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I don't know.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

Yep.

That's me.

The main thing is that, of course, we don't want to have to make, to have a pick-up that they can't know in terms of the events in the media.

You see, we've got to be ready.

The substance is not the important thing about the trade.

Do you understand?

Yeah, sure do.

If we were under pressure on substance abuse, it might be a good idea to go ahead and file a letter because it's recorded in the JROPS testifying.

In fact, it should be on the record back on there.

Not good.

I'm not sure of that.

You can't.

I'm not sure of that.

What time do we begin at the end?

I thought I did at the end.

that Dr. President, he actually had something to do with it.

And, uh, he never did.

Is that what you want to do?

Will it work out?

Do you feel so ever that we should make the day a little bit first?

So, you know, for instance, some days, some of the favorite days, you replace them, you know, and all that sort of thing.

And so it's fine.

Now, then I go on to say, if you like, and you said it on your own, you don't know what it is, but I had something to read.

There's a lot of people out there.

Basically, the director answered that, countered that, that's... You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

We're really doing more of that from here, out of closest thing.

Well, no, he's got a machine over there.

He's good.

But he's very close to D-10.

Yeah, D-10 moving in over there.

Yeah, yeah.

That's right.

My point is, I've been thinking about it last night in terms of the situation.

I wonder if we don't really have a situation here where

There's obviously these talking people where it's the question about the attitude of the sexist ass and discipline and this and that and the other thing.

If an individual is disclosed as a casual and includes his own personal prejudices about what they are,

uh over a period of time

I mean, we can probably count it a dozen times when we've done things, you know, some of the babies have done this, you know what I mean?

We've been really overly solicitous about anything, have we not?

So, yeah, I mean, it's completely a good result, you know?

And I think that it's not always the best way.

It may not change hands, but I don't think it's good for others to get any impressions at this point in time.

I don't think you're going to get much with the sort of bigotry to say all that stuff.

Well, I don't.

That's good.

Did you talk to him?

No.

I want to talk to him before I talk to Matt.

Fine.

I don't know.

What kind of sending?

I don't think we should have paid him to stay on it.

I agree.

I think maybe it's, I think it is a good idea to say he will understand and that's fine.

He wants to go and go.

I don't want to hold him.

You don't want to hold him.

Yeah.

But then to get in front of my viewpoint, I just can't, can't understand this.

Sure.

And not that you can't, I don't know, but you in a position to come back, to come back basically to this.

And you've got to face this fact that, well, you know, we've got to, you can't go talk to the conservatives.

It's, we really haven't been sending basically the right man because he was too much or he was bad with it.

You know what I mean?

So let's look over to that guy.

He's more sweet, but he more represented him to us than us to him.

Let me say this.

You can.

Well, he says he understands, but he almost never is stubborn.

He only gives us a little key every time.

He's like, take the horse, bring the court justices, and they ain't going to let you do that.

Take the beat to a beat, or take the stand on a bus, and take the...

Oh, anybody can think, take Cambodia.

Anybody can think of a lot of things.

ADM. Defense.

And you never hear if you can, are any of those people standing up for what you've done right?

Correct?

Yes, sir.

They say, well, you did that, okay, but when you go into the run, it's not very often.

It's not very often.

But I think we're in a position at this time that we may be dealing with a state of mind of thought that was very useful over a period of time, very important to us.

mainly because of his enormous ability.

I mean, frankly, a left-winger would have been just as useful with that kind of ability as we have in my experience.

We didn't have any left-winger pass capabilities.

Pecan circle around a heater, you see, for example.

Or any of those other balls over there.

Right?

Yep.

So, that's the way it is, in my opinion.

I think it's that we should offer that you'd like to go.

It's up to him.

Of course, we would keep shouting on her position.

I think that's a nice thing to do.

They should be working in the same place anyway.

That would be a good thing.

And I would say Joe would like her to stay if he would like her to.

And we'd like her to have that.

He may put his friends in the trial there, too.

But I don't think so.

I don't think he's going to in any way be purposely harmful.

I don't think so.

No, it's a matter, but I think you've got to present that I, that it's a matter of, I understand, a matter of conscience and conviction and the rest.

And that's that, that I, that I would, that I would request that you stand and be able to first put it, I think that's the thing to say, don't you?

I'll stay on the rest of the trip until 15 A.O.C.

What do you want?

I was going to say to May 1st, which will get us past China, April 1st, we may still be on China some, on this side.

Actually, we're going to be pretty much on China next week.

Yeah.

Oh, shit, there are other things.

There isn't much more to write about.

The China thing will just be raised every time somebody raises it from abroad.

See that LA Times editorial?

Yes, it was very good.

On exactly that point, you really do some re-analysis, so you get the impression that 90% of the stuff is negative.

On China, there's nothing.

Usually the ground's too thin.

What's it going to look like?

That one local program.

They always report that.

Because it is a program that people in Washington.

In Washington.

It's not named Jerry Bob.

It's a local.

They find you've got an injury, and then someone puts it right in the water, and you've got to tell them.

They can tell you what you should all do, but...

You know, when you look back, he never failed to really take it well.

He does it in a practical way because he maintains that appearance of being objective, and he even kids our people into thinking he is.

Oh, my God.

And then, from that, he sort of mentally slides it.

Basically, he's a good artist.

I do.

Did you see Colson's own little bear?

It's great.

It's very interesting.

Harris made the point again, apparently on his own initiative, that in looking at this whole kind of thing, he's convinced that the substance is not important at all, but Nixon, the man, has come through just a resounding way that people said, my God, there's a president of the United States, and he believes him.

In fact, I think he ended that defense.

He sees that as a breakthrough, a real breakthrough in the Nixon campaign.

When you notice that he must be with all of our son, God be with him.

The image, the picture of the man, it says there's a new thing there now.

Because then they argue that the kitchen debate was sort of, that he still lost in 60.

You know, that's a little ridiculous to compare the kitchen debate, which was in 59, not in 60.

It was in July.

It was a year and a half before the election came.

instead of eight months, six months, eight months ago.

And that was the coverage on that.

Of course, the awareness of it was high, but the coverage that got the coverage was didn't even begin to come out.

The one picture got marked by the picture as well.

Of course, that one picture told a story too.

But this, you have to understand the impression.

You can't do it without him.

Well, I told him that, you know, I always do a show of hands.

He's looking, you know, very, uh, pleased, which is not too bad.

Of course, they took what was over the weekend.

There wasn't much over the weekend.

They didn't have Sunday.

to get so steeped up about it, to get so passionate about it, to get scared of alarms, etc., every time.

Any comments?

Well, if you talk about it in terms of just being a one small thing related to it,

I heard today, yes, well, one man, one small particular person, unless some asshole indicated, I haven't heard about it, the NBC recorded information by a broadcast device that reads, and I had the chair.

Did you see that?

Yep.

Wait a second.

Was that put out by us or not by the state?

I would guess it's by them.

I don't know.

We have no plans of spending any of that.

All of us in San Diego have never had it done.

Sure.

I don't think it's a necessary issue.

No, I think it is.

How would I do that?

He's been asked about this question.

I wouldn't describe it as a whole.

He could cover NBC.

Well, he may be asked about it.

Certainly not.

Whatever time the president spends in California, the time the convention will spend, that's the question.

That is the question.

I don't know.

I'm glad I don't really use the Sheraton.

It's also a fellow American hotel.

The Sheraton?

Yeah.

Arnold Smith's hotel is apparently really one of the greatest hotels in the world.

It really, literally is.

It's just absolutely superb.

Did you discuss the planning part of it?

I don't know what the hell it's all about.

It seemed to me, planning, while we're rather clumsy, there's no problem.

As far as the facts are concerned, the problem is really a question of PR and how we handle it now, because planning, of course, is very anxious to file a statement with the committee or make a statement to the press or do something to get the facts out, because it's

I don't know enough about it, but what is the fact?

What happened is that McLaren and Kleindienst were trying to determine how to settle a second.

Kleindienst said McLaren was objecting to the position that was being taken, the analysis that had been made.

Kleindienst said, well, whose judgment on this would you respect?

And McLaren said, Kleindienst.

So Kleindienst, for the jurors in the office, picked up the phone and called Kleindienst.

He said, could you get into this money?

He said, it's gonna take a lot more time to make an analysis of this than I've got.

But I would suggest that we, and then he's not sure, either he or McLaren suggested they bring this guy Ramson in, who had been a White House fellow working for Rumsfeld for a year, but before that, and subsequent to that, was in the investment banking business in New York, had done an analysis on LTV, the LTV merger, which McLaren was very much impressed with.

And my friend said, that's fine.

Have Ramson do a study for us.

Give us a rundown.

And Ramson did.

And on the basis of that, we came up with a very tough decision on IT&T.

We did love to keep the sheriff, because there would have been serious detrimental effects to their .

But we may have dropped Canteen Corporation and a whole bunch of other things in the same decision.

I heard about it.

My recollection is that ITT was basically my fault.

I was just checking.

Exactly.

It was a very tough decision.

I heard about it.

They're somewhat young, and there's one thing that just started to die out of that.

One guy gave a good run for ITT.

Mike, it was a name I don't know, Mike, that we haven't solved, but Mike.

But my point is that if I wasn't planning it, of course it was going to make a difference.

That's just ridiculous.

But he said that he walked out of his house this morning and they had an NBC crew and an interview over on his doorstep.

Did he ask you to come, sir?

He said, I talked to him.

I wish I could talk to him, but I'm lost and I have to go.

In life.

But... Yeah.

The Ransom thing is completely antiquated.

There is nothing that can hang on that.

But as they keep probing, as we've done, we do have some dangers, not in substance anywhere, but in adherence, in innuendo, stuff they can dig up, where they, you know, one thing leads to another.

They look into, they're currently going to call Jack Gleason today.

Now, that's going to be unfortunate, because Jack Lee's just a very bright guy.

And he was doing all the fundraising in 70, you know, for the congressional campaign stuff.

And it turns out he's on a retainer at IT&T.

Now, what of that?

And, uh, he was waiting to solve it for IT&T, so he went inside IT&T.

How did the beard memorandum get out?

Well, the beard memorandum may be a fake.

Mitchell's convinced that it is.

And, uh, my God, that's a great case.

Let's go find out.

I told you she's a, she's a rough customer.

I remember, and I, I know that now.

It's the same one.

It's a lot of customers.

That's, that's, that's, you know,

and what i think we've got to do is get uh

We need to get a smaller group together.

And we need to get Sapphire in this because this is an area where Sapphire is just damn good and knows how to work on it.

How about more?

More would be good too, but Sapphire is better.

to cover up the type of business.

You know, turning this thing around.

See, that's what Sapphire did on that other planning thing that they were trying to get before Sapphire got into it.

They turned it into a plus instead of a negative.

It came out damn well.

This ought to be able to be done the same thing to it because it's a bum rap and we've got

three gates on our side, which is the main build-up of office coming from the Washington Post, Kennedy City.

It doesn't have the broadest, the broader average of the other things.

I noticed that the Times, that play has been down considerably in terms of that, but the Washington Post, the Washington Post basically stars that on its own.

It was hard to look, it's a horrible story, but in terms of the national effect, I noticed there was a judgmental error here on the state,

And with the localization, they did a damn stupid mistake.

Colson's Collaboration.

No, no, not Colson's.

Mitchell's.

Made a stupid mistake in reloading the hearing.

All he would have seen, he had a juggernaut tying this thing in.

He could have...

Now, for instance,

Justice or somebody is asking that the domestic counsel study on antitrust policies be released to the Hill.

That would be a freaking disaster.

Who will clear us up on the IT&T thing?

But it would put us in a terrible position with everybody else.

On the whole business of collecting shots.

And we're not adopted.

I guess it is.

Well, of course.

But this is our people.

This is the Justice Department people wanting to do it.

See there?

You're into a thing where you've got parties that interest on a crusade to clean their own skirts, not looking at the other ramifications of each of the things that they're doing.

Their skirts are clean.

Climbing is clear on this, but the problem is each time you lift up another one of these rocks, some other kinds of worms start squirting around, and we may be clear on all of them.

So let's get to the point.

What exactly is the point?

What is the

Oh, this is another one of those things that runs, of course, it may, it may not.

I mean, you see where the Baltimore Suns, oh yeah, that's a scandal of a hundred years.

Yeah, for Christ sakes.

If it only, that's only true if they can tie all, all of a bunch of, you know, you have to really look.

Well, if anything comes to us, Gleason may on their hair, or one of his crazy son of a bitch on their pink roll of hair.

Does he have to go down to this spot?

I don't understand.

He's not inside.

He has no basis here, I'm telling you.

Well, for Christ sakes.

Well, how did they discover that?

I mean, is he, uh, is he still the Viking tourist?

No.

But going back on the sheriff and hotel thing, because I checked on that and it turned out we're, our spirits are so clear on that that it's unbelievable.

In fact, our convention guy, I don't know what's his name,

If you understand the topic, it's also a California story.

And there's, you know, as they go around this whole convention, there's a possibility of drawing things into it.

Lines, bottles, built-ins, you know, all those arrangements.

But all of that were completely thrown in that...

We refused to accept the sheriff's contribution, which was not being made to the Republican Party.

It was being made to the San Diego Ocean Committee, who were trying to hand the other money to a local promotion to get a convention there.

Well, why is it that every jury says there's been a Republican campaign contribution?

That's good.

That every jury does it, but that's the line that they're celebrating.

I don't know if you'll all believe.

Here, it goes down.

We, our convention guys, said Frank Hayes, not Frank Hayes, then Wilson,

No, it's that Midwest campaign manager guy.

The guy Mitchell always uses and he's got him running the convention now.

He looked at the San Diego offer and he said the share of the contribution of $400,000, which is what was proposed at one point, is that we will not accept.

Because, first of all, it's way out of proportion.

Why did they want to do this?

Well, because they wanted a convention there.

And they probably did have some interest in exercising some influence.

But he wouldn't accept the thing, and he won't accept it.

They have now, all they've contributed is $100,000.

There is a check, apparently, that they've sent to the San Diego committee.

Not the Proposal Committee, the Convention Committee, the San Diego Civic Committee.

It's going to take our $100,000.

And our guy has said, you can't even accept that.

We won't take it from the sheriff because they're doing business with the government.

You'll have to reject that line and raise your funds somewhere else.

So it worked, but when did they start to do that after the investigation?

Oh, six months ago, eight months ago.

Long time ago.

They will be here last year.

Then we have to accept the contributions.

We have not accepted the contributions.

Well, we are not accepting any contributions.

Because we told them that we will prevent them.

Because they were involved in this whole business with trying to get the convention in San Diego.

Yeah, but they weren't involved in IT.

No, no, no.

Only in the basic plane.

San Diego bid for the convention.

Well, we should come out with these facts first, that the settlement on IT&T was not a...

It was one that IC&T, what you are entitled to, was one that IT&T thought was too tough.

Correct?

Yep.

All right.

In other words, the substance is wrong.

In the second, as far as the potential clientes are concerned, they had nothing to do with the settlement.

What I mean is they had, it had nothing to do with any of all this.

Did clientes know about the ID&T?

No, they established that on a daily basis as I understand it.

Originally it looked like one was made before the other and it sounded like it was the other way around.

Third, the way you handle the planning of the thing is to don't get it to plan it in front of a television camera now, because you don't want to sue straight out of the picture.

If you don't know how to handle it, don't go into it.

Just don't talk about it.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

And he did this, uh, he went in there and had already questioned.

This has been talked about.

And I trust him to come in and look it over.

He knows, he sat down and said, I trust him to come in.

We don't want to have a big discussion.

He knows the policies.

But he's been told, he's been told, don't get involved in it.

You know, he's, and I think Bob has been pretty careful in that instance.

Yep.

That's why he's, now he knows he's clean, but he's frustrated by the innuendo.

What do you think about that?

It's just ridiculous.

Is that the police?

I don't know what he did.

He was the one that issued the requirement.

He was, he was the guy who was stating the NSN redeemed, because they, some of the candidates, in fact, I remember some stories, he wrote to the church last year at the campaign.

When we were collecting, Kambach was collecting money.

Right, right.

And we were doling it out to candidates.

Yes.

Gleason was the, later the chairman, but now he's become consulted by T&G.

We were really excited.

Yeah.

I didn't know you had anything to do with that.

He's got a pretty good program.

He could.

I think he would.

I guess so.

But Lisa's been a lobbyist PR type around here for a long time.

And I'm sure you know how much he's getting.

How much he's getting. $50,000.

But he's not going to be down on the right side of the boat, I'm certain.

He isn't.

There's a little problem there, but he's not, I doubt he's quite certain.

He's not very happy with us, I don't think.

This week, we will get out on the right side of the boat.

I don't think he's done enough.

Because he wasn't smart.

He could get Sister Lisa.

He's been working with Kevin Phillips, working for Kevin Phillips, his newsletter, writing stuff on fundraising and all that kind of stuff.

I think that's about it.

What is it?

Who is on the testimony today?

He appears to be a doctor.

Mitchell?

No, Mitchell Swann.

IT&T supposedly has several witnesses today, police may be one.

That may be where he's coming from.

Well, they say not, but they got in on the doctor's testimony, so I'm seeing the problem.

We've got this doctor here in Virginia who is Peter Greer's doctor.

who has been called by Eastland to testify because they can't get Deela Beard, although he's not the doctor that's attending her now, so he's not being called to testify that she's ill.

He's being called because he was present when Deela Beard had a three-hour interview with Jack Anderson's men.

And my question is, did she do that?

Well, I don't know if she did.

Maybe she kind of, she probably wrote it down.

She kind of built herself up, you know.

She hasn't done anything for us about that.

I don't know what she said, miles away.

You might tend to frown and see what she knows about her.

Not bad, she may have some information.

She's a, as I said, they know each other well.

I don't know how friends they are, but I think girls are, that's why I hear the cussing around.

She always told me that Peter Beard was angry.

I remember the time they got me to walk down on the goddamn tables.

She was at one of those tables.

And really unsupported, I said.

Yes.

Was she not surprising to you?

I don't know, but he's mentioned that, no, I mean, Bob ended up putting the convention deal together and getting the money in or something.

He's mentioned it in the Deed of Fear panel on some line, which is, what did she say, that she saw you?

No.

She says that only Attorney General Bob Alderman and somebody else know about this arrangement or something.

Which is, I don't know where the hell she got that, because I know of no arrangements.

That's why she went, for what?

What is the arrangement?

You're not referring to the convention, are you?

On your duty?

Yeah.

Now, see, she brought me in, and she knows that I had the, or not that she knows, it was known that I was involved at the White House site in the site, so you're getting the site's origin information now.

And all I knew on the San Diego event was the total dollar contribution, not the specifics.

And there's been no follow-up on that.

Pardon?

Dirty.

I've been calling his name names since I began, I guess.

Then they were trying to prove that Ramson worked for me.

I mean, Anderson was on my mind for a while.

That's why I installed him.

Turns out it wasn't true.

He worked for himself.

So she probably was trying to run an innocent shot.

But there's somebody here that still lives.

Well, I think there must be somebody trying to kill her.

Is there somebody in the IT&T shop?

I think it was her in the baronet.

Bob Merriam worked right here in Texas.

Oh, Christ.

That's not easy.

It gets closer, doesn't it?

Circumstantial labor is very important.

I don't think Merriam would be able to do that, would he?

I may have that wrong.

See, I'm not, I'm just getting caught up on the details of this.

I don't want to get into the details.

I think you reached it out.

I don't want to get him hurt in the process.

He has been, in any way except working with the guys on the financial setting, which has been good, as far as...

working on his testimony and all that.

It's excellent.

Well, is there any way that we can cut our losses on ?

What would you like to do with your client agency?

What is beyond that?

You can't take client agency to vote for something you didn't do.

It's the earlier of its whole concern.

The client agency is not what this is all about.

Just like Roger said, you can get paid if you're concerned.

But you've got to change.

You've got to change.

At some cost, yes, but I turned it off this afternoon because there's too many people there and it just isn't productive.

There's people uncovering other things.

You know, it's not terribly useful to get into the first Sunday Joy Show this morning.

Oh God, so what I want to do is get Coulson and Sandmeyer

figure out what we want.

Apparently, Wally Johnson, we've got this one hell of a guy, he's been very helpful.

He's the very, he's the guy that was from, they probably did right quick, Justice, and now we've got, he's a boy on the Senate.

Why don't you put a young guy on the line back?

He would be really better.

I want to be able to follow up.

Oh, he's good, because he's got a good, apparently good PR sense, conversational sense, and legal sense, which is, you know, we need to do combinations.

Take more than someone to say, you know, thank you.

He's a much slower fellow.

Yeah.

You're absolutely right.

Keep the right in the White House.

Don't get Schultz.

See, to me, I'm entering in Schultz and Rumsfeld and Stein.

You're right.

Everybody's interested, and everybody wants to know.

It has a view.

It wants to know.

That's fine.

It should be good.

You need to get down to it.

Really, I think it's how you turn it around.

Right now, I want to do something about it in person and ask about it.

I want to see what we want to do first off the record, basically.

I want to do this in an in-office setting, definitely.

But I need to know what the numbers are, and then before I say anything about the end of it, because you could open up a whole variety of things.

That's right.

You have these things, and these things, generally, of not having done anything wrong, and therefore our problem is a PR problem rather than a substantive problem.

If we had a substantive problem, then the PR problem becomes 100 times worse.

Oh, actually, it did.

See, my recollection, the reason that I...

But I think your analysis of the settlement is right.

As far as I understand, Janine was not happy with it.

That's right.

And what happened?

Can we get that out?

The big thing that they wanted to keep was Campine Corporation.

We cut them off.

And that's the big money thing.

The sheriff's motel thing, as I recall, was not a big money thing.

But it was a problem some other way that we left you.

Yeah, we can't get that out.

And we've got to.

It is out of the sun, but we've got to get it out more strongly.

But not from the White House, you know what I'm saying?

Exactly.

We need the justices to keep it.

Keep it.

There isn't another White House going to have any state that's going to say we're anybody else.

Do you agree?

Sure.

Yeah.

Or not.

I don't know.

I just feel that people are at the white house level.

It escalates very much.

Just put it right with the justice.

I saw that he has some type in his department.

You saw that?

Yeah.

Is he still with the department?

See, they did their fight, that's why they didn't come in the department.

And they started to go on a little further.

So here we get stuck.

So at least everybody's here.

We can't get rid of them.

And they're right at this point.

But if you get back to the point that I made about coming up on the plane, I think there's, there's not another plane.

forget their families, forget everything else they can think of, and so forth, and if they're in Schedule C, out.

That's just a general rule.

Ah, you're right.

Yep.

We have enough problems for people to be ever going to decide.

There's something up there.

They both know.

I mean, you can take a look.

Take a picture.

Uh, we're working on it today.

I must say that there was a week there.

The weekend certainly was awful, I'm sure, by any means.

But Henry looks like a different man.

Yeah.

He was good.

He said, of course, the recipient would go to the ark.

He said he never thought he was.

He...

He needed the rest, and he thrives on the amputation.

Of course, he was given a key to escape.

He'd walk on the beach, and people would come and stop him.

And they'd also go to the yard, and he wanted to see Nelson.

That was the client, which is fine, too.

Nelson, great.

He said, he's back to his race on my land.

As unknown as I am, and unrecognized, went to the Joe Stonecraft restaurant for dinner, yeah, Saturday night, whatever it was, one night, Saturday night, yeah.

And old Mr. Weiss is a little Jewish man who owns Joe Stonecraft, who is always around running everything, was caught in front of him when I arrived, yeah.

And he shot it over.

I've never done it, never seen it before.

I mean, I've seen it, but I've never, he's never done a lot of this.

He called over and he said, did you get that suntan in the, on the other side of the Pacific?

And I said, no, he goes to Florida to take care of it.

So we go in and sit down at the table, and a bottle of wine arrives from Mr. White's.

And...

It's interesting, though, at the low identity level that I had, that a little guy like I was running a restaurant in Miami Beach, and then, boy, I did not recognize your name, too.

Well, I didn't have a name.

Oh, I see.

Were you in the reservation?

No.

The reservation wasn't in Miami.

I see.

Very good.

And I was smart.

Because I don't play that kind of game.

I don't like to play.

The reservation was a big thing.

And I don't like to play that kind of game.

But he picked up the mic and came out.

And he said, boy, I'll tell you here, man.

Your man, uh, let me say, oh, he said, after that trip, he said, the only way they're going to beat your man is with a baseball bat.

Now, that was just my, uh...

You know, something like that, with that kind of reach.

has to either hurt or help.

It can't not affect people.

When you cover that much of an impression, it either has to come away leaving something moved up or something moved down.

It may not be immediate.

There may be, you know, in some ways, there may be a big surge in the .

But there's a thing in the back of people's minds that .

Well, that's the thing.

Except on the picture of the land.

That's right.

You get that contrast of musky crying up there and the answer in the snow.

It was there in the Great Debate last night.

You know, in the Great Debate it was a complete fiasco, a great tertiary fall, and a great blaze, and the only one that came true well was Hartke.

Was it Hartke who said it was right?

And here Hartke's under a Supreme Court verdict, and I'm asked whether he's even a senator himself.

Now, it has to have a major effect.

We're almost glad he's got a tough problem, because all the news stories now, he may be pushing this so that whatever he does in the primary makes him look better.

That's right.

Now, I hope Angela is getting on the point that we expect about 55% to 60%.

Have we been going on anything over 50%?

There are so many .

Well, it is believable because every mole, every mole is a sign of God.

We use that mole for 55.

But it's just a huge sign of God.

One, we just, I'll tell you this line there, when we just say, well, the man just appeared in the middle of the road, he's close to the station.

We, uh, we make that mole as roughly as we can tell.

I mean, I just can't get the smart thing.

Oh, what a hell of a heart, isn't it?

And you have to go there, isn't it?

The way I have to take a decision, I've lost a few years of the good, and that's what you're saying.

I think he will.

I think when they get down to deciding

You've always got, but it's 30% against.

They're just almost, you know, there's much, well, in a Republican primary, there should be 30% because Republicans are far more, except that you've made some controversial moves that are controversial to Republicans.

Both ways.

You've alienated the right, the super right on China, or they've been led to think that

And he's done a lot of...

I suppose it will cost you, doesn't it?

I have to qualify for it.

Oh, that's what he's working for.

Where do you have it?

In Nashville, because it's discounted in Nashville.

So he doesn't care what he gets there.

Is that right?

What did you say?

He's going to Florida and California.

Well, you know, what the hell does that have to do with California?

Well, of course you can't get an elevation in California.

You won't have it.

It costs you not that much.

Ashford would get an elevation.

I couldn't do it.

But there, you know, I don't know, Reagan's, Reagan's trying to stop it.

I'm going to do it.

He's not going to do it.

Regulus, by maintaining his own position with you, though, makes it hard for .

Real nuts, you know, even the real nuts, he's the only guy .

I don't think .

I don't understand.

Salvatore won't.

Yeah, we rarely do that.

Salvatore won't try to make people afraid of anything.

To do anything in California just takes incredible though.

And you can't play that New Hampshire game like McCroskey's playing up there.

Up there, you can go around and meet half the voters if you take the time to stay in California.

You want to remember the word?

Elevation.

Yeah.

Well, we don't count on one EU gun.

That's the Third Republic.

The Third Republic.

At that stage, too late.

I know a lot of your technical people.

Absolutely.

It was full, be sure to remember, mythology required to start building up in the event of California doses, and we predicted that.

That had been, Tom Bordello got that against Eisenhower.

People just threw that out.

Yeah.

And that is why everybody thinks of Eisenhower never having any computation.

for the crime we circle the justice.

And for that reason, probably a good idea.

Great.

I don't know.

Maybe so.

There's just a man.

Yeah.

You know, one of the trove you shouldn't have to deal with a man.

So what a man is, would you really have got to test a muskie?

In other words, a muskie would have to go out and battle a man, a man, an officer.

Oh, smart man, that's what's good.

It's forcing him.

Forcing him.

Just like I'm running.

They don't get my balls.

See, and all the rest, the sharpshooters.

You don't have that thought in that job.

You don't have a personality.

You don't suit.

You know what I mean?

You wouldn't let the sons of bitches get out of choice.

Well, that forces them to get back if they're stupid enough.

And must he understand that that's where it should get him.

Where they're tired.

Where you get yourself past your limits of self-control and endurance.

It seems now, as I read it for a long time, as to what really happened with Musgrave, that he went out and talked about the Cahoot statement.

And then he started to casually get interested in his wife.

And that choked him up.

But my view is a little bit more cynical.

I think he was deliberate.

When he got into his wife, I think he was playing a personal video.

Definitely, he deliberately broke down at the end.

You think he really, he was going all out.

He was an actor.

However, he must be strong to create his act.

Now, being comfortable, little or not very with people in the mansion, but from all the stuff they're writing in, it hurt his battery was part of the pros.

I mean, it hurt his battery, but in the major times.

Yeah.

In the major times.

Yeah.

It may have helped him with the average.

He didn't realize it was what he had done with his wife.

You're right.

Yeah.

But it's a very different thing.

Defending your wife's strength is different than breaking down in weakness.

If you had been better to be angry and said, no, I'm not going to stand in this room, show a little temper, and this fellow's got more elective in the cabinet, this is the lowest name in the world, that would have been pretty good.

That's fine.

He could have done that.

He could have done whatever.

What a hell of a joke.

It's a blessing.

Yeah.

There's no answer.

No good answer.

But we'll have an answer.

And that's another thing.

No joke.

You can't.

Yeah.

Come on, bring that one.

The sign that says, go get 50,000.

You've got a damn eye to land.

I think you have to have someone pass this to her and tell her, Christ, you're great.

That is, I mean, temptation, secretion.

But what we, we have that one.

I mean, too many are trying to make an issue out of this.

What I want is not an issue that will divide Americans over what we want.

Actually, it will stop them.

It will have the most effect on them.

The issue could be easily made by taking an extremely social and constitutional amendment, which had no full passage of view of the Senate vote.

But it would not be an action bus that would go forward in thousands of homes, children and so forth, their education being impaired.

So this is a program of action, doing something rather than saying something.

I can write it just that way.

I don't know what we're going to say next.

I don't intend to, unless there's any thought that we're going to back off, we can't back off on this issue about the money.

Yes.

You can raise that subject.

There's no evidence to back it up.

So this is my question.

They just don't get a good statement out before church.

That's what I'd like to see, some sort of a statement from Joseph.

And I'll say that's fair.

It's accurate.

It reflects my views.

I don't care what they say.

It's here to be.

I'd like to have something that I can stand on, I'm certain.

Doesn't that sound pretty good to you?

You know, or rematch the interviews.

Sounds good, right?

I don't want to rehash anything other than $100,000 or anything to do with it.

I want all of that to be said first.

Well, let's see.

It may not turn out to be a problem.

If I revert to Bible, I can jump on it and tell you.

Well, of course it could be a problem if they have other way to use it, on a retainer that has EFT.

But isn't that why they're calling you?

Because they want you to retain that EFT?

Yeah, I guess so.

So... Well, of course, I don't know if they're calling you or if IT&T is sending it.

Well, what the hell can you do about IT&T?

It's a whole brain from the goddamn end not sending a police account.

And then I'll share with you on what basis he's... Go ahead.

Listen, another way.

You've got this huge contribution.

There you go.

Bless the Lord.

He did things for you.

One other thing, in relation to our other schedule, we will have a little conference tomorrow, which is about our next week, and perhaps tomorrow morning, after the leaders meet.

We'll keep that open.

No, not today.

We've got one.

And this is the kind of thing I don't know whether we want to now stop doing or not.

They are asking if you receive the National Advisory Committee report on child nutrition.

We don't beat butts in the advisory committee.

No.

We come in, you know, just for a picture.

Why?

On the basis that it's a positive publicity on what we're doing on child nutrition.

That bus would go out and brief on the accomplishments of the administration.

All that.

It was a very big crowd.

Yes.

Twelve members of the committee.

You know, national .

But that would be, that would be the first .

I think that kind of thing, the five-minute shots, probably you still want to do some .

Now what do we do is, Johnstaphae wants to report to you this week before he goes to Belge, under absentee, no certain chances, whatever.

Do you agree with that?

Yeah, he is a friend, but I'm giving him Belge right now.

I'm just handling that.

I'll see him a little later.

It's just one of those things.

I'm just not going to send it to him.

Okay?

And we've got, tomorrow afternoon, we've got a view of the industry.

Yeah, when you go out.

Tomorrow afternoon, there's a meeting in the Roosevelt Room that they've argued or suggested that you might want to drop by.

It's another one of these things.

It's just good with five mayors.

and Richardson-Hodgson-Morton on coordinated summer youth programs and what we're doing for adults.

I'm happy to do that.

I've seen that in the game there.

I think we've been around the crowd 18 times and we're pretty lucky, I can say.

Is somebody pressing the card?

Is it a no?

All right.

Well, they're just suggesting it doesn't drop like Nicole says.

It's one of their own.

We can answer that one.

Now, on Wednesday, you may have to take the rest of your day clear for a briefing.

It may be a good idea to take a few minutes to meet with an old folks group, because that's our aging message, and that is one that's an issue.

I think it's important.

And, yeah, the idea would be that you take a few minutes to take a briefing.

No, we sent a message to the ALS to get a picture and it's the officials of the various old folks groups that are working with us on this.

This is the first day of the aging message in history and we're making a big thing out of it.

And we could use the picture for the old folks' publication list.

All right.

That ain't it.

Sorry.

Kevin Wattage wants to meet with you before he goes back to Rome at the end of March.

Absolutely.

Home service.

That's his wire.

Yacobos is asking to meet with you next week.

with 80 members of the Council of Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of North and South America?

No.

To recognize the 50th anniversary of this ordination?

No.

And that's just, no.

Actually, it's a weird one.

It is, actually.

Well, actually, I think someone wants you to do it.

No.

I'm not going to do it.

That's the kind of one where you really don't need anything else.

You're not careful.

There's other sorts of things.

Ingersoll, I assume you do want to let them call an employee list in Japan, don't you, for the symbolism of it?

No, don't you?

I've seen Ingersoll with the people in the face, and not anymore.

I could do what I did one day in the life of the president and all the rest.

It's not going to make any difference.

No, Bob.

Okay.

We have a previous campaign director in the building, and that's going to go back to the employee list in Japan.

That's about it.

Now these are wonderful.

One thing we were looking at as a film clip.

I will not do a sound clip of the National Health Forum.

No.

I will not do a sound clip.

You do a sound clip.

Claudio, Claudio, the door's open.

I told you it must be this way around, sir.

Come in, sir.

Regional, I'm going to call the chairman of the NAB in time.

And you know what I mean?

I feel like I have a hole in my head right now.

I'm just saying, unless, you know, we've had that recidivism area reform last year, and I just told you that was the last time I heard it over here.

Mayor, who's asking for a meeting?

Who's asking for a meeting with this commission?

Discernment.

An act of it.

Well, I think that ought to be in order with Russia.

And over a year, they think they need to see it before a solid lease is final decision.

There's still a lot of divergences within the government.

This is your recommendation for late March or early April.

You wanted to wait until we got .

That may not be done.

I don't get my .

But put it in early April is better.

I've got one that you're going to say no on, but I think you ought to consider it, and that is a short reception for the Advertising Council and their wives.

We passed them by last year, the year before you told them you wanted to bring their wives, and we let them down.

The reason for it being Colson's argument being that

We've got a lot of political mileage.

That's the way to follow the truth.

But the advantage is we've got them now doing a damn good campaign on the economy.

And we want to keep them going with that because it's free advertising for us.

The drug thing, they'll keep going on anyway.

the public and the economy one, we've signed it pretty politically.

All right.

Why do you have minutes?

I understand it's a reception.

No, we're in March, sir.

End of March.

All right.

It's a reception with wives.

I think we ought to run for any of the wives.

All right.

Good.

That's very good.

The Inter-American Defense Corps, under absolutely no circumstances, will recognize the 30th anniversary and congratulate the members there.

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a signing ceremony of the Biological Weapon Convention.

Now, especially last year in Geneva, they want to go over the State Department conference show.

Hugh Rogers got a human, you know, British and Soviets, you know, that's signing.

It's one of those standard, you know, I've done that, you know, those that have done that much.

Like Rogers, it's one of those.

It kind of gets us out of proportion.

We had an idea on a

a thing that you have to do right away if you wanted to do it pretty soon, which is to go right into the lion's mouth.

And this was back when we were looking for things to do, and this one was one that looked pretty good.

I'm not sure it still is a good idea, which is to have the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton invite you to come up for a Q&A meeting.

And you do it on China.

And it's a way to tie you, the person in China, to that.

And what I'm not going to do is make a statement to the Congress in China.

I'm not going to go out there and say, why the hell am I going to go down there?

That's the problem.

I just don't see .

It'd be nice to go to one, but I think our strategy now of not .

I request that this is a wee area, you know what I mean, on the controversy.

Yeah.

That's better than going there to vote, you know.

Nothing on China, Bob.

You best remember I'm not going to answer any questions on China.

It's not my interest.

Yeah.

That'll be good.

Maymont wants to bring in the president of Texas Tech College.

Yes.

He'd like you to address the American Association of Engineers, which you won't do, and that's understood, but he can come in.

But he just wants to bring it in for a photo.

He can.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's all right.

We had that set once.

I approved once, but I don't know how else to put it.

Has Julie talked to you about Catholic University graduation?

No, I wouldn't know if I were her.

She wants me to.

Well, there's a possibility she gets her diploma, or could.

You know, aren't you going to have a problem with that?

Sure you are.

You're going to have some of the radicals walk off.

No.

I think, I think, you know, that's one of those things where there is overways and all.

Thank you, God damn it.

You should ask us to put a right back on it.

Now, what we might do is let the president of the university and a couple other people come into your office and present you with your department.

Well, I already discussed that once.

I can't ask for that yet.

I might stay with that.

No, I don't think you have a graduation or anything like that.

I don't want to be in that kind of controversy at the moment.

But the press conference would be a controversy.

You better control it.

Colson, I know you guys are recommending that you

received for just a couple of minutes by a couple of representatives of the White House Conference on you.

And how long?

Three?

Three.

For what purpose?

In the end, when you give them, well, when you make the publicity of your review of the White House Conference on you, you ask it for an executive branch review, and that's been done.

Yeah.

and we can release it to the delegates.

Provide highly visible opportunity for the ministries to move positively in the areas of great concern for young people.

They've got two moderate young people vice chair.

Do you have an idea that you want to accomplish the investment with the leaders?

Right.

Well, that's what came through.

I thought that was your suggestion.

The leaders.

Yep.

That was the leaders.

We're not gone.

We're not ready.

They'll always be there for the record, don't they?

And then go out and check that guy's around.

I think we'll just say that's under consideration.

No, who suggested it?

Well, they can write.

Well, they can write because it's their principal issue of congressional interest.

Is that a good question?

You understand the Trump question?

Yes.

Well, I don't want to take any position on the stuff in the Congress draft.

Just say that there are others on this thing.

You see, there are all kinds of amendments here.

I know.

That's definitely what I would be trying to find to you.

Good.

There you go.

I saw your draft here.

I've read these, if you remember.

Wow, that's excellent.

I want to check to see if you have any questions.

I hope there's nobody in it.

Let's turn that off to the leaders.

Oh, this is the best this morning.

You just don't want to skip the leaders.

Put something else on for the leaders.

It might be handy.

They can report us on what they're getting on.

We're not going to say anything about what we're getting on.

What do you want me to do?

I guess I'm making the record set in on this meeting this morning today.

Yeah.

Wouldn't hurt to start trying to get this in.

One or two.

Yeah.

One thing I was concerned about today.

Yeah.

What is that?

I was concerned about reading the black number in the second period.

Our recently annunciated goal is to desegregate housing in neighborhoods.

Now, I haven't said anything about desegregating housing in neighborhoods.

Is that something that the Jacksonburg County District is doing?

If you understand, you know we haven't done that yet, sir.

It's been working on that as hard as it can.

We've turned that benchmark off.

We're going to set it up to do that.

I just wanted to hear something.

I didn't know about it.

Well, it happens.

There it is.

That's a very good job.

But the main thing, John, is that you can move the fashion today.

Because I've got this, you know, school, and it's coming in.

Right.

Well, since that's what you said that way, so we'll move the blacks out, I guess.

You've got a good time.

Oh, they have a good time.

I asked them to talk.

I read their brand, right?

That's all really good.

You can tell them that.

And you'll find that they're not terribly well pulled together.

And they'll, they'll franchise it after a while.

You can say, well, I'm in the parking lot.

You may be a very close opponent.

It's a little bit different.

And we'll just keep it at that.

You're going to have an hour of this.

You're going to have an hour of that.

So they don't really think you're good.

So that's it.

That's it.