01:52Perfect excuse.
4:01:57The wall.
4:01:58The wall in the morning and you have to go out at 8.30 in the morning.
4:02:00No problem.
4:02:03You've got the perfect excuse.
4:02:07But the first two mornings, you're absolutely clear.
4:02:09The first two days, after arrival day, and you have the meeting that afternoon and the banquet that night.
4:02:16Then the next day, you're clear until 3 o'clock.
4:02:22And the same the following day.
4:02:25For both of those, you're clear until 3, then you meet with Cho.
4:02:27And no follow-up.
4:02:31And the first evening, or the first evening is the second day, you're clear until 3, and you have a meeting, and you have the opera that night.
4:02:41The third day, you're clear until 3, and you have a meeting, and you have a gymnastic exhibition that night.
4:02:49Then the fourth day, you have to go to the wall, and you have a meeting that afternoon.
4:02:54The fifth day, you go to the Forbidden City, but that's only a one hour tour in the morning.
4:02:59That's all in the morning.
4:03:01Each day you eat at 3.
4:03:02But they emphasize flexibility.
4:03:05And, you know, as you get there, they may change that.
4:03:09But you're pretty safe in the morning because children isn't likely to be hungry.
4:03:14Your problem is going to be when you get clear at 9.
4:03:17Well, I'll have to work my hair out soon.
4:03:26Soon in the morning.
4:03:27But you'll be basically completely left alone.
4:03:29I could go on my own pace in the morning since then.
4:03:35Well, we certainly made a great decision to report to the Navy.
4:03:42But I don't have to come back here and prepare this son of a bitch.
4:03:48And you know what I mean?
4:03:51I can say it all, and I get off the airplane, and I can relax.
4:03:55I know your theory of staying on the sun when you're up, but you get pushed too far.
4:04:06The wall.
4:04:24The wall morning, you have to go out at 8.30 in the morning.
4:04:26No problem.
4:04:27You've got a perfect excuse.
4:04:33But the first two mornings, you're absolutely clear.
4:04:35The first two days, after arrival day, and you have the meeting that afternoon and the banquet that night, then the next day, you're clear until 3 o'clock.
4:04:48And the same the following day.
4:04:51For both of those, you're clear until 3, then you meet with Cho.
4:04:57And the first evening, the first evening is the second day, you're clear until three, then you have a meeting, then you have the opera that night.
4:05:07The third day, you're clear until three, then you have a meeting, then you have a gymnastic exhibition that night.
4:05:12Then the fourth day, you have to go to the wall, and you have a meeting that afternoon.
4:05:20The fifth day, you go to the Forbidden City, but that's only a one-hour tour in the morning.
4:05:25That's all.
4:05:26Each day to eat at 3.
4:05:28But they emphasize flexibility.
4:05:31And, you know, as you get there, they may change that.
4:05:35But you're pretty safe in the morning.
4:05:37This show doesn't like to be done.
4:05:40Your problem is going to be when you get clear at 9.
4:05:41I'll have to work my hair out soon.
4:05:47Soon in the morning.
4:05:53But you'll be basically completely left alone.
4:05:56You could go on your own pace in the morning since then.
4:06:01Well, we certainly made the right decision to report to the Navy.
4:06:07But I don't have to come back here and prepare this son of a bitch.
4:06:14And you know what I mean, I can say it all and I get off the airplane and I can relax.
4:06:21I know your theory of staying on the sun when you're up, but you can get pushed too far.
4:06:32I think we have to have those meetings.
4:06:37That's another way to make them all...
4:06:51I think tentatively what we'll do is we'll have those at 10 and we'll have some standby kind of scheduled activity for Tuesday and Wednesday.
4:07:01that'll be basically sort of domestic kind of stuff, but no, nothing that blocks you in, nothing that you have to agree with.
4:07:09We don't need to talk to you about it.
4:07:11We just haven't announced the president yet.
4:07:14And speaking of this domestic advisors, you know, and staff meetings, and somebody's got to come and tell them about the bus version of court, and to hear something about the wage board.
4:07:24We'll figure out what has to be done, then we'll have to set up a meeting with the college and create it together.
4:07:31I think we ought to set up, that should be the first day.
4:07:37I think we ought to have one with the .
4:07:47We should always have the .
4:07:55That one will still be Attorney General.
4:08:01I don't want you to squirm around pretending to drive my mother's group of business men.
4:08:06I don't want to shake hands.
4:08:13I'm talking about just internal meetings.
4:08:16There may be some, you know, where John Ehrlichman may need to catch on a couple points.
4:08:21I don't think you need to have meetings with the leaders.
4:08:27You don't need any of this stuff.
4:08:29Correct.
4:08:31Absolutely.
4:08:35Sure is.
4:08:36And then you do that Tuesday and Wednesday.
4:08:40And I think we ought to tentatively figure
4:08:44I'm going to Florida Wednesday night.
4:08:45We won't announce it.
4:08:46We won't set anything up.
4:08:48Except to have you set so you can.
4:08:51Then if you want to stay on here Thursday and do something, you can.
4:08:53If you want to leave, you're set so you can go.
4:08:56Why don't we plan to go to Florida Wednesday?
4:09:01Go fairly early Wednesday.
4:09:03That would be good.
4:09:05I mean, I'm at, uh, roughly...
4:09:10I don't think there's any need to stay longer than that.
4:09:13Do you?
4:09:14No.
4:09:14If you have the captain meeting, could you go to Laura again?
4:09:17Or could you?
4:09:18Yes.
4:09:18I wish for a little, but you won't want to go right into it anyway.
4:09:22I'd say maybe four o'clock.
4:09:25That's what I think.
4:09:25It's good at four, which is kind of...
4:09:27It's good to go down there and have a slim dinner if you want to get better.
4:09:31I won't unless you're kidding me.
4:09:36Move from there, keep the scan up.
4:09:43I've got a little water here.
4:09:46It's going to be a time.
4:09:53Well, it will be a time.
4:09:53The main thing will be just to sign up.
4:09:55Then figure I'll stay up until Sunday night.
4:09:56And we'll keep Monday clear so you can stay up on Friday and Saturday and Sunday.
4:10:00And we'll keep Monday clear so you can stay over Monday.
4:10:03If I don't leave, it really happens to start working once, which it might.
4:10:05I mean, I might just really start to feel it.
4:10:09And on the last day, I'll know when they want to come back, or I'll say, you know, I think I ought to stay.
4:10:18So we'll keep Monday clear.
4:10:19It might be open.
4:10:20We might stay.
4:10:23Now, with regard to the occurrences in the country, do we have to steal any of those?
4:10:30No.
4:10:30I'd rather not.
4:10:30Not if you don't want to go until the second week.
4:10:32If you want to go the first week, then we don't want to go to the second week.
4:10:36My point is I want to make a decision when I return.
4:10:41Right.
4:10:42To see how everybody feels.
4:10:43You know, how, I mean, there are some options ready to look at.
4:10:48You know what I mean?
4:10:49You know, ready that we can do anything.
4:10:57Why doesn't Patty go to California?
4:10:58That Friday, I believe.
4:10:59She has to be there on Saturday.
4:11:01Right.
4:11:01She has to be there for the boys.
4:11:02Well, it's not too bad if she's got that good welcome out there.
4:11:09That's good for the country, too.
4:11:11I think she'd be ready to go probably anyway.
4:11:24She might want to go on down to Florida early or something.
4:11:27Get out of here.
4:11:31I think we should be together, guys, and we can get down and come along here.
4:11:35Would you say the same thing?
4:11:46Sure.
4:11:46You guys ought to get a little stronger, might you?
4:11:49Yeah.
4:11:50That's very good.
4:11:51He's got a good...
4:11:53First, I've done a good little note to her on the, you know, some other points that are still coming in that he's getting information from China on.
4:12:01And says, you know, we would plan to, if she wants to, to talk with her on the plane on the way to Hawaii and cover any other questions she has.
4:12:10And he's done a good job of briefing it.
4:12:12You know, when you're stopping the plane, I mean, his job, briefing, you know, it's so, it would be better.
4:12:23The State Department people are angry.
4:12:26They just don't know, do they?
4:12:28Well, he's done these very well, because they're in conversational tone, the way she, you know, has questions, the kind of question the press is going to ask instead of the stereotype question.
4:12:38And he warns her about it, and then he goes through the problem of, you know, he points out some warnings to her that they may try to press her into comparisons of their system versus ours, how to handle those.
4:12:50not only the answer, but just a general guideline, kind of have to shift it to a basis to just talk about how English is involved.
4:13:00It's all stuff that may seem oversimplified.
4:13:04She may look at it and say, I don't know.
4:13:07It can't be helpful at all.
4:13:09It's always well to have yourself reminded because many times you just say something that seems totally logical.
4:13:16It's awfully wrong.
4:13:17And you just have to remind her, give her a little warning.
4:13:22I think she'll find this very helpful.
4:13:25I'm so glad it's not.
4:13:33I just hope this gal works out, because that is really .
4:13:39I'm glad that you have time.
4:13:43No commitments.
4:13:45Let's do our scheduled planning afterward.
4:13:57We'll have plenty of time.
4:14:01Ikea's laid out, ready to move in to gear, but don't get locked on anything.
4:14:14Have yourself set so you can go to Ikea's cane.
4:14:17Yep.
4:14:32But wasn't he mentioning something about that we had it scheduled for the day?
4:14:38No, that was just the thought that we'd go hit the country that week.
4:14:42I don't think that matters, though.
4:14:45I don't think you need to ignore it.
4:14:46The fact of any of those primaries is to ignore them.
4:14:49Yeah.
4:14:51Couldn't agree more.
4:14:53There's no bearing.
4:14:53You just go.
4:14:58Isn't it interesting on that?
4:15:02He hates us on the economy, and he hates them on the water.
4:15:08He gets that hard hat view across.
4:15:11Yep.
4:15:11Coastal officer reported that Muskie's... Hard caught loaves.
4:15:27Yeah, loaves coming at Muskie on Muskie.
4:15:38I don't know if it helps, but I think it does.
4:15:40It's getting played around a little bit, and I think anything that takes anyone helps.
4:15:42Well, I think that, frankly, it's in trouble away from us, down from Marlowe.
4:15:48Sure.
4:15:49And there's a little bit of a press that really can build a strong man there.
4:15:55One of those cardboard man, crazy Abraham Lincoln businesses.
4:15:58It's unbelievable.
4:16:02Always reasonable.
4:16:03Always careful.
4:16:04Always right.
4:16:05They take every one of his faults and turn it around.
4:16:08A guy who can't make up his mind and he flip-flops, so they say that's a man of great wisdom who considers things carefully.
4:16:22A set of standards, clearly.
4:16:27But he is...
4:16:30He should not have moved on this floor.
4:16:39His best posture is to be in the center.
4:16:42If he isn't in the center, his posture is not to be out there on the left.
4:16:45He's over on the left, solid and hard now.
4:16:46On that issue, would you like something to share?
4:16:51Sure.
4:16:54He's got a hell of a...
4:16:54I don't know how he can get back.
4:16:57He's there and pretty much there to stay.
4:17:11Unless we let it back.
4:17:15Well, the People's Center is a sheriff.
4:17:17Yeah, he is.
4:17:18They can remember that.
4:17:27They've forgotten the Pentagon Papers now.
4:17:29They forgot the Anderson Papers.
4:17:30They've forgotten the Anderson Papers.
4:17:31They've forgotten India and Pakistan.
4:17:35Pretty much.
4:17:35Bangladesh still has a little.
4:17:36Sure.
4:17:37But we'll recognize them in the future.
4:17:39And don't forget that.
4:17:42Just like they'd forgotten those ebos that were starving to death.
4:17:49Boy, yeah.
4:17:50Yeah.
4:17:53But remember how, boy, that was so big.
4:17:56It's really amazing that now he came up and he supported those tons and then ran to him.
4:18:00That's what he called it.
4:18:03Yeah.
4:18:04I hope he does it again today.
4:18:06He will.
4:18:15of the forgotten issues of Cali.
4:18:18Where is Lieutenant Cali today?
4:18:19It's way back up on the island.
4:18:43It's funny.
4:18:44I get my weekly report from my two college kids.
4:18:48Yeah.
4:18:48And they talk to both of us.
4:18:52And you always have this.
4:18:54They call, you know, some of them on Sunday, though not necessarily.
4:18:59It just happens that last week they called after your speech the week before, and then we didn't hear from them after the week before.
4:19:08I was very, especially with one of you, see I love the boy.
4:19:12He's very involved in politics and stuff.
4:19:16And I thought, especially with his professors and stuff.
4:19:20So I said, well, you survived this week.
4:19:23And he said, this has been the most fun of any week I've had at school.
4:19:26I said, why?
4:19:26He said, because there's been a lot of discussion.
4:19:30Everybody's pretty interested.
4:19:31And I said, well, I assume that I really turned him off with my McCarthyism model.
4:19:36He said, not at all.
4:19:38On the college campuses, even the left-wing kids liked it, because it was a fight again.
4:19:44They liked seeing something stirred up.
4:19:47He said, some of them were staring at you on the basis of a McCarthyism business.
4:19:53He said, not very many.
4:19:54They don't know McCarthy.
4:19:55They don't understand what they're talking about about McCarthyism.
4:19:59Which is interesting.
4:20:01They weren't alive when they were conscious.
4:20:03That's right.
4:20:06So they really don't know.
4:20:07Well, they weren't even alive.
4:20:09Most of the 17 patients weren't alive.
4:20:11They died.
4:20:14They got him 50-something, I don't know, 50-80.
4:20:18So what happened was, anyway, they went around and he was an interesting note, because, you know, that's the day he says something new, the hell up there is, the hell up there is.
4:20:29He loves him, so does that new hand, too.
4:20:32And then he bought it, and it's, again, totally a bullet to the price of everything.
4:20:42I said, you know, we turned the kids off.
4:20:44Did I turn them off?
4:20:45Was it, did it really create problems?
4:20:47He said, no, no, he didn't think so.
4:20:48Which is kind of interesting.
4:20:55Well, I'll tell you, I do think it became, it came at a good time in the sense that, like we said this before, the January 9th dispute, you were murdered, you know,
4:21:10Because if I hadn't had it, it wouldn't have been so bad.
4:21:12We had a pretty good number of people.
4:22:03So, your head is going to wait until she returns, and then send back all of your pictures to check.
4:22:05Other than that, you can send your pictures back as far as you can.
4:22:06Don't you think that would be a better idea?
4:22:07Yeah.
4:22:07It would blow up that line.
4:22:08Yes.
4:22:08Yes, we've got to have a specific plan.
4:22:09Well, I don't think that's what I was going to do.
4:22:10No.
4:22:10No, that's not what I was going to do.
4:22:35It's a book, it's a novel. I want to try it. It's a book, it's a novel. It's a book, it's a novel. It's a book, it's a novel. It's a book, it's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a novel. It's a
4:22:48I think you're perfectly all right on that.
4:22:50It's awfully nice to have something after you get one to send back to them and sort of thank you for what you have to say.
4:22:55But it's more personal.
4:22:56And if it's already pre-programmed and you've got it all with you, you've got plenty, you're giving them plenty of freedom to do it.
4:23:01I wonder if you might ask our friend in Washington.
4:23:12Thank you.
4:23:13Thank you.
4:23:13Thank you.
4:23:38Everybody lies.
4:23:38You know, all you can make of it is this spectacular picture of you and Joe, or you and Mal, or the four of you, or something like that.
4:23:41I still think that you did all the rest.
4:24:01You see that one?
4:24:02An autographed single picture, too.
4:24:05Well, they all have a road sign on them.
4:24:09I sent one of those, but I sent one of the others, too.
4:24:13That's about it.
4:24:14Are we going to take these with us, behind you, and go into that one, and have those done, and then send the others back?
4:24:20Is that what you want?
4:24:32Well, that's what we need to know today.
4:24:32Maybe it's a good idea to have them so that if Joe gives, if they give you pictures and you've got them there, you can decide there whether you think you have an idea in the city.
4:24:37You might have a good idea, but only for the time being, too.
4:24:38Is that right?
4:24:39Oh, sure.
4:24:39Oh, you always have it.
4:24:40Oh, yeah.
4:24:40I think so.
4:24:40All right.
4:24:41I think maybe there's a case that we might not use it.
4:24:42All right.
4:25:03Okay.
4:25:12You see, my trouble with a band dinner is that I have dinner in my home.
4:25:19Even at that last night, it was over at that time with me, but that was how it was.
4:25:27But when you're up on stage, and I'm on stage, you're always there to go to bed.
4:25:33I'm on stage at all times, and it's like it is.
4:25:37It's a hell of a lot different.
4:25:37I mean, we're not going to sleep until the next day.
4:25:39I think it's...
4:25:39I mean, I think the reason is to...

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