{"conversationCode":"677-013","tapeNumber":677,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-677-013","startDateTime":"1972-03-06T18:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-06T18:38:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Mar-1972","startTime":"1:28 PM","endDate":"6-Mar-1972","endTime":"1:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On March 6, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:28 pm and 1:38 pm. 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Romney\n          -Press\n          -Private meeting","filename":["677-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:42:54","tapeEnd":"03:46:06","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"677-012","nextCode":"677-014","transcript":[{"start":0.31,"end":4.21,"text":"You said you had the address number added."},{"start":4.24,"end":7.5,"text":"I'm just looking at it."},{"start":7.7,"end":9.36,"text":"I don't want to hear it."},{"start":9.52,"end":11.74,"text":"I'll take it out by 1 o'clock."},{"start":11.78,"end":12.62,"text":"That's normal."},{"start":12.66,"end":12.76,"text":"Fine."},{"start":12.8,"end":13,"text":"Sorry."},{"start":13.02,"end":13.48,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":27.09,"end":35.41,"text":"But he wants to have a press conference on this subject."},{"start":36.29,"end":39.19,"text":"Oh, my boy."},{"start":39.31,"end":40.01,"text":"I see."},{"start":41.11,"end":42.09,"text":"Well, that's all right."},{"start":43.69,"end":50.33,"text":"We'll try to have a press conference."},{"start":56.45,"end":57.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":57.21,"end":58.55,"text":"Right."},{"start":58.99,"end":59.19,"text":"Right."},{"start":59.33,"end":60.47,"text":"Right."},{"start":60.53,"end":63.37,"text":"Well, then I've got a little time."},{"start":63.59,"end":64.45,"text":"I get better."},{"start":64.51,"end":68.57,"text":"I've got to do something for everybody."},{"start":69.88,"end":70.61,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":71,"end":71.16,"text":"Okay."},{"start":71.46,"end":72.08,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":73.98,"end":74.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":74.84,"end":75.1,"text":"Okay."},{"start":75.26,"end":77.06,"text":"I'll work on it right away."},{"start":77.12,"end":80,"text":"Now, I'm going to change these things."},{"start":80.14,"end":82.68,"text":"If you don't think that's pushing too hard, you can..."},{"start":94.78,"end":98.08,"text":"Well, you and me together, you will see an average."},{"start":100.27,"end":101.2,"text":"And you will go to bed."},{"start":102.65,"end":106.15,"text":"I'm not going to say anything wrong."},{"start":106.21,"end":109.61,"text":"I'll just say, Dr. Kissinger, still again, I'm going to use both ideas."},{"start":109.67,"end":111.93,"text":"I'm having a conversation, and that's our position."},{"start":112.43,"end":114.89,"text":"So that's on you."},{"start":114.95,"end":115.77,"text":"And you, myself."},{"start":117.45,"end":118.05,"text":"That's true."},{"start":119.35,"end":122.01,"text":"Say, Dr. Kirk, yeah, well, I got wrongly intrigued."},{"start":123.92,"end":138.87,"text":"Well, could we say, yeah, just to be clear, how's that?"},{"start":139.35,"end":144.46,"text":"I don't like him over here with a whole host of newspaper people."},{"start":144.5,"end":147.72,"text":"He's not going to walk out the White House president."},{"start":147.8,"end":150.4,"text":"Do you understand that?"},{"start":152.49,"end":152.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":153.11,"end":157.15,"text":"That is, if I have a meeting in this state, Mr. Frederick, we can all search and request an ambassador."},{"start":157.17,"end":158.45,"text":"He doesn't see the ambassadors."},{"start":159.15,"end":159.73,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":159.77,"end":163.29,"text":"But he, because of his old friendship, is our new drugged-in signal."},{"start":163.31,"end":165.81,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met to coordinate administrative logistics and manage public relations regarding upcoming cabinet appearances and press engagements. The discussion centered on controlling the optics surrounding diplomatic interactions, specifically emphasizing that ambassadors should not be granted high-profile access to the White House. Nixon directed Kissinger to finalize specific memorandums and manage expectations for upcoming meetings with foreign representatives and administration officials.","topics":["Public Relations","Diplomatic Protocol","White House Administration","Henry Kissinger","Cabinet Management"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-07T02:28:05.206Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-relations","diplomatic-protocol","white-house-administration","henry-kissinger","cabinet-management"],"audioDurationSec":171,"audioFiles":[{"file":"677-013.mp3","bytes":6851183,"durationSec":171.14,"bitrate":320256,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:54.978Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/677-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/677-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/677/conversation-677-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}