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That's a barber.

Five o'clock tomorrow.

Okay.

Now, if you remember that, uh, briefcase.

Yeah.

They're all up in the sand.

Are there any other people who would be black folks?

I don't think so, sir.

If you want to talk about the movement, we do, sir.

He had to just be sure that all the books, and that they're not left over there at the OV.

I gotta find this stuff.

Oh, gee, I really need to do it at all.

I need it.

Or you could just put it in there, right?

I don't know.

Okay.

You know, I don't know whether it would be helpful or not, but I think it's rather a good idea to have Brian go along.

And it seems bad to me, but I'm going to do it, sir.

And it might provide some sort of change, probably something.

That's absolutely right.

Too much at stake not to have cover all the possibilities of making it work out as easy as possible.

And you get out where I would think it might be very hard because you get out and you have to go out and out into the cold in and out of places and all that.

You get kinks and all that here.

He's good because he can take care of it in just a few minutes.

It's a long process.

Yeah, that's the trouble.

You have to get all of it.

A little bit of oil.

I don't want to eat stuff and you've got to get an un-oiled attitude or it's an hour or so later.

I have no license.

I mean, I don't care about the brownies either, but it's a...

I think it does more good.

It avoids the possibility of muscle spasms.

Yeah.

Sure does.

You've got all that time sitting on the airplane, all that time sitting in those long meetings.

It's a good chance you're going to have to sit with children for long sessions.

You know, it's a good chance you're going to have to sit with children for long sessions.

He doesn't need to be on a mission.

There's no way you can do it when you're up there anyway.

What's that?

A table.

But you don't immediately have to arrive on it?

No, we have him on it, you know.

He'll be in the hotel.

He'll be standing by all the time.

Immediately on arrival in each place, and immediately after a session and all that, and then before you go to bed at night.

And use him whenever you want.

And don't worry too much about having to cover other people.

It's better to have a hybrid.

Build it to you.

Give Henry some help, which will be good.

That's important.

And then beyond that, it just doesn't matter that much.

If he's got enough to do, he can help a press guy or something or a staff person.

And help Rose.

There you go.

There she goes.

All right.

I'll bet you.

That's a question I'm not choosing.

The way I did it, when I tried to work the suit thing out, is not to try to do it irregularly.

But there is going to be an irregularity.

I tried to take some periods of time to have the schedule loose.

I don't know if I could take a long time if I had to.

I think we have it set that way pretty much.

I hope nothing early in the morning or anything.

There's one morning that there is.

You have to go out to the wall or something.

Perfect excuse.

The wall.

The wall in the morning and you have to go out at 8.30 in the morning.

No problem.

You've got the perfect excuse.

But the first two mornings, you're absolutely clear.

The first two days, after arrival day, and you have the meeting that afternoon and the banquet that night.

Then the next day, you're clear until 3 o'clock.

And the same the following day.

For both of those, you're clear until 3, then you meet with Cho.

And no follow-up.

And the first evening, or the first evening is the second day, you're clear until 3, and you have a meeting, and you have the opera that night.

The third day, you're clear until 3, and you have a meeting, and you have a gymnastic exhibition that night.

Then the fourth day, you have to go to the wall, and you have a meeting that afternoon.

The fifth day, you go to the Forbidden City, but that's only a one hour tour in the morning.

That's all in the morning.

Each day you eat at 3.

But they emphasize flexibility.

And, you know, as you get there, they may change that.

But you're pretty safe in the morning because children isn't likely to be hungry.

Your problem is going to be when you get clear at 9.

Well, I'll have to work my hair out soon.

Soon in the morning.

But you'll be basically completely left alone.

I could go on my own pace in the morning since then.

Well, we certainly made a great decision to report to the Navy.

But I don't have to come back here and prepare this son of a bitch.

And you know what I mean?

I can say it all, and I get off the airplane, and I can relax.

I know your theory of staying on the sun when you're up, but you get pushed too far.

The wall.

The wall morning, you have to go out at 8.30 in the morning.

No problem.

You've got a perfect excuse.

But the first two mornings, you're absolutely clear.

The first two days, after arrival day, and you have the meeting that afternoon and the banquet that night, then the next day, you're clear until 3 o'clock.

And the same the following day.

For both of those, you're clear until 3, then you meet with Cho.

And the first evening, the first evening is the second day, you're clear until three, then you have a meeting, then you have the opera that night.

The third day, you're clear until three, then you have a meeting, then you have a gymnastic exhibition that night.

Then the fourth day, you have to go to the wall, and you have a meeting that afternoon.

The fifth day, you go to the Forbidden City, but that's only a one-hour tour in the morning.

That's all.

Each day to eat at 3.

But they emphasize flexibility.

And, you know, as you get there, they may change that.

But you're pretty safe in the morning.

This show doesn't like to be done.

Your problem is going to be when you get clear at 9.

I'll have to work my hair out soon.

Soon in the morning.

But you'll be basically completely left alone.

You could go on your own pace in the morning since then.

Well, we certainly made the right decision to report to the Navy.

But I don't have to come back here and prepare this son of a bitch.

And you know what I mean, I can say it all and I get off the airplane and I can relax.

I know your theory of staying on the sun when you're up, but you can get pushed too far.

I think we have to have those meetings.

That's another way to make them all...

I think tentatively what we'll do is we'll have those at 10 and we'll have some standby kind of scheduled activity for Tuesday and Wednesday.

that'll be basically sort of domestic kind of stuff, but no, nothing that blocks you in, nothing that you have to agree with.

We don't need to talk to you about it.

We just haven't announced the president yet.

And speaking of this domestic advisors, you know, and staff meetings, and somebody's got to come and tell them about the bus version of court, and to hear something about the wage board.

We'll figure out what has to be done, then we'll have to set up a meeting with the college and create it together.

I think we ought to set up, that should be the first day.

I think we ought to have one with the .

We should always have the .

That one will still be Attorney General.

I don't want you to squirm around pretending to drive my mother's group of business men.

I don't want to shake hands.

I'm talking about just internal meetings.

There may be some, you know, where John Ehrlichman may need to catch on a couple points.

I don't think you need to have meetings with the leaders.

You don't need any of this stuff.

Correct.

Absolutely.

Sure is.

And then you do that Tuesday and Wednesday.

And I think we ought to tentatively figure

I'm going to Florida Wednesday night.

We won't announce it.

We won't set anything up.

Except to have you set so you can.

Then if you want to stay on here Thursday and do something, you can.

If you want to leave, you're set so you can go.

Why don't we plan to go to Florida Wednesday?

Go fairly early Wednesday.

That would be good.

I mean, I'm at, uh, roughly...

I don't think there's any need to stay longer than that.

Do you?

No.

If you have the captain meeting, could you go to Laura again?

Or could you?

Yes.

I wish for a little, but you won't want to go right into it anyway.

I'd say maybe four o'clock.

That's what I think.

It's good at four, which is kind of...

It's good to go down there and have a slim dinner if you want to get better.

I won't unless you're kidding me.

Move from there, keep the scan up.

I've got a little water here.

It's going to be a time.

Well, it will be a time.

The main thing will be just to sign up.

Then figure I'll stay up until Sunday night.

And we'll keep Monday clear so you can stay up on Friday and Saturday and Sunday.

And we'll keep Monday clear so you can stay over Monday.

If I don't leave, it really happens to start working once, which it might.

I mean, I might just really start to feel it.

And on the last day, I'll know when they want to come back, or I'll say, you know, I think I ought to stay.

So we'll keep Monday clear.

It might be open.

We might stay.

Now, with regard to the occurrences in the country, do we have to steal any of those?

No.

I'd rather not.

Not if you don't want to go until the second week.

If you want to go the first week, then we don't want to go to the second week.

My point is I want to make a decision when I return.

Right.

To see how everybody feels.

You know, how, I mean, there are some options ready to look at.

You know what I mean?

You know, ready that we can do anything.

Why doesn't Patty go to California?

That Friday, I believe.

She has to be there on Saturday.

Right.

She has to be there for the boys.

Well, it's not too bad if she's got that good welcome out there.

That's good for the country, too.

I think she'd be ready to go probably anyway.

She might want to go on down to Florida early or something.

Get out of here.

I think we should be together, guys, and we can get down and come along here.

Would you say the same thing?

Sure.

You guys ought to get a little stronger, might you?

Yeah.

That's very good.

He's got a good...

First, I've done a good little note to her on the, you know, some other points that are still coming in that he's getting information from China on.

And says, you know, we would plan to, if she wants to, to talk with her on the plane on the way to Hawaii and cover any other questions she has.

And he's done a good job of briefing it.

You know, when you're stopping the plane, I mean, his job, briefing, you know, it's so, it would be better.

The State Department people are angry.

They just don't know, do they?

Well, he's done these very well, because they're in conversational tone, the way she, you know, has questions, the kind of question the press is going to ask instead of the stereotype question.

And he warns her about it, and then he goes through the problem of, you know, he points out some warnings to her that they may try to press her into comparisons of their system versus ours, how to handle those.

not only the answer, but just a general guideline, kind of have to shift it to a basis to just talk about how English is involved.

It's all stuff that may seem oversimplified.

She may look at it and say, I don't know.

It can't be helpful at all.

It's always well to have yourself reminded because many times you just say something that seems totally logical.

It's awfully wrong.

And you just have to remind her, give her a little warning.

I think she'll find this very helpful.

I'm so glad it's not.

I just hope this gal works out, because that is really .

I'm glad that you have time.

No commitments.

Let's do our scheduled planning afterward.

We'll have plenty of time.

Ikea's laid out, ready to move in to gear, but don't get locked on anything.

Have yourself set so you can go to Ikea's cane.

Yep.

But wasn't he mentioning something about that we had it scheduled for the day?

No, that was just the thought that we'd go hit the country that week.

I don't think that matters, though.

I don't think you need to ignore it.

The fact of any of those primaries is to ignore them.

Yeah.

Couldn't agree more.

There's no bearing.

You just go.

Isn't it interesting on that?

He hates us on the economy, and he hates them on the water.

He gets that hard hat view across.

Yep.

Coastal officer reported that Muskie's... Hard caught loaves.

Yeah, loaves coming at Muskie on Muskie.

I don't know if it helps, but I think it does.

It's getting played around a little bit, and I think anything that takes anyone helps.

Well, I think that, frankly, it's in trouble away from us, down from Marlowe.

Sure.

And there's a little bit of a press that really can build a strong man there.

One of those cardboard man, crazy Abraham Lincoln businesses.

It's unbelievable.

Always reasonable.

Always careful.

Always right.

They take every one of his faults and turn it around.

A guy who can't make up his mind and he flip-flops, so they say that's a man of great wisdom who considers things carefully.

A set of standards, clearly.

But he is...

He should not have moved on this floor.

His best posture is to be in the center.

If he isn't in the center, his posture is not to be out there on the left.

He's over on the left, solid and hard now.

On that issue, would you like something to share?

Sure.

He's got a hell of a...

I don't know how he can get back.

He's there and pretty much there to stay.

Unless we let it back.

Well, the People's Center is a sheriff.

Yeah, he is.

They can remember that.

They've forgotten the Pentagon Papers now.

They forgot the Anderson Papers.

They've forgotten the Anderson Papers.

They've forgotten India and Pakistan.

Pretty much.

Bangladesh still has a little.

Sure.

But we'll recognize them in the future.

And don't forget that.

Just like they'd forgotten those ebos that were starving to death.

Boy, yeah.

Yeah.

But remember how, boy, that was so big.

It's really amazing that now he came up and he supported those tons and then ran to him.

That's what he called it.

Yeah.

I hope he does it again today.

He will.

of the forgotten issues of Cali.

Where is Lieutenant Cali today?

It's way back up on the island.

It's funny.

I get my weekly report from my two college kids.

Yeah.

And they talk to both of us.

And you always have this.

They call, you know, some of them on Sunday, though not necessarily.

It just happens that last week they called after your speech the week before, and then we didn't hear from them after the week before.

I was very, especially with one of you, see I love the boy.

He's very involved in politics and stuff.

And I thought, especially with his professors and stuff.

So I said, well, you survived this week.

And he said, this has been the most fun of any week I've had at school.

I said, why?

He said, because there's been a lot of discussion.

Everybody's pretty interested.

And I said, well, I assume that I really turned him off with my McCarthyism model.

He said, not at all.

On the college campuses, even the left-wing kids liked it, because it was a fight again.

They liked seeing something stirred up.

He said, some of them were staring at you on the basis of a McCarthyism business.

He said, not very many.

They don't know McCarthy.

They don't understand what they're talking about about McCarthyism.

Which is interesting.

They weren't alive when they were conscious.

That's right.

So they really don't know.

Well, they weren't even alive.

Most of the 17 patients weren't alive.

They died.

They got him 50-something, I don't know, 50-80.

So what happened was, anyway, they went around and he was an interesting note, because, you know, that's the day he says something new, the hell up there is, the hell up there is.

He loves him, so does that new hand, too.

And then he bought it, and it's, again, totally a bullet to the price of everything.

I said, you know, we turned the kids off.

Did I turn them off?

Was it, did it really create problems?

He said, no, no, he didn't think so.

Which is kind of interesting.

Well, I'll tell you, I do think it became, it came at a good time in the sense that, like we said this before, the January 9th dispute, you were murdered, you know,

Because if I hadn't had it, it wouldn't have been so bad.

We had a pretty good number of people.

So, your head is going to wait until she returns, and then send back all of your pictures to check.

Other than that, you can send your pictures back as far as you can.

Don't you think that would be a better idea?

Yeah.

It would blow up that line.

Yes.

Yes, we've got to have a specific plan.

Well, I don't think that's what I was going to do.

No.

No, that's not what I was going to do.

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I think you're perfectly all right on that.

It's awfully nice to have something after you get one to send back to them and sort of thank you for what you have to say.

But it's more personal.

And if it's already pre-programmed and you've got it all with you, you've got plenty, you're giving them plenty of freedom to do it.

I wonder if you might ask our friend in Washington.

Thank you.

Everybody lies.

You know, all you can make of it is this spectacular picture of you and Joe, or you and Mal, or the four of you, or something like that.

I still think that you did all the rest.

You see that one?

An autographed single picture, too.

Well, they all have a road sign on them.

I sent one of those, but I sent one of the others, too.

That's about it.

Are we going to take these with us, behind you, and go into that one, and have those done, and then send the others back?

Is that what you want?

Well, that's what we need to know today.

Maybe it's a good idea to have them so that if Joe gives, if they give you pictures and you've got them there, you can decide there whether you think you have an idea in the city.

You might have a good idea, but only for the time being, too.

Is that right?

Oh, sure.

Oh, you always have it.

Oh, yeah.

I think so.

All right.

I think maybe there's a case that we might not use it.

All right.

Okay.

You see, my trouble with a band dinner is that I have dinner in my home.

Even at that last night, it was over at that time with me, but that was how it was.

But when you're up on stage, and I'm on stage, you're always there to go to bed.

I'm on stage at all times, and it's like it is.

It's a hell of a lot different.

I mean, we're not going to sleep until the next day.

I don't know.

I think it's...

I mean, I think the reason is to...