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Are you in a meeting?

No.

I've got an issue.

Yeah, the door was locked.

I've got the door.

No, the door was locked.

No, it's there.

chance that we can make a deal with the leadership committee to turn off the hearings or to draw to a close if we set up an informal, you know, visitor-type meeting with planning because they're anxious to get in and planning would like to talk to them.

So they're

They're toying with that now.

There's no comment on the images, trying to get a reason as to what really we've got there.

And also, there's also a copy of Anderson's prepared statement, which Ruska should have, that he'll make today.

And, uh, what did you decide?

Well, yeah, without instructions.

Well, and it went out of the wrong way, but maybe we're stuck with that now.

We've got to find out.

What he tried to do maybe made some sense, which was just to strip him into the advertising thing and the program, you know, and fuck everybody else.

and say, that's the way we're going to do it.

Who's the sport man?

Ah, Hermann.

Hermann.

Well, yeah, but there's a... That's it.

He's kind of squirting out the money.

John is running it.

It's just, the world leads in so many different directions.

There's no other time to thought so.

No, they got him.

He got a pretty good ride on his, too.

And that McLaren, McLaren's flow of breathing turned out pretty well.

It was good on television because he, he, uh,

Well, he was being harassed, and it was honest, and he paid attention.

It was clear he wasn't trying to cover anything up.

He was frustrated with the stupidity of the approach they were taking.

And we have to tell him, you see, the significance of the first one.

He was under the Democratic appointee, and it's pointed out that he was his judgment for me.

Yes.

Oh, sure.

That's a big thing.

It's too technical for folks to understand.

Our whole problem on this case is not that.

It's the cause.

As contrasted to the marriage.

The marriage.

We've got no problem with the cause of something else.

Sure.

Well...

It's true.

The lobbyists are just dangerous damn people to have around.

You can't talk to lobbyists about it.

Even out of the White House, you really have to.

That's why I didn't get enough help.

Hey, let me not speak to the lobbyist rather than the president of the company.

It doesn't matter.

The president of the company isn't going to write a jackass letter like Gary Maran.

You see?

The lobbyist will.

The president doesn't have to do that.

How does this stuff get out?

That's all he said.

He didn't get any check on that.

That's what you said.

How does the fact that the company wrote a letter get out?

It doesn't happen.

It doesn't happen often.

It's all mess.

We

pulled together, John, Drew, in other words, he's got Wilbur, who's filed, and Connelly told him, we've written all the comments on everybody's files.

In order, there's a copy of the Connelly letter apparently in some file.

And we've been pulled all the files together, so we've got everything in one place.

That's everything that's going to be written.

So that when we say about Connelly's letter, it wouldn't be anything.

But we've got IT&T's files.

That's right.

But also the SEC has seen IT&T's files and we've got another problem there.

Because they're going inside your dealing stuff.

And another line of inquiry, that's what Carson, one of the experts that talked to Russ about this morning, is not going into that.

Because if the committee gets into that,

It would give Teddy and his crew the chance to tiptoe the barefoot through IT&T's gravel airpods, which have been subpoenaed.

All our guys said, no, don't mistake the things that we got for what they got.

Our guys are trying to, one guy is trying to get everything together so we know, so we don't have any surprises.

Well, we have, uh, we have KGS, S-U-C. Yeah, the problem is the S-U-C, the problem is the, uh, is the, uh, committee.

It's a committee committee, but the S-U-C stuff, apparently.

Oh, shit.

or if there's something John has some, I may not have that exactly straight to the technologies, but I know there's some concern about that and that is one thing that's part of this government, the Roscoe government, they actually needs to use it.

What they can get out of some of the other stuff that he's worked with, general orders, you know, on airbag.

Take the Penn Central plan on that.

The whole, look, look at your, there's nothing wrong with looking at the circumstantial right there.

Maurice Daniels, you, Mitchell, Dave Kennedy, everybody involved in that had something to tie into the thing.

Let's start about your time.

Sure.

Right.

All this skin.

Well, I guess you don't have anything you can.

Well, let me, let me mention the old people over here.

Their interest is, of course, in getting the man's hearing turned off, because that provides us, oh, we see these people all the time.

We couldn't get them.

You know what I'm saying?

We should have, uh, we should have, uh, everybody involved together on number one yesterday.

Well, it, it, uh, knocked it out.

Good, because, uh, well, that was an issue.

The airplane thing was a big chore, because it still hanged.

Well, it's, it's still a, the story's still hanging in fire because the office is a crazy bomb.

Well, he said there were around four different planes or something and they've only got one.

They've got one awful one.

They blew up one.

So they were so scared.

Well, you would think they would.

They said that cancellations have been very low.

I would go here.

Oh!

Jesus Christ.

People get right on, fly off anyway.

They've really typed up the checking procedures, and the people who are saying, well, they think it's safer than ever, but Christ, that plane that blew up, they had checked twice.

They had checked it before it took off, and they checked it after it landed.

And then they had it under guard with a sheriff's deputy, so nothing could be done to it while it was on the ground.

All of a sudden, it blew up.

Did he get injured?

No.

He was at the tail.

He was standing under the tail, and it was the nose that blew up.

Oh, yeah.

The bomb would have happened in the air, correct?

Oh, sure.

Would have killed the pilot.

And would have crashed the plane.

But the bomb was either in the forward men's room, the pilot's room, or in the pilot's apartment.

They think it might have been in the pilot's apartment.

I don't know.

I think that's disguised as a mechanic or something.

You know, it goes in before the plane takes off.

It just gets the bombs in or something.

that they did find the one explosive on one plane up by the pilot's compartment and then this plane and this other plane flew up.

And now they've got this red alert on all over, especially the L.A. apparently, this way.

And they did last night.

Trying to find the other urges on the other.

Just a question.

What is the big story?

What they want to make the big story?

Because that, in terms of any real significance, is a totally unimportant story.

So they blew up an airplane.

It got the one that blew up.

It didn't injure anybody.

There was no one on the plane.

It was 20 minutes after the explosion was when they would have started getting the plane ready for its next flight.

And then there would have been a crew on it working on it.

They blew up before they got to them.

The only one here was the sheriff, and he was, he was knocked out.

He said there was one explosion, and he saw the war was in the lane.

And he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said,

I can't see if I would go back to a blue star today unless something else hits it.

Just because of any circumstances.

I mean, the assumption is that he only comes to all senses.

Well, he can't have very much.

He doesn't even charge hard.

He may use more colorful language sometimes.

I read that they have opposed the R.I.J.

and that it seems to me that it doesn't make a point of being active.

I mean, because they are not basically deliberately unfriendly.

I mean, they're concerned about why in hell would they get to prison.

I thought that sort of why don't we just give the content of the contribution back.

Did you raise that this morning?

No, I raised it yesterday, but then concurrently they

He had already done this, but not anybody knew him.

At least with none of our people.

So you think that's the courage that they've showed off?

It kind of does.

I think it does.

Because now, you know, you can chisel a little other way, and he can go back and take it all away.

It looks like you're... Yeah.

What would he, in fact, say if he were here today?

He simply said that all these things actually got to the point that he had not done anything.

Oh, yeah.

And that they'd already been cut down because of that.

And I was thinking, everybody's, all of the support has to be in.

They don't want to support it.

They've got a whole crew of people working on it.

The problem is to get the stuff to use for it and then to see if we can get it over.

That's where I'm going to get at this morning and see what they've got.

We'll work to repeal our own.

It might.

I don't think we have enough security to secure these people.

If you find them, it's a big security situation that we need.

Apparently there is.

Nobody else gets $100,000?

Apparently not.

That's what the hotels do, because they've got a whole bunch of hotels.

And it's ending in three big hotels in San Diego.

Well, how about putting, I'll find out where we're headed, in, say, a office, and I'll take $35,000.

I'm not sure you want to be our host, huh?

Well, put it on the basis of hotels.

So much for a hotel or something like that.

Would that be possible if it was water?

Not that big.

The way to go at it, it's not to defend ours, it's to attack theirs.

Has anybody brought up a point that they have three results on that?

Yes.

I haven't seen that.

Do you think that's getting true?

No, the merits of this case aren't getting true.

They aren't going to.

Then it gets through it.

It's going to be heartbreaking.

It's going to be mind-boggling.

What he gets through is that there is something funny.

And he keeps saying that there is no proven link between the two.

But, you know, it's kind of odd that that happened to be the corporation that decided to provide such offer, such large support, right at the time when they had this case pending.

The fact that the support wasn't delivered, the fact that the case wasn't decided favorably for the corporation,

All that is there, as Lynn said, out of the dinner room on the sign.

Fine.

For Trisha Wayne, you know.

Oh, she did.

And Judge Dresden.

And, which was a good thing.

It was great for her to do.

What she put in a day yesterday, she did the Young Apollo, and she went over to the portrait gallery for a year on the bailiff.

And then, to the dinner last night, and she did it.

from our people's contact with her in good spirits.

And she did a superb job at a standing ovation.

She was introduced at the dinner.

I read a little message from you.

And Agnew gave the principal address and a big ovation.

And even Mark says, he said, of course there was a little, you know,

We're all in for a few people, but it's too bad the person.

The clerk said I hardly did completely.

This was a tough one for him because he thought he was going to be exposed to Trump.

But he said, I'm hardlining completely.

I made the point that the president has said he's going to avoid any political activity, any partisan political activity, and any fundraising activity.

And he's got to stay with it.

And the wisdom of his doing that was proven in New Hampshire.

Because here he is at the presidential level while all the rest of them are grumbling around in politics.

Now, that's where you guys want him, isn't it?

And, of course, they have to say yes.

They can't argue that.

With regard to the answer, they're having a pretty hard time.

I thought it was the Post this morning.

God.

On that editorial.

Why do we need an editorial?

I don't know.

Yeah, they...

But they said, they made the point that it's being said that both sides won and both sides lost and that there's some truth to all, all the claims or something like that.

And then they left it at that point on to Muskie and the others.

You mean we lost?

Yeah, they implied that by just walking by it that way.

Then they didn't elaborate it.

The only case you can make

And nobody's really tried to mess with us.

I want to make a point with McCloskey.

It was significant that three out of ten Republicans voted for someone other than the president.

But then they come right back to the fact that they were bracketed on the two sides and that the president held 70% ground in the middle.

That's more desirable.

I haven't seen anybody pick up the...

Well, that's the other thing.

You know, it's like a little bit, big, big...

as they would have played it the other way, which is that the Republican vote is not as big, though.

The point is, it's only 10,000 more than it was when I saw that.

The difference is that the law is different, too.

That's right.

But the other thing is that it was on the other side.

So, of course, the independents are going to vote.

The independents are going to vote on the Democratic side.

And so...

Mitchell subscribes very strongly to your theories that we, to the extent that we didn't do as well as we might have done, which is much to my extent, it was a basic turnout question, especially in Northern Manhattan, where we would have been stronger, apparently, because it was a big, so strong, so the turnout was low up there.

And...

Well, nobody's really concerned about that.

I'm not.

No, I was just pushing on this point of the question of balancing the undecided vote and all that sort of stuff.

But hell, you're in that kind of ridiculous ground when you start trying to analyze why you didn't do better than 70%.

Because I know there's a beauty in that.

Yeah.

So this is a superb show.

It's very profound.

Well, Peterson plays on all sides, and he has all along.

He's always kept his hand on the Foskey spending all the way.

I suppose he's probably going to lose his nomination.

Because, you know, they say some people are weak.

I thought we had about three.

No.

I don't mean weak.

I mean the governorship.

I think it's hard.

I've heard that for years.

They, uh... Back in the old times, they would have picked up a glossy shelf and chased it.

Sharp and short.

Yeah, but that... And there are incredible things.

I was going to say, this is my inventory.

That, how does it matter?

In the news, I'm not sure, but in the museum, someone said, but that isn't the job.

The general field is just the other way.

That's the news summary, basically.

And yesterday, I'm going to put this today, too.

And they point out a couple of aberrations.

The general thing that inspires me to see loads of paper,

Now, he had lies.

But he wins.

And then Nixon sweeps the Republican.

He's a president.

And it's so bad that he's not a president.

He totally dominates.

He's a Republican.

But all we can say is, he loves his people, but they're trying to get in trouble.

That's what he is.

He's a cool guy.

And he wasn't today, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I understand.

He carried his gun.

He always carried his gun.

Everybody should.

You know, a lot of people do.

He said everybody should carry guns because it's easy to take guns away from the good guys, but the bad guys will always have them.

I don't know how that's the result of that.

100,000 people go out and buy guns.

That's probably one of the greatest things, really.

It's amazing how many people do that, but they do.

A company called me and told a lot of people in Texas to carry guns.

Did you hear that?

An awful lot of people like the NLA, but a lot of people have guns in their homes.

Do they?

Yeah.

I don't think we're going to carry them.

I'm glad they do, but ever since the race business, you know, I've watched a lot of

I thought I saw that one shot down over east, over the door.

I thought it was for hunting purposes at the time, but I don't think...

These people with the pistols sound bad.

But there's really stupidity in 90% of the people who couldn't hit someone other than... Well, if they stood this far away, they couldn't pull out a pistol and hit you.

I can remember that I took ten shots at once.

I didn't hit the gun entirely.

A lot of them.

I'm going where most people can't.

I don't know how the hell you do.

A pistol is a hard weapon to fire.

I'm pretty good at this, in fact, just because I used to shoot target stuff for fun.

Yeah.

I've never shot that.

I've never unfolded it.

It's, again, you've got to learn.

You've got to bring it down and fire as you're coming down and take the rise.

Because it's got to be a slow thing.

Plus, the same as a rifle.

It's a slow sweep.

The problem with you, as they jerk it, you jerk it off, which is...

The front page headline now, LaBelle and Kirby must be unheard of.

Yeah.

Which is, what is it now?

That's not separate, to begin with.

Yeah.

I was wondering, what is the general opinion?

General, I don't know.

The general opinion is that, as I believe, Muncie's not finished.

The general opinion is that the governor's not finished yet.

I remember everybody writing that Billy was finished, because that's the reason Wisconsin had it wasn't finished.

Prophecy, it seems to me, that Muncie was heard substantially.

The press coverage center,

As it's been a long, it's covering up for us.

You're saying, well, it doesn't really carry that much.

Yeah.

But the TV thing, which is where most people had to have gotten their things on election night, that were their specials, were all, it must be a very bad time.

And they, they were, they said, it must be a save to get the 50%.

He will go.

He has a 50% advantage that was an essential minimum.

That was sort of the line.

Now, the line is, must he won?

And that's all that matters in the primary.

You have to win, and he won.

But they're all sort of starting to play.

And of course, Mankiewicz and his crew will build it up, and they're pretty good.

This is the line, it's exactly the line he should take, which is if McGovern is the McCarthy of now, which is just over four weeks, and Frank is building that line, and this is, you know, he's top of it.

The problem there is that McGovern is not even going to show up hardly in the Florida primary.

He's on the ballot, and he'll do very poorly.

Now, maybe this will give them a little impetus, but I don't think so.

The back layer is, first of all, the brief vote for Wallace, which would be big.

And that's the only one.

Remember, that's not going to be an execution poll for crime.

Is there any other poll except that?

Yeah, there'll be that poll, which is...

I thought Prenak always did.

Well, that's just a summary.

Prenak is pretty good in the South.

And their goals, they've done a little bowling for us, mostly for opponents.

But their goals, we got in 1970, some of theirs, and they were, they all turned, theirs, Prenak in the South and Becker in the Northeast, have both turned out to be quite a good team.

Well, that quote shows Humphrey of Muskie the Deadly, Humphrey of Muskie the Deadly, with Wallace way out, way out ahead of 32, 17, 17.

Now, and all that jazz, but Jackson doing reasonably well, I should be surprised.

He dropped 10, 10.

And now, and then, then, but all that is not so good.

Only about four, five, well, no show of it.

And then after, Bob Mills, Bob Mills now says the CD member wasn't in for, he isn't in anyhow, but he now says he's going to go to Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

That seems to be the case.

I don't mind McCloskey because McCloskey, but McCloskey's still saying he's not sure whether he's going to go or not.

He's got the question of whether he files in California now for a conference or not, too.

And if he does, then he's got the problem of trying to campaign in his district.

And he would have to go if he had to go.

I don't know.

Yeah, I think he's thrown into the same district with our crowd.

He was supposed to be down there.

I'm not sure whether it came out that way.

Well, that's probably true, isn't it?

I'll let it go there.

And in this case, if he goes in California, even though it does restitute congressional seat, shouldn't we really run a candidacy with Pete, rather than end the situation?

Well, as I said, we have a primary opponent in there.

I'm only sure there is one.

We ought to make sure he wins.

Governor?

Yeah.

I agree with you.

If we lose the seat, we're down.

I think we're much better off with a Democrat than we are with a Trump.

Because you can oppose the Democrat all the time.

We aren't going to win the House anyway, sir.

There's no question.

We are going to win the House.

We might win the House, but we never know.

Okay, but if you're about to do that, then that is going to hit us.

It is going to make a difference.

That's the point, Bob.

You're exactly right.

It is the thing where, like last time on the Senate, where we had to look at each seat and figure lawyers over who were in one seat.

We could come pretty close to this.

No.

How?

It's not that you think my ball or the bumper might lose them.

Yeah, but we might not lose the ones we might lose.

There are a lot of them that are possible losses that aren't by any zero.

And some of them may pick them.

Is Bob Hill going for governor in the moment?

Yeah.

Against Peterson?

We ought to make sure he...

I thought...

I think we ought to see the units.

Now they told... We've been staying very carefully out of it, of course, until Friday.

But...

I think we've got a lot of hospitals coming.

I don't know if it's going to be very natural.

It's going to be tough.

We can't openly help them because we can't get into opposing the company.

Right.

But I agree, we sure shouldn't do anything to hurt them.

We aren't.

We've tried to stay clear.

Okay.

We're looking at a very cold lady.

She wants to come in and report to you on Spain.

Mitchell has said absolutely not.

I won't.

Well, I think the things that come with a primary have a certain amount of life.

I don't know now whether... No.

No.

Oh, I mean, before the... What the hell happens there?

It's better to die.

They have a primary now.

See, the government will be there.

Is it?

They have another primary now.

Yeah.

Much later.

What I do is that I don't believe that anybody...

I mean, the policy of this administration is that nobody reports on his country.

I mean, you can report to the Secretary of State.

I don't, by the way, I don't think you should have that to do with, it won't, I mean, this might, well, give him a picture and answer it with you, which is what you've got.

No, I'll take it.

It's all right.

He's an ambassador.

He's leaving his position.

Well, John has been very much in that he should definitely not do that.

Now, maybe with the... Oh, I know.

Put it straight to John, because I don't care what he feels.

I'm not going to give it to the girl.

I don't want to get John off the weapon that he's on, which is very strongly that you should stay out of these political events.

Jerry Ford did it yesterday.

I think you should go to the dinner last night.

John said absolutely not.

Jerry hasn't told the board that yet.

And the board's got to do those kinds of things.

Right, right.

He said it, and they have done it.

But the general feeling here is it wasn't a hell of a lot for us because we didn't know if we were going to get something.

At least Bart said it wasn't.

It was, it was very attritional in that.

Well, then you can always go, I want you to, I want all of us to know here, that's the way to go.

They'll do these things.

Like, Pat's going to New York to do the bookings.

That's great.

It's marvelous.

It really is.

And it's the presence that they know.

And I'm working on the word problems of the bus things.

And where are you, like, in the television picture of the, uh,

Political ground.

There was a report at a political gathering last night, the president was in session.

They told me that we should, we've got a way to do the press night before the election doesn't start.

I don't remember until about an half a year or so, or at least until our side has been presented to the event.

Back it up.

Well, not back it up, necessarily.

Maybe just simply revert to it, you know, play off of it, disable it.

I didn't really have the time for you to do it with me right now.

Right after they stand here, it's over.

What do you think?

Mm-hmm.

What else do they grow for?

They want them.

They use them, huh?

Yeah, they use them.

Should I suggest that?

Yeah.

They like that.

I like the big house.

I'm not going to be in Florida.

You know, we get along perfectly.

And, uh... Big houses, anytime they want them.

If nothing happens on this area, she could go down this weekend and maybe she should get three days down there.

He could head up to the park.

Got reasons to be there.

He doesn't need any reason anyway.

What I meant is that he's going to go up to the Justice Department and tell them what the case is.

And this is just a board of primers.

What the hell is this?

In the Florida primary, because I haven't checked it at all.

Besides, it's actually on the ballot.

It's on the ballot.

Why not?

I thought they put it on the ballot.

I'll check that to be sure.

It's on the ballot.

There's two.

Yeah.

And what have we done about that?

I can give you a rundown of the same.

basic kind of approach.

We've avoided any public stuff, and a lot of back teams seem to get a turnout.

Of course, there, you won't get a turnout.

You still have the one Democratic.

Yeah, but you've got the Republican side there is more strongly innocent than it was in Hampshire.

This is quite a revolt, and you've got heavy official support.

Kirkwood doesn't want anybody to get criticized for it.

The official party is offering it.

Well, it's a good thing for that.

Isn't it?

It's not a free, open primary.

They haven't gotten very far with that, but that's one thing they've tossed out.

And that's a great thing to do.

Yeah, they're doing a thing like they did in New Hampshire.

They're having a rally type deal.

Good.

Tomorrow night at Red Star or something like that.

I'm not sure if Jack and Lisa ended up being in it or not.

Would you track the Red Skelton?

He was in Washington last night, and then was going to Detroit, so it may get him on a pleasure stay, I think, huh?

We've got to do a service.

Come on, we've got a lot of them.

He had a hell of a market position up there.

42,000 writers.

Hell of a good writer.

You know, the... Well, I think he only got, what, 70% or something?

72%?

Well, he had 12 people who were writers.

There you go.

You gotta bring your Democratic Party into this conversation.

Mm-hmm.

So you can't make a difference.

I love what this session was, and why we didn't do it.

That's what we've got to do.

I don't know how we presented that.

Oh.

It all...

Well, I just wanted to thank you for going down to Florida, Red, and, uh, I, you know, had to, uh, stay here and concentrate on the problems of state, but, uh, I'm glad I got a few friends that are willing to, uh, to say hello to Outback.

Well, I appreciate it, and I just, uh, my only regret is I can't be there.

You know, I, uh, I could, I could just look at Red Skelton's back all night, please.

And then that would be me, Berman, as a request to me.

Would you do this?

Would you control the audience?

Is your last hunter to do the black, you know?

You know, that one?

And that's the origin you want.

And whatever you're trying to watch out for, it's my experience.

for me.

Okay.

Thank you.

God bless you.

Take care.

We love you.

I just wanted to salute more of our emotional needs.

Lots.

There's a post running on COVID.

Yes, sir.

With a big headline on it.

It's on page two.

Oh.

Which is further forward than they usually are.

What they're going to do is a good side story.

No, our main parts are not open.

It's not open.

It can't be open.

Yeah, we can get it.

We can get it.

The problem is that there is no heat in it except for carbon.

And it's going to be below 20 tonight.

And they're concerned about that.

They can't.

They may be able to put some portable heaters in, but there's a problem with the electric load.

They're not sure whether it'll work.

They can try it one night and crank the fireplace up.

Well, I'll take a look.

The path is like a light.

I'm going to be getting today around 6 o'clock.

I'm going to show you how it's going to be here.

I don't know if you can tell, but it's going to be a great day.

And tomorrow, I'm going to be able to finish doing it today.

The problem after that is it would be better if she stayed the night Saturday night because that would be better than David.

She was poking around in your kitchen and in your cabin.

Rosewood sat up while mine was jacking along.

I thought that Saturday evening,

I'm not going to pick it up because I feel the difference I told you earlier this year, this September 7th, I'll be planting that in church, my friend.

And I'm not going to need to talk one day, but I'm going to have to be good.

I'll do it.

I'll go through one day.

I mean, I would do that for anybody.

You know, I would do that.

I have a friend in Georgia.

Thank you very much.

You can just be kind to those men, though, because I can't just fade away every night.

I'm sure I'll have to kick her out one day, because she gets mad at you.

It's at least not the worst time.

But there's no good time.

But what I think, what I think I will do is understand.

and they come back here, then I will go to Camp David.

And John will come back here.

So if they go to Camp David, that's horrible.

And that's why I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do to you next week.

I've got my schedule short and clear.

If I have to, I just may go to Camp David to work.

We have an NSC schedule for Tuesday.

They say they have to have one on the song.

I'll be right back.

Oh, that's what she's here for.

It's her birthday.

No, she's here just because she wants to be here.

You know that.

What did you like about the party?

Virtually everybody's here.

Hey.

I don't think people should be working here all the time.

You know what I mean?

Assistant patients, some people sometimes have to and they do.

Everybody does at certain times, but I've been finding people out here at 6 or 7 at night.

I think it's true.

Is it 12 hour days long enough?

Well, of course, they're normal, but I don't see a lot.

I don't think anybody should be here.

On the gridiron, the BP's thing in California is the Republican Senate.

Now, you can't do that.

But we can, well, he doesn't.

We can get him out of that.

I think we've got a real problem with both of you on the side.

I agree.

He seems to think that he's got a treatment that he doesn't have to go.

I think we've got to go back and...

We just can't be there because of what's come up.

That's the problem.

We'll get something, we can get something else for the assembly.

All right, if you don't mind, I want to hurry.

So, Henry Kiss, do you have a report on him?

I don't know.

We've been talking about this for a long time.

And I didn't take any excuse to be in California at any time.

I tried, but I had to give up going to California to see myself roasted at the...

I don't know unless you decided you weren't worthy of the attention I showed you.

Well, you know, I was taking a quick look at the video.

It was something.

You know, it was funny.

You see a bird, and you see a dog, and you see...

Well, no, here's what, as far as the time period is concerned, yeah, it's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

I had two questions.

One, is that what the news generally is around the country?

He's just cleaning up.

He's cleaning up.

He said the right wing journalist stuff.

No, no, no.

I can never be the right wing.

I can't be the right wing.

I always was.

But the only stuff he had, the only stuff he had with regard to other reactions was citing Stuart Alson, the life editorial, and if other had anything positive on it, maybe not us.

Part of what it is, he's carried so much positive stuff that he's, I think, I'm sure in the past anyway, it's a little bit more negative.

Let's see what else that was about.

that they're trying to do it outside, had obviously written a negative piece, and I turned them around to make it mixed.

Actually, they left out some negative, and they didn't put any part of the safe department in the center, which was where they sit.

Somebody's putting that up because it isn't true.

It was nothing different from what had happened before.

Yeah.

I thought it was Stuart Ossoff on television or something.

That was it.

Spectre.

Yeah.

Where he said that it was just a cruel time.

They were cruel.

Well, they were cruel, but this Rogers has not had it.

No, Rogers is not laughing at Rogers because he didn't see Bob.

And he therefore has to go.

You can tell when a man is about to go.

He's about to go.

He peddled that line to me when he was here, and I pleaded with him not to do it.

Well, he did it.

It was gone, but then he did it in his interview.

That's right.

Well, he made me a project, and I told him it was for no purpose, but that it's wrong, that Roger is doing exactly what he's always been doing, that the pattern of the summit was exactly the same.

Well, Roger's the same kid.

Roger said it very well, I think.

Roger has said it well.

But it's his goddamn department that's killing him.

And why is he supporting him?

He came on the battle with the U.K. and so forth.

That's a thing that's not very well.

No, I don't think that's right.

I think that is Griffith.

That's none of the best Griffiths.

That is a hate to.

I mean, he absolutely hates you.

So I hate the administration.

I don't think anybody leaves like that.

But our conclusion is good.

You understand?

I'm not.

I'm only concerned about the fact that we mentioned yesterday that we've got to achieve a little balance, not for my sake, but you've got to be able to say to the staff, and they'll see it in the right way, because he reads everything.

You may.

But there are other people down the line here, around here, who will not see it that way.

I mean, you take Rose, for example.

She really got that.

And children, maybe.

And then she sees people that, that they're, I was going to say, children, people that are not quite as up on things.

And you've got to keep the people out of it.

And then you've got to put something positive in that goddamn summary.

I talked to one of the students about that, about that, about that.

And it was that, and you can't hold on.

What he picked up was straight off the wire, which is what he uses.

And a wire, UCI wire carried it exactly the way Morton reported it, which was totally different than the way Times Square did.

Now the question is, do I go back to the wire and get that checked?

How are we doing this?

I'm sorry.

but I still believe I have yet to meet a person I mean I had breakfast with Laird this morning now Laird is always full of mountain things and the last time I had breakfast with him before the trip he saw it would be a very close election he stays here and he stays here public opinion has turned completely in your favor and I don't know what the rate you give to Laird but

In fact, he's talking now about today and now.

Is he going to agree or not?

Well, he's got to agree.

On this altar?

Yeah.

I showed him for that.

You probably, if I didn't, if you couldn't do the bombing as I said as well, if Morris can't line up the trees, then maybe you shouldn't reappoint him.

Because he's termed himself at the end of the war.

And I think it's too early that we have all these problems.

I don't care whether it's useful or not, they cannot go out and leave the nice, buckling, tower of rest that we have sold out to Russia.

And they're so insane.

They say that we exclude the submarines.

The Soviets are going to have 70 submarines or so before we can build a new one.

That's true.

But if we don't have an agreement, that same condition exists.

So in order

So, in added addition, they will then be building land-based missiles, too, which at least would be shocking.

The point is that we should reach out.

Without agreement, they're going to build submarines.

That's right.

With agreement.

That's right.

We're better off with an agreement on land-based rather than no agreement at all.

That's exactly my view.

Now, what we'll have to do is, are we able to find them?

Oh, no question.

But we ought to get a crash program done, which accelerates some of the submarines.

Build some new ones for the interim period.

Our own?

That's right.

If they won't include submarines, there's a new... Before the ounce comes into being, that is...

We could build something called 640 submarines.

That's a submarine with a present hull, but with new missiles.

Can we order those now?

We could go to those now.

We wouldn't get any before 75, but at any rate, we could.

How about putting it out right now?

And I think we should do it after.

I think if we put out another program, the Russians may use it as an excuse.

Not to make a deal.

Not to make a deal, but if we can't get a deal, we can go to the Congress and say, since we've tried for a deal, they wouldn't give it to us.

We've got to go to the... Let's start building up the idea of the submarines now.

Submarines are not included.

And that they're more than we're going to trade.

The one I can't have is let's don't have a situation where we go into jail and say, aha.

Oh, no, Bill, I'm screwed.

See what I mean?

No.

You know, in China, we know you're screwed, but in Russia, they might have something to say.

What we'd be able to do is, I don't think you should be the one who finally makes that deal.

I think we should get Jerry Smith to recommend it.

and put it through the verification panel.

I mean, that's part of the deal.

And, uh, I think it runs through the employer.

What do you think can be done for riders in the landing shop business and so forth?

That's pretty rough.

Nothing to do with that.

I don't know what the hell is the matter with Stuart Ossoff.

He shows off on these goddamn picks.

Yes, he did once.

Not very often.

No, but when he does, he just can't be stopped.

It's helping him.

No, it's...

I've been thinking about all these conversations.

I just can't decide.

I think to make a change now is a hell of a decision to take.

You can't do it then.

Let me tell you the reason, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know,

There's no way that you're not going to have one hell of an issue about it.

Roger, you're not done making it, but the people that are not your friends are our enemies.

I'm sending a phone call.

But that could might get anybody down.

I understand.

But the other one is more fun, right?

Putting somebody in that damn job is going to be terribly, terribly difficult because you can't put them in trouble.

I'm just not going to do that.

That's the problem.

I'm not ready to make the change that I need to make at that job because it's got to be done.

I'm just not ready to put an elderly person in there and get stuck with him.

That's the problem.

I'm not ready to put anybody else in there except for me.

The only man that I would consider Secretary of State of Roethlisberger to get sick today would be Rush.

Because I didn't have a cold heart to talk to him and say, look, I'm going to put you in here.

I said, we'll have to determine who you are serving.

Because he's able to say, fine, I'll do it.

The only thing, I'm not going to let him live in so much.

And the trouble is, if you put anyone in, he's not even loyal as he is.

The whole town is going to watch for the brawl between him and me.

It doesn't make any difference what we decide to do.

That's the way it's going to be.

It's going to be washed.

And that's going to be a problem.

But I think they're going to make an issue of the state-white house relations anyway.

and his company, and God damn it, who the hell cares?

But nobody gives a damn about all those things at all, except basically the people of Washington.

Nobody in Henry has ever affected him incidentally.

If you look back over the history of the British parliamentary system, the American cabinet system, they're having brawls at every administration, at every president, and all this goes on first, and it has had no effect whatever on the election.

It's amazing.

Don't you think it's a great thing?

I think it's a great thing.

We've got three months to get through.

If we haven't gotten through three years and three months, I mean, after the Democratic Convention, it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference what anybody... We've got to get through the Moscow Summit.

The one thing that would be sad is, in response to these crybaby tactics,

We now started building our branches every time it was done that we paid for it.

That's correct.

Except in preparation for the Moscow Sun, I think we got to arrange things like...

Because I told you guys to pick up.

We've got a certain time, whenever you get a choice, one year, two, three, some time, and I said, you get this, you get the brain, and I'll stop in 15 minutes here, and I'll model all of you to tell you what I want done.

Second point, you know, they can do what they want.

So this thing is important.

And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to say, I'm going to be in charge.

I'll start with that.

I'll get to you.

and whatever else you hear, I'm in charge.

Now, I'm going to designate Henry to do this and that and the other thing, and I want something to work out so Rogers does certain things too, but you are the remember that I am the man who is in charge.

You make that clear that we can, and I'll start off with now, then I'll say now.

With regard to Rogers, I said, his position, I said he's fine, and I think that his position is going to be very difficult unless he is given some stripping, and there are some times when you like to talk.

And then I think what will happen is that

Do you think it can be possible for the brain and rockers to do the same thing together?

All right.

Do you want rockers to sit down at the grand alone?

Yeah.

All right.

We'll do it.

All right.

Rockers.

I don't want them to sit down.

Frankly.

At all.

That's right.

Because nobody can avoid doing that.

Yeah.

All right.

Fine.

And the thing to do is, why isn't it better for you to be there?

Because Samuel asked to be there when I see the Brigham.

That's right.

Because when I... You heard him on that.

He said some of the needs you have...

I'll be delighted if he lets me be there.

I'll tell you what, he's going to be sure.

I don't think he's going to go.

I'll tell you what, the way to do it is to set it up so that the Brigham first...

So the reason I'm in charge, I am going to be in charge.

I'm going to be able to make them all aware of everybody.

You've got to say to Rogers, because of these kinds of agreements, because they do involve the power and so forth.

I've got to be in overall charge.

I'm going to look at their hands and my stone.

I've got lots of time.

I've got two months.

That's the second thing I'm going to say to them.

Then you figure out before I see her what we want him to talk to Rogers about.

And there are various things that

that Dick can do over there.

Just give him the jackass stuff.

That's right.

I told Roger yesterday, I think it went right over his head, which is good and pleasing.

I said, don't be like that.

The only thing is, because you know there's going to be some talk on trade and grain and all that sort of thing.

And I said, remember the captain is begging to go.

I said, I turned it all down.

I said, because that's got to be handled by you.

But the bus is not going to Moscow.

No, I said, the bus is going now.

But I said, everyone else is going to the South.

No, that's true.

I said, you know, I'll tell you this.

oh yes

Yes, he just threw in other things.

He said, well, the Middle East, he said, we were in that.

I've got to talk to him about that.

Well, my point is that earlier, you know, they didn't want the Middle East even to come in, not when the Russians come in.

My point is, come in the Middle East.

I, that is, here's what I want to keep to myself.

That is basically here in this house.

Solve the Middle East and the decision with regard to the European Security Conference.

Now the difficulty is I've been so long talking about the European Security Conference lately, so we've got to work those out.

What's your, what's our plan in there?

We have been trying to get him to submit a paper on European Security Conference.

Now, if we could go over it and if we could then issue a directive to your man saying this is our position.

then he could handle it.

The trouble is, he won't tell us what he wants to talk about.

And a lot of these arguments that these guys are making are outrageous.

Under our system, they have more of a chance of an input than they ever have before.

What they don't have is exclusive jurisdiction.

They do, cannot turn the president in to understand that which is what they want.

Bob, if we'd have left Salt and Rogers, personally, there would have been a flat-out battle for the judges.

That's right.

I don't think he can explain the issues to you today.

So?

Huh.

I must say, on that, I've got to hand it to O'Leary.

He knows the issues themselves.

He knows them.

I've got to hand it to him.

Politically, but he knows them.

But he knows, or he also knows what the hell's the problem.

Bill doesn't understand those things, and I don't know too well, but at least I know what the question is.

But Bill will not indulge himself in the luxury, what he considers to be a waste of time, of the philosophical balances.

In other words, whenever I raise the question,

What do the Russians really want out of Salt Lake?

Well, that's their concern.

It's not important.

He says it's important.

That's what we get.

Unless you know what the other guy wants, you don't know how to screw him.

That's what he says.

Remember how every time I raised that subject, Bill won't listen?

He doesn't like listening.

Oh, he doesn't bother to study it, does he?

And this is the most important thing we've got to do.

What do the Russians want?

We've got to look at the world from the way they look at it.

Southeast Asia, we should reserve to yourself.

China, we should reserve to yourself.

We can't have Rogers battling about... All right, Mr. President.

South Asia.

But he can handle all the agreements that we are working on.

Grain, environment...

Not space-socking science cooperation.

All right, that's it.

And if the European security conferences, we could only get him to put his bloody strategy into an interdepartmental forum.

That's it.

Well, let me have another run at it.

And we have to know when he sees Supremus.

I don't know.

I'm going to find out.

I don't know.

I'm going to find out.

But Henry, don't be concerned.

Robbie is not going to get with Jenny.

Not one damn thing.

We, as Bob will tell you, I didn't give him a thing.

And to me, nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

See, it's not a joke.

What he started out with was pretty much saying, well, he'd like to be in charge of it.

Well, he'd like to go to Moscow and stuff.

Well, first he wanted to go to Moscow.

And I said, well, what the hell?

You can't go to Moscow.

I said, we're going to have to wait.

We're going to have to wait.

And he said, Ron Walker.

But it's pure selfishness that is what is so disturbing.

The only thing that's left now, Mr. Besson, is a howlingly successful son.

If you get re-elected, then you've got four years to worry about egos.

If you don't get re-elected, the country is ruined.

The second part is that we went in.

Then, it'll be such a different government for the first time in this century, we'll have at least a government around here.

And we haven't.

You know, but if I lose, nothing makes any kind of difference because the country's in the middle of it.

I mean, we were talking last night, and I didn't have to sit there.

I mean, we just need...

Just imagine.

Teddy Kennedy would sit around here.

Imagine him.

Imagine Teddy.

Or Muskie.

Or Hungry.

Hungry.

Oh, God, the silly things he's been saying.

Hungry would be saying, we're getting out of Asia.

We have Hans controls.

And he'd give them the whole litany that would drive Joe and Light right up the wall.

They're not so dangerous.

You ought to get along with the Russians.

Huh?

India, if they would have been told later on, wicked.

But none of them understand.

None of them understand, mainly because they will not do what I've been trying to get Rogers to do, to put himself into the position of the Russians, like the Russians want.

Remember the story I once told, an old story about my conversation, I drove up to Pike Creek Farm,

And this is when Blake came, just before he was convicted.

He was just going through hell with it, and so forth and so on.

But Tad had come out against the decision to go into Korea.

The decision to go, not to come, but the decision to go.

And I had come out for it.

And I didn't talk to James at all.

And I said, what do you, what do you think?

And he was a great buyer of tax.

And it had become, because of principle, all the changes, basically, was quite little.

He said he did it in principle.

He said, well, in this case, he says, I regret to say, the senator is totally wrong.

He's looking at it from the standpoint solely of the United States and his involvement in the war.

He says, if you look at it solely from the standpoint of the United States, you're really worth fighting for.

But you must look at this in terms of the comments.

He says, for the communists, the war in Korea is not about Korea, it's about Japan.

And I felt a little bit, I was just going to say this, understand this is part of my school, it's 25 years old.

I said, Jim, I know it ain't about Japan.

He says, because, he says, Korea isn't worth anything anyway.

He says, the country isn't worth a damn, it's a barren, it has no resources for anything.

But Korea points like a dagger at Japan.

It is the roadway through which it is, of course, a hostile invasion of Japan.

Yet Korea at this time falls under communist domination.

Here you have a weak Japan, with its government not established and so forth.

would be pushed in the direction of Congress.

That's what the Board of Koreas is about.

Now, let's take this analysis.

He may be wrong.

It may be it was an accident.

It may be, and all that, because the Chinese look at it in different ways.

But on the other hand,

At least that is a matter, Henry, that not affects you by a hell of a lot of people.

Actually, it probably does.

But I'll bet you, if I ever make an argument, you're wrong if you even see it.

As I've often said, the war in Vietnam is not about Vietnam.

The war in Vietnam has never been about Vietnam, about the right of people to be independent and all that.

We all say that it's true, we want them to be, and so forth, and that's what we have to say.

But while the communists say the war in Vietnam is about freedom, peace, this and that, we say the war in Vietnam is about self-determination.

We know that the war in Vietnam is about the no-life restraints.

Right?

After those crazy problems, and every time they tend to go to NSC meetings,

For three years, I had tried to get in a little of that kind of conversation, and Stephanie must say that.

I scored all of it.

He does a hell of a good job of, uh, you know, disaster relief.

He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

Uh, Laird looks respectful.

He understands that he's the only name in the brief shot.

He almost had a chance.

Yeah.

He almost hasn't got the guts to do anything.

Right, yeah.

So now he's like, and we like, we're like battling like a baby.

I said, I give you some bears.

There's a billion of them.

Well, but what do we do?

What do we do?

You know, divorce.

You know, there's so many times that we've raised this thing.

Like I said, well, now, you know, in this whole page, I said, well, Jerry, it's going to lay on you.

And then the next thing, the only thing that Jet Rockers ever contributed on that was that, the internet thing, was that silly power over it.

Well, what do you want?

They want to get along with us because they want some transistor radios.

Well, our computer doesn't have separate radios.

The difference between you and him.

But the difference was shown in how you two handled our presence in anger.

You took it head on.

You said we've got to stay in anger.

Uh, that sounds as if it's offensive to them.

But that was the basis for our punishment.

It was the way it had to be said.

And it also, it's the base, it was good things that you took it head on.

But I didn't wave.

I didn't wave right.

That's the point.

Because I've seen him make an appearance in a way that is, even though in all its smoothness, it is sort of abrasive, in a sense, to say, look, you're a dumb bastard, like he talks to him, like he's always sitting there before.

Look, Bill, what's the matter with you?

If we're going to do anything you want, I understand why you don't care about him, in which, at least, is a terrible put-down to a man in his heart.

The way I talk to Bill is very different, really, isn't it?

As the new Prime Minister, I want you to know that I am aware of your position.

I know your position is totally based on my support.

And I said, but I know you would want me to state our position.

It is also based on principle.

And I want to tell you why I believe that our principle is in your interest.

I don't expect you to agree.

But I do think that you should know what motives me.

But what's more important is...

What you said sounded as if it were opposed to them.

That was the basis for their cooperation with us.

Because what the hell could I mean to them if we're out of Asia?

Larsen, on the other hand, was personally offensive by saying, you people did more traveling and understood what we like.

You know we're getting out of Asia.

So he attacked him personally and proved that there's no geopolitical basis for cooperation.

If we are out of Asia, we are no help to them.

And that's what he told him in this.

But sure, they say you ought to get out of Asia so that they have an excuse to tell their own story.

Remember the first time we went around in this?

Well, it was kind of an early assault in Asia.

I raised this up at this point, but I thought it was such a lie because I think it would be such a drama before we get into all this business about counting, counting, and throwaways and so on.

I said, well, what are the reasons?

What are their motivations?

What do they want?

And the bill constantly comes back up.

We can't guess about that sort of thing, and nobody's speculated about that sort of thing.

The thing to do is to really negotiate in this manner, and I'm very much here with the law.

But you never know what to negotiate?

Well, unless you've got a framework and know what the other guy wants and what you want, and know deep down what you're going to do, you're going to make a deal.

But the deal may be a bad one.

The Indian Pakistan, he never understood that we were playing for China, not for your trip, but for the whole family relationship.

The Cuban, the Cuban sub-base, he nearly drove us crazy when you put your foot down on that one.

And yet there hadn't been any submarines in Cuba for two years.

I mean, that would have changed, not just, it isn't just the physical balance of power, which is also what is affected, but above all, psychologically, it doesn't have a...

It's a question of how much sucking it out you should do.

Well, I know I can't do it in front of people with grace.

I know I will do it with grace, but I told them, well, look, if you're going to honor Alan Johnson for his retirement gift, God Almighty, you know, I have been nicely afforded service.

Well, you know, I never kicked him in the ass, and I've tried to defend his appropriations and all the rest.

I guess the great thing, though, is that we don't ask for their advice, but we do.

They've prepared us for that, and most of them do.

It's not true, Mr. President.

They do not have exclusive jurisdiction.

That's what they're screaming about.

Every committee that we have is state by state or has state participation on it.

There isn't an issue that's decided in which their papers don't go in.

Part of the problem is this.

What they'd like is a dumb man president.

That's who knew a little about the poor guy who knew all about domestic affairs and liked to talk about it.

And then Thompson's statement tells them how they had that situation in first base.

Harry Trump didn't know what he was asking first base about Ford Thompson.

He knew nothing.

Not about anything else.

He knew nothing.

He would always say, I look here, let's do this.

He said, now we've all been talking about our problems.

Because when you learn that war also applies in combat that occurs without war, does that put ourselves in the position of the enemy?

What are his problems?

And we spend an hour talking about that.

And we don't do that in the NSC today, Henry.

The NSC needs to become virtually useless due to the fact that they're truly...

just quivering around, like we did about that when Bobby Cutler was there, how we got the eye across the peer, this, and that.

So then I had to come in here and decide about that thing.

That's right.

Now, and it seemed to me to be useful, ought to be, so we considered three or four very constant versions.

In those articles, I remember, also, if you look back to the Dulles theory, what is the foreign service to the Dulles, you defended him publicly against the Dulles, over and under.

If the Secretary of State...

The only viable position for a prime advisor to the president is to be the president's man, never to permit anyone to suggest that he did it or that he differs with the president.

There has to be total identity.

That's the only way you have a right to be an MP advisor, whether you're assistant or secretary of state.

If you play the bureaucracy against the president,

If you think your glory consists of putting out into the newspapers that you land something down the President's throat, it's an untenable possession.

Now, when a Secretary of State has done that, the Foreign Service has shown it.

When the Secretary of State was the President's man, like others was, the Foreign Service was transferred master to the Secretary of State as they now are to me, or to you.

That's what the problem with the Foreign Service is, and this is why

One reason I'm so wavering about making a change now is because whoever goes in there has to rip those plastic apart for two months.

and then you would suddenly know you're in trouble.

Or if Mitchell was far, Mitchell was far too easy.

He was wanting to find new judges and do a new job around the country.

But at the first department, he got himself a right to do it and he wasn't.

I think I've thought a lot about it.

He's got to do it in two ways.

He's got to use some younger people to fire the old people.

He's got to do it like Simon with his group.

He's got to get a son of a bitch like another...

Try to find the others.

And when you've found that, you can find others.

It's so unpopular by them that it's easy to do.

And that has the whole process must be finished within six months.

The first wave must go within six weeks.

And the next wave within six months.

Right after the election.

but before the election, so that you don't waste that time.

Start getting them out of there in November.

End of the year, out to the end, but it must be Christmas.

The man must walk in there and say, the Jewish guy who talked about prerogatives is out.

There is no prerogative except what you heard.

You're the president of the people.

They haven't got that in their head.

They think there is some sort of an abstraction.

And that is just for your sake, Mr. President.

Your successor is going to thank you.

These people are institutionally disloyal now.

All this was talked about in the closing Eisenhower years when you were running the first time for president.

The fact that you had to get in order to clean out the State Department and then you did it again.

There's so many things.

Yesterday, one of these little shit-asses, a deputy assistant senator, testified before the House on Green and made a violent attack on the Green government.

Oh, they don't do that.

They don't do that against the Yugoslavia or Romania or Manila.

Richard David.

No, it is.

Ah, it's not the one you dislike.

It's another David.

Ah, I want to say, I know the David series isn't good.

But the David series is not good.

There's nothing wrong with the David series.

No, but it's not that one.

That David you mean is the fat guy with the fat hair, thin, lean guy.

But my point is, when you get the right man in the state,

That fellow ought to be on the way to a shack today.

Right.

We can't release all of this stuff out of here because it becomes... We'll be accused of supporting dictators.

Right.

What do we do?

I'll be at your side.

That's right.

We are on our side.

That's okay.

So...

Well, I know.

I still have to go, and I have to feel more relaxed about the whole thing.

I feel sorry for Ryker in a personal sense.

It must be terrible to go for out of man.

Terrible.

But he's going to go ahead and survive.

I've just said that.

I'm just terribly sorry for him in a personal sense, because he's so pained.

Hell, let me tell you again.

He's the guy that invented the internet.

He feels angry.

He thinks this is bad.

Look what this son of a bitch has written about me for 25 years now.

Lying about me.

They've said far worse.

I've heard a lot of cartoons about him.

But I never see him or anybody else come and say he does a horrible thing.

And I don't want to cry about it.

Never.

It gets special, Jack.

The trouble with Rikers is you worry about all the genes in that civil body.

It's funny, isn't it?

He's brought it on himself.

If he has made a lot of things...

But if he had made himself a loyal integral part of the team, who the hell would know who gave what advice?

Who is laughing at him, for God's sake?

And why?

Nobody, well, the press is, some of the press, because they're trying to screw us, and some of his own people, and that's it.

Okay.

That seems like it.

The country is, the country doesn't know who's secretary of state.

If you read the article in the Star, it is one massive exercise of disloyalty by his opponents, to him.

Ehrman was the curve.

Rodman was okay.

Erwin really was.

If Rogerson takes that Erwin line, stay with it.

Sure.

Erwin is a weak system, but a strong system.

He was exactly Erwin.

He was very easy.

He's a decent man.

And Rogerson's on the right.

Okay, now what's all this crap about the way we conduct work?

Well, see, one is the results.

We're getting secure results.

So we must be doing something.

It all goes back to the means of death.

It doesn't all go back to the means of death.

and how he was a part of it.

In a language as simple as you see, you see a lot of random fish on the island, and say, well, there was a front that I had to go to there to talk all that time, and Joe and I were in the car, we were out there crying snakes.

Wasn't that, now that's region, isn't it?

I don't know if there's a town that does that.

Yeah.

And that's what they used to do in China.

You're not going to watch it.

That's interesting.

Not that he got that in faith, did I?

There's nothing you can do about that.

That's just when you get it.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Nobody sees you.

Mr. President, Dave?

More than an hour with Mao would have been a total waste of your time.

What do you mean by that?

Mao saw you within your first three hours in his private residence.

The film of it was put on the Irish Sun.

It is not a good thing, if not for any foreign visitor, in the last decade.

What do you mean by that?

They said that's bad news.

The President had to go to Mao's residence.

What the hell?

Newsweek had... What do you mean by that?

Newsweek had an article a week ago...

Now, when a head of state comes here,

Do I have to call on him?

No.

He comes and calls on me.

Did they say something about me?

Mao has never, as long as the Chinese government exists, called on anybody.

The only question is that we see you in a... You should...

There's some Chinese professor who's name I don't know.

Liu, there's a Chinese professor who had an article in Newsweek about a week ago.

He said that the honors they paid you exceeded those they had paid to Fan Fan Dong.

to any extent of the play, and that if we only understood the Chinese, the reception at the airport was within the limits, that the situation was absolutely most cordial.

Most important, from a viewpoint of significance, because of the fact that the Red Guards and the PLA was there, all of its command, plus all of the important...

He said all the Communist Bureau was there, which had never happened before.

No, they'd never done that.

They'd never done that for anybody.

Including the Communists.

Including Communist leaders.

I'm sure they put on that, uh... No, you didn't.

Wasn't that interesting?

They didn't put on the civil banner and all that for just testing, because that was a spirit festival.

As far as substance, though, the important people weren't there.

Even we know that it's not a country, but they could have gotten a million off the street.

They didn't put on any, uh, any whipping up the street.

Thank God they didn't.

That was, that, in fact, it was a great thing to happen.

And also, they...

I didn't read the article, but I thought it was good.

I thought it was very positive when I talked to him.

I don't know whether he wrote it.

What do you see positive in it?

But this is real basically because of it.

The only reason I ask is to get back to my final objective, which is whether we are correct in taking a law on the bill of unlawfulness or a concept or a subject.

I'm going to put it this way.

Why?

Because I'm sure that when we leave the beach, we're going to find that it's favorable.

um i mean we don't have to be so we have we have a wrong here about i know they can't read the whole confining kind of this

We go too far overboard in saying we've got to be nice to our enemies for fear that people will say we're not nice to our enemies.

They say we're not nice enough.

So the thing to do is to not be nice to our enemies, give them the answer.

See my point there?

One thing I totally regretted on, which I've told Barbara innumerable times, is without the television coverage, we would have been dead.

Are you talking about me?

No, he does.

I deserve all the credit because I was supposed to.

You saw it.

It was very important.

And it's like a dream.

I was supposed to.

Absolutely.

If my advice had prevailed, there would have been an out special.

They would have killed us with a special too.

Because they would have... You know, the TV helped the Chinese too.

Yeah.

Yeah, so even though they've got some of their neckies stuck on, they also... Oh, but you see, there's...

There's one thing they don't drive.

That's the person.

It's the name in the image of yourself.

They can't admit that they'd be killing you.

Well, some of them did, but not Raymond.

But the TV just ran...

Even the editorial things that you came across...

I forget what the actual...

I didn't see that.

No, that didn't happen.

I think it's a generally positive one, considering as good as it makes you.

Everybody I've talked to

It's astounding, pleased, and impressed by your behavior when everybody doesn't know you.

And that is going to affect the whole public today.

It was interesting, last night I went to this, to an opening at the Port of Spears, and Father Harkin,

came over and tapped you.

And he was just kind of, he said, we just went on and on about the thing.

And he said he had a personal communication from the Holy Father.

And he said this, as I'm sure the President knows, the Holy Father prays and instructs, not just prays, he sends instructions to the prayer.

So, you know, they were tied to it.

That's one of the things for the Catholic Church to tie to you going into the team in Congress.

I guess Chris Hartley's got another motivation.

When you start your post-roll exchange, he likes to take his Catholic team players, which isn't a bad thing.

But then again, Andrew's single.

But he wants to go.

That's the point.

He was talking about the super job that the friend did.

And he said, I'm going to talk to Rosemary.

I'll give her a full rundown on it.

But he said...

The way the president conducted himself, he said, my whole life has been theater and the church.

And theater and the church are both concerned with timing and presentation.

And he said that whole trip was a superb piece of perfect timing and perfect presentation.

I can repeat letters a day, at least even now.

from all walks of life, from all over the country, crazy enough that, not that mad, but then who they, you know, tend to sit outside of life.

It is an episode.

Today, I mean, he, John, for instance, tells us that he's made it, the President has made it true.

I want to say that it's the most important historical thing.

Not only that it was done, but Hollywood, sir.

And Fairbank.

Don't know nothing about China.

He's been invited to go.

He says he won't go.

It's a...

to have the full talk with us.

Okay.

But I'm not bothered.

I didn't mean to bother.

I just want you to analyze people like that and see whether it's worth taking them like that.

Because I certainly think that there's just a couple of events in Kansas that we don't take them on.

and I'm going to hang for you on the, uh, the ramp that I just handed you home.

It does not ever take you to the next level.

Well, if you want to watch, there are a few people to bounce every time you want to follow that one.

It feels really good to say that you made it there.

That's how it is.

And I hadn't realized how emotionally anti-communist Buckley is.

He's so emotional that he can't understand that the deepest anti-communism now is to play the game against Moscow.

That this is good anti-communism, but he is smart enough to understand it.

And being in a communist country was so great to him.

Yeah, yeah.

Thank you very much.

Let me ask you about a couple of things.

Should we not steer Rodney now back at the meeting to do polling in a polling moment?

Well, we certainly shouldn't have him in Yugoslavia in Romania.

Because I didn't.

All right, fine.

Well, I think we can let him go to polling.

So let's suspend him.

Let him go to May or then to polling.

All right.

And you're saying you divided that deal?

Yes, it did not be.

And it won't be good to have human men annoyed about it.

They're not going to like him going anywhere.

But Poland is much safer than you could likely imagine.

Yeah, yeah.

Now, with regard to how we handle rockets, in terms of participation, we're going to have to do a lot of that communication writing again before the meetings, but I'm sure we'll be able to do that.

We'll set it up for Russians.

We'll do it to you.

No, no, no.

When we get there, you know, we'll be with the Chinese.

I know the perfect boy.

Well, he shouldn't be trying to communicate.

Well, if that's satisfactory to you, we can set it up that way.

Yeah.

Now, how do we get him?

How do we get him?

I think you're about to be just thinking about giving him the trade and the, well, those three or four... Trade, European space, environment, European security conference, if you want something.

But then we must insist that we know what the hell he's going to say.

I will write a memorandum on all three of these issues.

This is my opinion.

My position is not going on that.

If he's not trade, let me write a memorandum.

That's reading with him.

And I'll write a memorandum and start over again.

I'm here at the security office.

I have very great reservations.

I don't want an agreement on it.

I want to do this and that.

Prepare me a position paper on all of those.

And we have to enforce the rule.

The one thing though, Mr. President, there is no reason in the world why he has to be given excluded jurisdiction.

Why can't we get it done in the NFC system and have him do the negotiating?

If he takes a position on trade, for example, then it's his baby.

We'll talk a little bit again.

All right, I'll talk a little bit, rather than the NSC system, because I don't want to have this discussion with any of them present.

No, no, I mean with the peace committee.

All right, well then, why don't we have a meeting about the whole committee with me present, where I lay down the law about the whole committee.

Definitely, Mr. President.

I want to.

It will turn into a detailed meeting.

David, I don't care whether he does the negotiating.

I don't want to talk to the president about it.

But we've got to ask him.

Why don't I ask?

that a paper be prepared by the agency working with you.

That's the question.

And then let him negotiate it.

No, if you then, if you prepare it, your anesthesiologist prepares a paper for my consideration, then I'll make, I'll have that, I'll do that, and then I will say, all right, I approve the paper.

And if you, who would be part of it, who would be, who would be there, who would be involved with the paper?

Peterson, no, in the lower group.

It will be Peterson's people, Flanagan's people, Trenbury's, and Lansbury's.

I mean the whole business.

What I do, I can just ask for a paper to be prepared with regard to...

Why do you come up with this?

That's right.

But there are two aspects.

One is, what comes up is, what he really wants, in my view, is to handle a lot of this stuff the way he handled the Middle East, stuck it over there, and then we never know what happens.

Yeah.

We've got this trade thing well set up now.

Eidos is doing a good job planning and it's doing good job for once.

Everyone is tracking.

Now I don't give a damn who negotiates it.

I don't want to discuss it with Sabrina.

So states that negotiate it.

But the preparation of it ought to be geared together.

as an interdepartmental effort.

And RAN just has two basic plans.

Flanagan can have the basic preparation.

It doesn't

He and I work well enough together to, there's no problem.

Yeah.

Yes.

I don't think I made myself clear.

I don't know anything about the trade mall now.

Do you control it?

What I've done is we've just given exclusive jurisdiction.

Yes.

Yes, I've done it.

I've done it.

We can do the negotiating.

And he has stayed in, integrally in on the planning anyway.

But I've got to approve the position.

And you approve it.

We'll get it prepared.

Why don't I get outside the light of the position, prepared by the NSC staff, by the NSC, through the NSC system, on the following matters?

Sure.

Now, shall we meet each other?

Yes.

Shall we meet each other?

Yes.

Should we meet each other?

Yes.

Should we meet each other?

No.

I put that aside.

And then let it negotiate.

In what regard?

Let it negotiate.

that you don't want to negotiate now and then.

Anyway, or you can let him talk to Duprinan.

The only trouble is if he talks to Duprinan, he's going to surface so many ideas that we're going to go crazy there.

Well, I was wondering all about my fault, Duprinan.

Well, there are two choices.

I think you have to keep him out of this.

Those don't agree to molest him.

But remember, I've got a private one.

Yeah, but those bastards are not interested in us.

The Chinese want you to be re-elected.

Yeah, they don't.

All right, I'll let over the Mao conversation with you.

I'm sending it in to you.

You might look it over.

First of all, you look extremely good in this.

I mean, actually.

But you read it yourself.

you really, you talk in fact somewhat more than Mao did, and in a very coherent way.

Secondly, he is extraordinarily cautious, very subtle actually when you read it carefully, and it's, and says both at the beginning and the end that he wants you to be re-elected and be spending on that.

So the Russians, I think, are more equivocal in our behavior and have two positions.

So I probably, I guess the key point is, you're being security.

You can be that way.

You should just work on that.

He's going to screw it up.

That's what they have.

That doesn't matter.

All right.

Well, if it doesn't, then we'll give them that.

No, no, no.

We have to give them that.

All right.

Now, on committees, though, you just say at this point, I do not want to have a committee discussion.

I just said that to you.

All right.

Because we're in another channel, I do not want to go to the Russians at this point on that.

You have a commitment to go there.

And I'll say that I go there, but I told her that we would not go there.

I did not say this is the time to do this.

This is the time to go to the Russians.

Because of the high sensitivity.

You see how far my foot has come with developing the air.

The mediation will not be solved as they discussed on the channel.

We have not discussed that with the reading at this point.

Not until we get to the other channel.

It should be cut to the other channel at this point.

Does he want to discuss all of it?

Did he say he wanted to discuss all of it?

No.

He wanted to discuss it all.

Well, sure.

Don't know what he said.

He wanted to...

He came back.

He wanted... You don't realize where I was going to say it.

It was that he would like to go to Russia, sit down in Moscow, work out the whole...

He said...

And this is forgettable.

My wife can say a lot of things.

And I said, I'm asking if you put me in charge of the Russian summit.

Just as Henry was in charge of the Chinese.

Well, but then she backed off of that and said, you can do that openly.

But obviously we handle it the way it's been handled before.

That wasn't true.

I wasn't publicly in charge of the China summit.

I went the other way.

Uplifted?

Of course.

What the hell was he doing in the truck?

Yeah, so that was his first over.

So, you know, he absolutely would have.

That's all there is to that.

But he lied.

He lied.

There is a way to get them to participate in the thing, but the Secretary of State is not going to be in charge of the Moscow summit.

He cannot be.

On the other hand, it could be a proper referendum.

I will give working orders that these matters can be discussed.

Now, European security is there, and they've made it back and handled, solved back and handled, off of the base, on the basis of that.

You can compare me on the basis of the basis of the office.

I've got one.

The European Security Conference is the topic.

What are we talking about there?

Tell him.

I don't have to do a little on that.

He can take it up with the Bremen, but you want a full discussion of it in the NSA.

First.

That's after all, this affects defense and others.

Well, the other thing is, is on all of us, and he can explain more today than I know, but he hasn't yet, unfortunately, is that before he takes anything up with the Bremen on any of these items, he might be able to submit it.

for information, the positions he expects to take, quickly.

And here's a full report afterwards of what was covered at 1.7.

At that point, there is no way he can object on that.

I'm going to go ahead and answer that, so that we have a place to protect us in our state.

I want a memorandum of conversation.

I don't want to have to have a chair.

I don't want a full text of the goddamn thing.

I don't want texts in these conversations.

He doesn't like texts, and they don't develop ideas.

We're, let me say, we don't ever worry about them together.

We have an intention on one mind.

They're never going to get it.

Never.

Menopause, yes.

But I think you've got to, you see, I mean, the big thing is we've got to keep in the shop what matters.

We'll keep salt in the shop.

We'll keep the minutes in the shop.

That's it.

I need your insecurity to be my reason.

It doesn't matter.

But I need you to wait and I need to talk about it.

Provided I'm against strict orders and what the position is, I'm okay with that.

He'll screw it up because he's just in addition to everything else incompetent.

I hate to say this, but you would have to do that knowing you're going to pay a price.

But it's the area in which we can probably tolerate the price.

I mean, that's what the fact of the matter is.

The trouble with him is... What did you say there?

That he can't go beyond the...

But he, since he doesn't understand nuances, since he's eager to please, and since he doesn't understand the strategy, his whole tendency is always, it's awfully hard to write the script.

Richardson, who is not on your line, you can control, because he's bright on substance.

Rogers is not right and not meticulous.

But you can do it, not just in European security countries.

You pay a price, but it's a tolerable price.

But the way you speak, I think making it a European security conference, it might just be so hard-line that it's going to be goddamn hard for you to not go any further than we are going to go any further.

It's going to be a security conference.

Mr. President, if we were in an ideal position, if we couldn't,

The Dulles-Eisenhower position was ideal because Dulles was the son of a bitch.

And Eisenhower was the benign guy.

If we could capture Rogers as being harder line than you so that you could get something...

Yes, but that was after the event.

Why don't you try that on this one?

No, I mean on this one.

Tell him ahead of time that's the line he's supposed to take and see what happens.

As I look back, we told him to take our line then.

He carried it so far that he gave up the elevator and honcho.

saying, well, this is the hard line.

He's got to be the hard line.

Also, his conversation with regard to the foreign ministry, the hard line, turned out to be, as we said, a little stupid.

Yeah.

And not hard line at all.

Because he was going to make his hard line on the surface and not in substance.

Of course.

The hard line.

Let me see the fact of the matter.

The state was hoping that China couldn't succeed.

Deep down, I'm not saying that.

I think you're right.

Imagine if this thing had gone flat, no communication, what these guys would have said.

If they were there, it would have screwed up, of course.

Right now, even with all their venom in this sour article, they couldn't point out anything wrong in our foreign policy.

If they could have, they would have.

They would have said that it's due to the fact that we weren't consulted.

If I had a Rodgers, of course, and if I had a strong undersecretary like Pat Gray, I'd be turning that State Department apart to find out who talked to that son of a bitch from the Washington Star.

You can't even blame him.

He's out to do his thing.

He always has to.

So, you know, George Cameron.

Now, I don't think that's what he thought, so to be honest.

Bill Colson says it was somebody who taught him.

Have you ever seen him?

I don't know.

Well, Sheridan, from Sheridan's viewpoint of what material he was working with, Sheridan wrote it of good art.

It wasn't bad.

He was not bad to us.

Because he carried, in that length, they were quotes which were superb.

The bad part, if you understand, the bad part about the German article was that at a moment when

You're lying.

Absolutely at the top of foreign policy.

Nobody's challenging your foreign policy.

You'd have to get a negative article on a stupid issue of bureaucratic prerogatives.

There was not once some smitten person.

They all agree with your foreign policy.

They're just complaining that they are not doing it.

But Sherman couldn't have written that if the State Department bureaucrats had given it to him.

That's what I'm saying.

I know that you always take calls from crime and carnal and all those values.

Not that I can't get it, one thing.

I mean, the star is red by a hell of a lot of people.

I think so.

I think so, too.

And then, not this on the big night, but just sort of talk about it.

Sort of talk around these things.

I think so, too.

You know a little of that.

I'd be glad to think so, too.

You know what?

I've met with a lot of people.

But I don't take phones from the folks anymore.

Oh, I know.

I take calls from the folks, the guys, it's crazy.

I met a German, we might just play a song.

I had to do it again because Mom and Cal said,

He's asked me to give him a date now, and I've been stalking him.

I've been stalking him almost every day.

I need to praise the great ascent presented upon the Deity of the Night that you cannot believe.

I guess what we have to do is all we have to do is have a cigarette.

And it's just cold, blood-thirsty.

But we have a lot of things we don't want to show.

Everything's going to be done.

We just want to build on that basis to get some story.

He's got to come on for the purpose of this, which he will, to talk instructions on me.

And we're dead.

Because I just want some of you to come and speak to me at that time.

And just add fuel to the flame of the day, and the rest.

And on the other hand, I'm interested in talking about some other matters here.

What kind of a show do you have in mind?

What's the purpose of the interview?

That's the kind of thing we've got to find out.

You can't lie to people.

It's not a wish-like market call.

I only want to do something that's helpful to you.

The point is, the point is, we've got to find out.

And if you'll make the deal on the right basis as to what the story is, that's what we'll do.

Well, the ship could have enormous buses, if it goes, if it could be in the right direction, it could, it wouldn't, it could have that.

He is only in the internal plane, if it drives the wrong plane.

The way the China thing, the point is, the way it's sitting, the way the China thing can sit at bases or anywhere together, the thing is, the present time, I mean, the China thing running well is generally not too good an idea to go on something unless you're going to add a new dimension and have it run better.

So the call just wants to feed his guns about it.

Well, now, what about the communicator?

What about the problem with the State Department?

What about that who believes that an average American will turn off his set in 35 minutes or something?

He'll turn them off in about a minute.

But that's the thing I'm concerned about, sir.

I have no interest in this.

I don't know if it helps the administrator.

I feel that I can control it.

I can control it only on the basis of cold-weather talk and comments.

And he just said, well, I'm not going to tell you.

It's not mine.

We'll see you next year.

See?

We cannot do that.

We've turned down the specials.

And all I know is he said they'd give us an hour in prime time.

Yeah.

And he said any network would go for him.

That's right.

Any network he could give, they would bid it for him to give you on.

And he said no, he needed to see it done.

So that's why it's called the hour.

And the question is whether or not the hour is one that will deal with such issues.

that basically are positive for us rather than negative, that will not put you in defense here, or us in defense, not that you were to handle those, and that will not, in other words, create a hell of a lot of stir for the president.

Your analysis is correct.

I integrated these questions about the coverage.

You can be sure that I made some response.

My present comment is you feel that this city is about as well as it could and should accept it.

Bob feels the same way.

And the call thing, I think really gets down to the question.

I think that's right.

It's to our advantage, I think, to re-raise time.

Right.

Again.

Right.

And that's a plus.

There will be a negative on Kissinger going on publicly.

There will be a negative on why the hell will we go on national television for an interview.

with a reporter when he won't come up and talk to the Senate?

I think we've got the relations committee.

Fulbright called me yesterday to tell me how pleased he was with the new arrangement we made, which is still in play.

I think the plus is way out of that.

The Roger State Department problem is not too great.

That's great.

If the program gets away from substance, which is an old story, and gets more into color and things...

There's no way it can get away from substance, in my judgment.

Well, if he spent all of his time on the community... No, I don't think he'll spend much time on... Well, I don't think he'll kill us because... Well, he would kill us because, basically, that is not a subject we want to raise.

We've got that in a good position.

It's not a winner, it's not a loser.

So just leave it right there.

But on the other hand, what is the winner here is the speaker of the trip.

That's the kind of thing that we want you to get into.

And it's been nothing on that app, not one drug yet.

So you've got really a whole new story there.

Well, I think... You're the only man that's there to provide these conversations to the place.

We've been talking about the president's conduct and the conversations he shows around America.

That is, that's really fascinating news to people.

I think one other positive is, apart from the cover, the impression that you know what you're doing and why.

Switch to the average person so that

I don't think one should go into detail with the communicator to convey the impression that this is a very thoughtful, very compassionate administration which can look at the broad perspective

Whenever I talk to public leaders... One thing that he did well with, which is, well, how did the church leave him alone?

A lot of that's lost.

And you could say, yeah, you know, that would totally knock down the idea that it was an accident or the State Department were to go out in Warsaw or something like that, right?

You could have a little bit of a feel of that.

How would it do anything?

But mainly in terms of...

of what they really want to know is that, gee, what happened?

What happened?

You'll know when you talk to these guys.

They're very interested in it.

Yeah.

No.

Of course, they're interested.

But they've been here three years and they don't know what happened.

What happened?

And they don't really get like that.

But I think if it's pure color, then they think it's a tough job.

But if you wrap it into a philosophical thing and then bring in the color as an illustration of it, I think that makes it...

Uh... And, uh...

If you're on an hour in prime time, you ain't talking to people who care or understand anything about philosophical stuff.

They don't understand things in very simple human terms.

That's right.

You're talking about, you're talking about, you're talking about a 95 IQ that is not even prime time.

That's 500 times.

Yeah.

So it's maybe 100 times.

So with that in mind, you've got to make them think it's philosophy.

Oh yeah, I understand that.

Because your stuff is so good, it will be good.

But I think if you're an intelligent audience, you're smart.

You've got to remember your prime time audience is not an intelligent audience.

That's what I mean.

That's why the answers in the press conference, as I let you know, over here in the east, are more desperate than the ones that you hear.

The reason is over there.

You know, just impressions, flashes.

It's very, it's a very quiet thing.

I'm not, and I think if we got a smash here, if he just doesn't go over it, he'll go over the same old thing.

I don't believe, first of all, I don't believe the communique is an issue.

He won't make it an issue because he's for it.

He's been praising it.

Caltech's been praising it as one of the subtlest diplomatic arguments.

So you won't make it an issue.

You won't make it an issue.

I'm not worried about making it an issue, even if it comes up.

I mean, it doesn't matter to us to discuss it anymore.

No, I don't see any sense in it, and most people won't even have read it.

And most people don't really want to hear about it.

But I'm sure you won't raise the community.

What you will raise is the general relationship between the Soviet Union and the United States, if I'm a judge of it.

How did the trip come about?

That is the way.

And I think it's better if I read it in your conduct, the way Clown does it, right?

It's better if he doesn't ask me.

No, you can't ask all the time.

It's better if... You can't find any questions, but you've got to read it.

You've got to get an indication of what time it is.

What can he do?

What's new here, Mark?

Why don't I tell him to deal with Ziegler on the framework of it?

He's asked me, because before the meeting, before the meeting, I told him, you know, I told him that he was very profitable.

I didn't give him a bad indication.

And now he wants me to give him a good indication.

All right.

You can sort of get into the business of what do you have?

What's the substance here?

What's the reality?

Everything you can say about this.

Why is it going to be interesting?

You've got to realize that they've got to go all the way out and see what they were doing in the morning.

And that's what they all do.

That's the equipment that they're seeing right now.

It will.

But you ended up, by honor, with a linen signal that you said to me, right?

And you gave it to me, and you gave it to Rodgers, and so forth, and I am Christ.

As you know, Kennedy was a slave.

But he didn't even know there was a communique.

Oh, but you remember what you said.

I know.

I just thought I'd build him up a bit.

But in my view... No, no, no.

Really, though, Iraq didn't appreciate it.

No.

To avoid Iraq or a State Department problem is not by praising the State so much as it is by Henry's, which he does, making his point that what he's doing, he's doing for the President.

In other words,

There's no justification for me going on crime.

I have to build myself up.

If I go on crime, it must be to build you up and to make clear that I'm acting for you.

that I'm speaking for you and that you are giving the direction.

Do I do anything else?

I don't know.

I don't have a hell of a lot of comments in mind.

I basically just got admired by everybody.

vicious partisan veteran who will do everything he possibly can to not let you get down to anything except for something that will cause a struggle.

I mean, that's just his attitude, you know?

Now, having said that, on the other hand, that kind of a question can allow you to get very engaged, so it doesn't bother me either.

I could go on with him and somebody else.

I couldn't, Mr. President.

It's easier to handle him.

Then how about Kay Smith?

If you get a fatherly guy throwing you up, soft ones, it looks to the audience as if it's a set-up.

And the other argument for Marvin Collin is that Marvin Collin is a smart rat.

And the ratter is a good interviewer because he's a national.

Marvin would be a national.

Rather was ideal, Mr. President.

I mean, that's the, in a sense, on the higher plane, though, than rather.

He won't go cheap, but rather than...

I don't think so.

Because Marvin doesn't look...

He doesn't look bad.

Mm-hmm.

Oh, I...

I think... No.

Because rather doesn't peddle himself as...

He peddles himself as a tough guy.

He peddles himself as a knowledgeable foreign policy.

I think rather was a set-up.

I...

We couldn't have had a better interviewer, couldn't we?

Yes, I agree on this.

So I would actually prefer Cal to say, I don't know.

I agree.

I'm just saying, no.

You know what I think on Cal?

She's got to know what he's up to.

And I don't know whether you've got a chance to get into the stuff that does us good, which is...

When you want to have a brain, you call on it.

Now, the way my purpose in going on here would be to get across the compassion with which you conduct yourself, the overall framework you have that means that you know where you're going and that these things don't just happen by accident.

What does he say he wants to do with the provisionality on China?

No, no, no, no, no.

He wanted to do it in January.

He wants to have a general overview of what's important and why we do it and how we do it.

And then, of course, get right to the track of what we want.

And he actually knows this better.

Although it would be extreme.

And then you could keep his tenets.

You could bring on the stuff that I can solve.

It's coming up.

Then you can do it.

but I could focus on the Soviets coming up and tomorrow.

And I could bring in, I mean, one of the stories, let's say he asked, if he asked me, you know, that story that I came in here in the administration and said to join you, just standing by, and you said,

Is there any decision that I can, that only I can make?

And he said, I said, no, he said, then I don't want to see them until there is such a decision.

I think that would fascinate the people.

And I could bring that in.

He could ask me about the general, I can guarantee that he'll ask a question about decisions.

Oh, that's guaranteed.

And then I can say, now let's just understand how this president operates.

And then, then I could give a lot of stuff.

I think preparation for meetings.

Preparation for meetings.

I'll believe you.

I'll say it wrong.

I think Henry, I think, and I don't believe in what you said.

Bill's wrong.

We're not going to say it, Bill.

by protesting too much that he's in on here and everything.

Right.

I did that in a 10 years meeting, and I felt sort of, I don't remember.

You heard him, right?

Because it's a protest to such an extent.

He asked you to say that the foreign ministers were specific in the protocol of this and so forth.

Well, it was a stupid thing for him to ask.

He should have said what I did.

He didn't want to have any excuses.

I think that Henry doesn't need to go that far either.

I don't mean to put him down, but I think working him in, obviously, it doesn't help him.

He loves it, but it sure doesn't help him.

Well, you led it straight.

I agree.

You agree?

The only way he's going to save himself is by strongly aligning himself to your foreign policy and by implication being a part of this formulation.

That's right.

If he fully had, if he had 100% backed everything, if it weren't the State Department versus White House issue, if he made it, then he'd get full credit for everything that goes on.

The right position for me to take on this program if I do it, or you ask me to do it,

is to say, I don't have an independent existence.

Before I see somebody, I give the president a memo and tell him, this is what I'm going to say, with your approval, and you edit it and mark it up and go over it.

After it's finished, I give you a memo and say, this is what I've said.

Or I may give you a memo.

Or you give me a memo and say, see this man, I want you to do the following.

But there is no independent policy conducted by the existence.

And that happens to be true, isn't it?

I have never seen a senior person in which I didn't come in here first and immediately afterwards.

And I sent you memos on every meeting with Sabrina.

You may not read them in great detail, but you will read them before we go to Moscow.

I know that.

Yeah.

I think it's going to be a buzz.

I might do a vlog.

I talked about this before the prayer.

We were just before this.

And I told the mom, you've got to realize that you've got to buy yourself something before the wash.

And God damn it, the hell with her feelings.

We've got to do what's good for us.

So I want Ziggler to talk to him.

And let's just, Ziggler can give us some feelings of what he, basically the pain services, call them, tell you.

So Ziggler's very clever.

You'll find out what it comes down to.

And it called us not to, it called us, we're going to try to, frankly, not protest, but just basically object to what we're interested in, rather than just crapping around about who they're consuming.

And why don't we do this, and we'll stay, and all that.

So that's our intercourse.

But supposing he says, consuming here is the German kind of service.

Yeah.

The way I would handle that would be not to react to it.

I'd say, let's understand how this president makes decisions in foreign policy.

The end result here isn't who does what, but what are we trying to do?

And then I'd go into how you make decisions.

and give a lot of personal details.

In the context of that, it doesn't make any difference.

I don't think on national television, I ought to debate with foreign service officers.

I could take the position, this is what the president is trying to do.

And

and just rest upon service of the resolve.

I think we ought to, I think about March 27th.

Well, my feeling is to see Henry that we are making here a basic decision.

We take this, which there is a, let's call this, this is what I owe you.

I'm not going to tell you.

So fine, fine.

You'll have to, maybe you'll have to watch and read on it when it comes back.

Thank you.

Where we got a card to play too.

That's a, you must, you want to remember the most negative of the three networks is CBS.

They can push you out of it.

Not on the trip, though.

On the trip, not on the trip, they were the best of three.

Maybe Steve was second, maybe Steve was the worst, but on the time, maybe Steve does a chance for you.

He's much smarter, I understand.

But we, none of them were bad, bad.

CBS was better because they had the best team.

I really got a terrific Buddha out of it.

Well, yeah, he did.

He saw the whole problem.

And even rather than what you'd expect to be this kind of good thunder and stress, I mean, he didn't.

I mean, I wouldn't feel the same if he was carrying it.

But the thing we've got to realize is I don't mean to get into what you particularly have to about this one.

One of the reasons why we can't do something like this is

I just don't like to have Bob in a situation.

Henry did not.

Of course, I didn't care.

I didn't let you know.

I didn't have to tell anybody.

I didn't.

I was the first.

The last three days, I was on the regular services.

We got back from China.

I was on the regular services.

That's one of the ways I'm going to be in the future, too, because I can't believe I didn't read these songs in pre-release.

Why worry about it?

Otherwise, you'd find the law the other day.

But the point is, I don't like to have a new song loaded in any way for the purpose of presenting my view.

I don't want to be loaded against the chorus.

And, uh...

If, for example, as I said on that New Republic article, I'm not sure it should be included in myself.

I don't consider that as important.

I know everybody around here, and I can say here, thanks for this point.

Everybody says, you've got to play a concert.

My people have asked me, Harvey, that you've got to play up society because they can't enjoy so many people.

I agree.

Their influence is a great possession.

And I miss the people who spend too much time with people who are supposed to influence people.

I need to play up to your friends as well as you can.

But I like theirs, of course, that the people you play up to, because of the fact that they have to sell their money, I believe that they are to be drafted.

I want to invite you.

Well, we won't go back to none of our findings on this thing, but we must, uh, we must bear in mind that, uh, in fact, this is, we've got a lot of possibilities on this thing.

We've got to make sure it's relevant.

Now we're going to stay on.

We have an overwhelming positive, but I suppose we've grown about a qualitative change in your position in the country.

In my view, Bob is a better judge of it than I am.

Uh, and...

No one really dares to tackle the foreign policy.

This whole business of tricking is...

They've got to tackle you now, now and then.

Well, that's why they're taking on the... trying to build up the State Department flap and the IT&T flap, all these really... such that they're totally insignificant things because they can't hit us on anything that is significant.

That's right.

I... that's what the trip has really done.

Communicate.

Well, then we had to have a map of what they would have done without it.

Then it would have been a junket that was a total failure.

I really thought he was trying to put up with impossible conditions.

Everything is possible now.

Do you agree?

Well, I think, I may not have seen that deep, but every time he's done something on our own, he would then prove that it was a disaster.

He did it with a present agreement.

Yeah.

He's done it with almost everything that's come along in this litigating, legalistic way.

But my point of the communique is that that was just, it was just needed to cap it.

And a lot of things are going to be happening in the next six months to prove that it led to results.

That little announcement tomorrow is going to be just another step.

Then we can go on from there.

Then they invite Mansfield and invite the House leaders.

This thing is just going to keep going all summer long.

More groups are going to go over there.

But that's not the ultimate achievement.

The ultimate achievement is the turnaround in the basic public attitude that Art Buckwalt can tell me, God help me, but I'm going to vote for him.

Let me hear that.

That's almost unbelievable.

Four weeks ago, he wouldn't have said this under any conceivable circumstance, against any conceivable Democrat.

And that is the real danger.

And in foreign policy, I have no doubt that if we don't blow him up, that by the middle of your second term, this will be seen as one of the historic turning points.

Look, it's seen now, sir.

I think it's seen now.

That's what it's seen now.

I don't blame that for the Russians.

I think it's going to be a major political event of great importance, but not of historic importance.

And then the personal drama here, the China thing.

But the China thing is capped now with a lot of detailed agreements in Moscow.

I think it'd be bad, Mr. President, even if we could find a place in the world where you could have the drama, had another drama at the end of May.

I think...

I want writers to go round and round on the idea that you're a Slavian.

What do you mean?

I mean, do you want to just talk about it and follow up to that idea?

I would just say that it's a bad idea right after Muscat.

It seems to line up the... Well, I don't want to put it this way, but I think in terms of the news workings, the rest of it, I have done to be a Slavian, I've done to remain, and I think I could be given the blow.

And that I don't think it would mean that there would not have been much meaning there.

I think Poland, to say it frankly, or I'm just looking at it in terms of the political situation, for every person of Yugoslavia or Ukrainian descent in the United States, there are 20 Poles.

And Poland should be separated out and done separately.

And they should just handle it that way.

And they should start the, you know what I mean, but just a matter of the arrangements should not be made until after the Moscow summit.

What do you think?

That should be the plan.

But I will not make a grand tour of these European countries.

Because those two won't help us.

The one that would help us next to, or to, or would be interested in that is Czechoslovakia.

But we can't do Czechoslovakia without the students.

Well, your son, he says we're doing just one of them alone anyway, rather than having to do a bunch of other ones.

Bill was coming around, not that he doesn't know.

And Colt, there's a couple of seals in there.

He's going to do me.

I'm going to take some mileage out of that.

So, we're going to be around.

I told him also he could do Colt.

Is he going to come along the way down to the nursery?

No, sir.

He's going to cut off and we'll do... We'll go to the rock.

I agree.

Yeah, I think it's better for you.

Anyway, I need Bill to go to the pole.

It does that.

And if you do the boat that gets you back in Italy and you're back in the doing, you're going to look out in the yard for somewhere on the chart.

Does that bill go through the poll?

I don't know.

It's actually limited to that.

It needs to be back here in the way that you're going to be asking about things.

We've got this final step, this whole ambassadorial thing that we need to get wrapped up, but the plan now is...

It really just means that eventually...

No, no, but what did Tim say?

No, he's playing it out, and I'm thinking about it over, and I decided on the whole minuses of moving him over.

That's what I think.

I still want to talk to Mitch on camera and see what they have in mind.

Well, you talk to them, but I...

but for the cabinet member to come in and say, give me that community, please build me up.

Let me be in charge of Moscow for no other reason than that it builds him up.

Your thoughts?

Of course, he argues that that's to the president's interest, to his person to have these stories out and all that.

But he cares, doesn't he?

So, go ahead.

Germany's military group under the condition that he's reassigned to December.

It's a short-term assignment, if you want.

Is that what we agreed to before?

I don't think I've agreed to it yet, but if that's not the... Is that what we want to do?

That's what I want to do.

I want to show you the proposal.

There's a complex proposal starting in Australia, which is that you put Admiral Ribeiro in Australia.

He retires as Commander of the Soviet Air Force.

And that piece, he's a very restricted, high-level expansioner.

He's a very good man.

I know who he is.

But I have nothing to...

He told me that he wanted to come back.

I heard it yesterday.

They always call him when they need to thank him for coming back and talking to him.

I just wanted to thank you for inviting me.

I thought we'd go down for the rest of the year.

Did you think I did?

No, I heard you talking.

Did you think I did?

I think I did.

Well, actually, the Jack Browns are one of my good friends.

They saved me at the beginning.

It's not about the land.

She went to Beacon before you did.

She went before you.

Tells you how she applied for a job and had a degree and backed up out of this degree and went straight to the store.

I can't get a little back.

It's going to be soon.

Mary knew those things.

I've seen society judge me.

I'm glad they don't see that in the art that she's having.

Everybody has art.

I'm just proud of you and all your other friends.

I hate to be all over again, but if you can't even go to China, you'll have to land down in... No, no, they've been good.

By the way, I didn't hear so many of everybody else.

I'm curious, though.

Yeah.

Anyway, since you know who I am, I won't hurt you anymore.

Well, I didn't talk to her.

Apparently, she's going out to the dark side with you.

She's gone to bed with her lunch inside of the desk because of you.

What are you saying?

You know, those things don't get over the top.

What does that have to do with me?

I wish you could stay.

I wish you got somebody there for you to stay that night or somewhere in New York.

Because I don't.

I could be in Camp David.

I don't know where Lucy is.

I'm going to stay over there.

Who?

Who cries?

She doesn't cry.

She's going to be in the wall or in the presidential suite.

She ought to stay there.

That's a nice place I can think of.

It's been the night.

Well, Julie's the one who walked across the flame and walked back there.

Julie's coming back.

She was coming up and I had to take her out of the cannery.

But I've got a license.

You better tell Tully that he doesn't want her to invite him in.

Because Tully is the one who invites him in.

I don't know if she's the rightest anybody for this.

I don't understand that.

That's what I truly got.

Well, I was surprised it hadn't happened.

But I think it's going to be here probably longer, a couple of weeks.

I swear to you, these are the ones that are coming.

My God, I haven't been able to afford it very last week.

But then I have perfectly.

I just have to have more of her.

But you know, it's over.

I'm going to go to House Randall this past year.

I'm going to go to House Randall.

No, sir.

I didn't do that.

I'll rather be better.

We did that.

That's really an interview.

She's planning to stay for now, so it's easy to get done.

I'll talk about them in a minute.

We'll take you to the runway for a couple days.

Wait until you can go first.

Yeah.

The problem is that you've got to be here on the 21st.

You've got to be here on the 28th.

That's the right version.

Yeah.

Well, open up that, uh, I want to point you to open up that other, uh, I can't move it to sell it anymore.

Now, we have, uh, is there any other facility around here?

No, but everyone was checked into it.

It's hard to find.

Is there any other facility out here?

There's one on the east shore or someplace that you could go to.

Yeah, I'm serious about this, but it doesn't have any privacy.

All right, I'm going to go there.

When was it?

It's Hawaii, right?

I don't know.

Check that out.

It's Hawaii?

Yeah.

Well, it sounds like a big problem.

I agree with you.

I'm in a position where I don't know.

I don't know.

I'm sitting around, you know, so I'll be here.

I've got my little old set.

He's going to give me an interview.

So, you know, I'll be there.

I'll have the light in your basement.

Well, I mean, this is horrible, but it makes me feel like I'm in a big conference now.

Take a look at it.

Do you watch?

Are you all staying in touch with her now?

I don't know.

I don't know if you can't do it.

It's hard to tell.

I'm sure she's bled her pants out from all that phone call and all that stuff.

I'm sure she's gotten that all off her system.

She's forced her way back by now.

Good.

I'm sure that's the case.

She's got to stay out of your house.

Right.

Well, anyway, we won't bother us.

The myelopneumon will be safe no matter what.

Another thing I could do is get her to go to Florida for a few days.

That would be the best thing.

That would be the best thing to do.

I think we ought to go.

I think Pat could go to Florida for a few days.

She's always wanted to go.

She's married.

Where did he, why did he put that chain?

What if he won't count again?

You're kidding.

Did you know that he had a secretary that checks off his Christmas cards?

This is the first time in 20 years that he grounds his second Christmas card.

I don't know who they are.

I just wanted you to be alert.

No, I didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything.

I called.

She told me.

No, I didn't want to ask that question, but I've had enough right there.

Well, then it's only going to get worse and worse.

She goes out and spends her time with the lame men and they're going back.

That's what we need.

Because I can't see it.

I cannot.

I can't.

I mean, we've got to vote.

We've got to vote.

The first thing you're going to do is you should go up to Camp David's.

Right.

They can plan what you're going to pick up.

If Helena and Pat come on Saturday night, you can get on the same helicopter and come back.

The first is to find out about all that data.

That's right.

So I had to go up to the helicopter home and have that lighted gun.

Yeah, he makes a lot.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I guess he had another one and he needed it.

I didn't need it then.

But I just started off in San Julio the day that I got here.

Of course.

So I got a million to go in the helicopter right now.

Oh, that's not that good.

We'll make time for it.

We just pick him up at Andrews and run him around.

All right, fine.

If they want to come, have them come.

But I think what I will do is go up and pee in there.

You can go up the porch and do that.

No, I have to go to the parking lot.

Go to the parking lot.

Let it be known to me.

It's going to be very obvious.

He knows you don't want to run.

Pat knows you don't want to run.

Set that up.

I'm going back down.

Then that gives me the thing.

And then once you go back into it, I've got the ground on the plate now.

How would you go?

It'll hit Jack or Pierce.

Oh.

Or if the lane starts pushing up, it'll hit the lane again.

I'll call Jack.

I'll say, Jack, I talked to you about this before.

I'm going to talk to you about it again.

If you want to cost us the election, if you want to drive this guy out of his mind, if you want to screw all this stuff up, then go right ahead and do it.

All right.

But just understand what you're doing and that the price is, you know, the blow is on your hands.

I got to get your goddamn wife out of here.

I don't care what it costs you to do it, it's how you do it.

All right.

The other thing is that when she's here a few days, she'll start, you know, just starting to know how to pack her clothes right.

That's how you can grow up.

Now, because she didn't use it, but now she's got to pack her clothes right.

But what's happened to her down there for a few days today?

She's got to be calm.

And I can never forget a time of the Middle East crisis.

You and I wanted to walk along the beach.

And you walked away, and I've never seen such an incendiary performance.

And I was following you around.

You practically waved him off, saying you had to talk to me.

Then he was waiting at the beach while you were coming back and jumped you again.

And it's this constant...

It's none of my business, but the inclusiveness...

And I feel you... She's one of the most, I think they're the most insensitive people I've ever met.

Yeah, I think, but you're on the left side.

You ought to be left alone.

Not yet.

I hate her.

They dumped everything on me.

I'll never forget it.

She became my friend.

I think if I were an intimate friend, I wouldn't be an intimate boy.

I was in an election year just back from China for two years.

No, I didn't know what I should be here for now on.

Really, Jackie, but Jackie's a subject.

I'm not even talking to you.

For now on, I have got to have peace of mind.

I can't do it.

Well, you can, but I can't do it.

Oh, alright.

You know what happens, though?

Now, then, it counts as, uh, I have to give you, I have to press it, or otherwise I can't get out of the car.

You get pounced on.

I know, I read it there.

You get pounced on.

She's right between, like, the food room and your bedroom.

She's right between, like

Incidentally.

Which I think will change the future.

The administrator has to pass a birthday, and you'll have to participate in one of those activities.

I hope so.

and they're going to pacify the Navy.

on that, but if you don't want to do that, then you're going to have to do this.

Well, the problem is, I don't know if you can see from sound.

For the Army?

For the Army.

All right.

I've talked to David this morning about making aid by the sea.

Laird maintains he doesn't want it, but I have been told not to.

But I have to go through this ritual of letting him say, you talked to Eric, I asked him.

He said the nation made five cheats, Abrams should be made chief.

I think it would be a terrible mistake.

Abrams drank too much now.

He screwed up the Lava Tundra and he's too old.

Right.

Well, what do you want to hear from Abrams?

Well, he could simply trade David.

No, another possibility is if we bring David back from Europe to make him chief of staff, we could send Abrams to Europe.

Under, under, as head of the American forces in Europe, couldn't that, that it was Jack Hewitt and Abrams would be head of the Senate Army, whatever that is over there?

Oh, no, he doesn't know how.

He's delivering too much, and... Oh, no, no, no, couldn't that just say it's where he is?

And then commands the American forces.

He says things that we already know.

Yeah.

Particularly page where they don't give it.

All right.

That's a good deal.

Well, then we don't have to do anything.

We're back.

All right.

And I'm prepared.

I don't see the reason.

This was only to give the Navy, as I understand it, it was only to give the Navy.

They had made a bid to regard us ambassadors.

Thank you.

He has a conflict of interest problem with the pay to police service of the 70% of the company there.

Yes, sir.

Well, they have paid for them all, also.

Or he decided not to.

He decided not to.

Plenty of things were out on our line stopping him from working.

Why?

Because it's a fairly important post, and maybe it's getting not really up to him.

What the hell, a plane that doesn't have a stand?

No.

Or, I mean, a log stand.

Not a U.S. ambassador to a post that's not going to be able to do a man-to-queue protocol.

Now, he says, why not operate one, give him a, you know, sunshine post.

Well, or the Caribbean.

I mean, it doesn't mean he's an ambassador, but, you know, from Jamaica, you've got a problem here.

The new prime minister is going to nationalize the box office.

I don't know how many people are upset.

I should agree.

But Daryl, he says he's bought off the new prime minister, too.

So we'll see what happens.

I think the flag on the other side of the road is two lines of push.

Well, I think there's something trying to do with it.

There's a gun on the other side of the road.

See, when I skipped the road, I replied, so we're back to getting somebody frustrated.

Well, I don't mind.

It's okay.

He's alive.

He was.

But if you're looking for an ambassador for Australia, I don't think we can get Mark Lillard.

Well, we can.

We can.

This is all done for this other building.

Thank you.

I like it.

There's something about that.

Okay, absolutely.

And I think, primarily, I think, for the Army, the best team would be Davidson, and Ed, perhaps, would play an action.

And, please, we're going to call on to the U.N. Yeah.

Yeah.

And now the recommendation is to put William Miller in there.

You would have booted him for Australia, but we can get rid of him in Sweden in that case.

That's a good point.

And then we're going to be recommending Walker while we can.

Really?

Yeah.

So that we can get back to Dr. Walker.

If he declines, then he's suggesting we match Dr. Brimmer to get him out of the Fed.

I'm rehearsing.

We're rehearsing.

We don't know why they did that.

And I think Blake was there for a long time.

But both of them declined.

He said he didn't know why he went to Florida.

He said, I don't care.

He said, I'm sure he's right.

OK.

Which I think is why he had to bring her out to the parade.

It's a hell of a lot more important to get the body of the can out of our ear.

OK. And the body of the can is too bad.

OK.

Why not awkwardly suppose?

I don't know.

I don't know if you know him.

He's a big hitter, a loving guy.

And, uh, he was born in Washington, D.C. And he was married to his brother.

And he was loved at both times.

How did he do that?

I didn't know him yet, man.

I thought, uh, that Rupert was a hell of a bummer.

He had rather dissonant, black swans.

The other side of that is if you don't give a fuck about anything, then you're tired.

And then it's not what you have to feel like until a later time.

It's not what you have to feel like until a later time.

I think there are also Swedish-Portuguese problems.

If you speak Spanish, you speak Russian.

You understand?

You may not be able to speak it, but you understand.

Listen, can I suggest this?

I think why they did, why they did torture, why not?

Is that why they did it?

Is that right?

You know, I've been deterred, but I've been beaten.

But what does that mean, though?

Yeah.

I think he has to get out of Cambodia.

He's screwing that up.

We're offering to run.

Good.

Please don't raise it with me.

I've done it.

Alas, that's it.

These monitors are working.

It's really the only thing that Father would be good at, day and night.

We're looking for a non-career type.

That's the solution to it.

I think you could put a career in there.

Yeah.

I don't think that's it, I'm sure.

It is a long way down.

You know, I think that it's not going to take much.

It's not going to take much.

That's a career.

That's a good, strong, young man.

You don't jump on a good song on a career track or live chat.

Okay.

The other question is whether you want to see him in the next year.

No, I don't know why I've seen him in the next year.

You'll probably need to recognize it.

It's just not going to be a face-to-face interview.

It's not going to happen again.

It is.

I know it is.

It's like an association of 1,000 people that an appointment with you is very difficult.

Is there anything both of you can't manage that you can't get by?

What about going?

About going down the hill or something like that?

No.

Why not, sir?

Well, if you don't make it here, you're going down.

There's nothing you can do.

There's no way you're going to get it.

Well, then how about the end?

But in the name of God, really, should I say what I mean?

He hasn't stepped up, you know, in the example of any of this.

No, he hasn't stepped up in the example of any of this.

But I mean, what do you think?

Did he step up in all of Israel?

Did he step up in Israel?

Did he step up in this and that?

When has he stepped up on anything?

Are you telling me?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

He has just, he has just, he can just say there's something he turned on to remind you for an extra day.

He turned it on, right?

And the reason is...

They have to concentrate on foreign policy.

I mean, on domestic policy.

We're on busing.

We're on social security.

We're on welfare reform.

We're on pensions and better lives.

And it's just all absolutely true.

I've got to be honest with you.

I might be able to be honest with you on foreign policy stuff.

I'm thinking of going for a week between the 19th and 26th.

That would be kind of special.

We are traveling.

That might be the best because then after that... No.

You'll be on the 6th.

19 to 26.

I'm sorry.

I think you're going to do your program.

You're going to come back and do your program.

And here's how I'm going to do it.

Oh, I have to get back to you.

You're going to get back to me again.

What can I say?

They can't do this.

Why?

Why does that happen?

Because I'm going to get back to you.

No, no, let me say it.

I'm always going to borrow the action today.

I'm going to get back to you.

You'll do it.

And then when I come back, I'm going to have a meeting with the Foreign Relations Committee and the Foreign Affairs Committee.

And then, let's keep your schedule loose.

And then, I'm going to get out of here early.

I have a quick question.

Gold magazine is a turning point to keep yourself from getting paid.

But then, if you like, go to Japan and find a good city.

The way that you have that figured out is simple.

Leave a leave in California and go to the States.

The States.

Uh, you were the printer on the night.

Thank you.

You were not out then.

That's what I mean.

Two, three, four, five.

Our call was to go to Canada on the 13th.

It was actually, I don't know, it might have been 11 or 16 plus, but we're trying to work out, and they're working on it now.

It's Canada.

We were kind of shuffled.

I didn't know they had some questions.

When are the 14th?

It may have to be the 14th.

All right.

Then go to Canada on the 11th.

The 13th.

Go to the morning of the 13th.

I'll give you the afternoon.

Thank you.

You go, you go, you see, you, I'm going west here, and then you're heading out on the good way, and then you go on from there, too.

And then you go to Japan, and then you go to Paris, and then you go to Paris, and then you go to Paris.

My daughter, you don't think you ought to cry.

They put them on for 15.

Maybe there's something to say to get the goddamn thing over with.

My daughter, what's up?

I'm very glad you didn't put it on for 20 seconds.

I'm not going to perish.

I'd like to go to Paris.

See, you know, you've got some time problems and all the rest.

It is, uh, on the weekend of the 27th, and there'll be a bandage of, uh, conference in Europe.

In front of me, but I couldn't answer that.

I couldn't answer it.

Which would be a good cover.

I can't.

Do whatever you want.

But I can see you.

No.

Because of the good troop announcement, really, in my view, should be put after that.

See, the North Vietnamese just said,

But you should only do one month anyway.

I know.

I'm just saying.

It would be devastating, a group announcement, until after the 22nd, because of you.

I live very short of time.

Well, you'll certainly look at it, and I will see you again.

Also, I'm not with you anymore.

After a while.

That will be noticed.

I know we shouldn't do it on the 15th.

Because we shouldn't do it on the day they say it, after they cancel it.

Huh?

Because?

And we shouldn't do it on the 17th, right?

Well, he doesn't think that much shit is going through the house.

That's a lie, isn't it?

That is a lie.

Huh.

Well, if it's just one month, you can do it before.

Well, if it's just one month, it's just half way to say that the... You do it for just one month at all?

Just take a stroll.

We do it very...

I'm not saying it.

See, I don't want to say anything out of you.

We could say that from now on, we'll just make a routine announcement every month of what's going on.

We'll make a routine announcement every month.

All right, fine.

Then that leaves you free to do it the other way if you want.

I think it's a little better.

It's a better cover.

All right.

Also, there are a lot of people who think, as long as I'm in trouble, they could help you.

If I measure the night of people, that would give me a great cover.

The way I would do it is go to the conference, leave the conference going until the evening.

I got a paper plane from England.

What is it?

Now, Bob, that puppy was raised by Roger, don't you remember?

He said he heard it when he was going to Mayo.

He raised it when he thought about that with you and I. Yeah, it was once golden.

Once golden.

And you said you were going to Mayo.

No, I was old loves.

Yeah, you remember that's what I was reading about.

I'm not sure that's a good idea in the region, but I mean, by race or something.

But my point is, I think our European relations are not as important as our relations here at this time.

And that's exactly the point.

And you're going to go over and talk to our Negro people before that.

I think you should go to the Brussels thing, by all means.

And I think the Negro thing, it's not worth raising hell on that.

And it's not worth your time, Ian.

I don't have time.

What I would do, what I would do is not have to do it.

I would suggest I have a private interview with Munch.

That would be very good.

But I might just want to do something for the people that run this line.

The people that have a private line work here and there in Brussels.

And he has a private lunch to do.

And he might fight, but he should not fight at all.

And the other point is,

Is Kenny, is he ever gone again?

No, but he lives in the next few days.

He's gone.

I haven't.

I can't do this on him.

I don't know where he was.

Oh, yeah, and he's accepted, but we were gathered at Conway.

So I had gone away to Conway, and Mattie had grabbed a piece of paper, and I gave it to him, and he said, it's got to be that or nothing, and he's accepted it.

So, uh, so we've gotten to a reception.

That's after the meeting.

I will probably see you in person.

Any other things you see me and Maureen want, we want to divide that into domestic and other things.

Any other questions?

You could give it the hardest time you can.

I told you you can't say a word about the Russian gang, you know.

Yeah, the Russian-Chinese thing.

You don't have to go to the top.

You can get a nap out of that.

No, no, no.

I explained that, you know, if you understand this.

No, I didn't do that.

That's it.

All right.

It's really hard to tell these things in my mind, but you will remember them from your mind.

I'm not going to name them.

But that's something.

I'm talking about how you look.

Okay, he doesn't need to spray it on the other hand.

He can either fly it around for just a squeeze and then we've got him.

No, he can't.

I'm too great for him.

But he sees that they're not on a great side issue.

I'm glad you're alone so there's no problem with this.

Chugs came up with an interesting thing today.

He did have some sessions with Conley Hanson and going through things with George and analyzing all of this.

He said that he's come up with an inclusion that he doesn't think we'd realize, maybe, that we're going to give some thought to.

And that is that

The economy has a different point of view, a different basis.

We're approaching politics and political questions, and we do operation over here, and we deal and work on the grounds that we get a problem.

Sometimes the polls show that we've got a problem with something, or if we get an attack on something, or if we get a block on something.

Well, this is a two-weeks time.

You know, they're good.

We work to make sure that they're played and all that.

If they're bad, we work to kind of cover them up.

And the fact that we worry about unemployment benefits, which is triggered by the levels, is going to go off now because unemployment in a lot of the triggered places are going below the 4.5 and that automatically turns off the benefits.

So we usually would make something out of it.

The company thinks it's a mistake to worry about the bits and pieces, and that we overreact and worry too much about that every month.

The issue is that the overall thing is going our way, and if it is, we should just let it go.

We shouldn't work on each little thing.

If we're too antsy, then we should stick with our program independently.

rather than tacking to the shifting winds.

For instance, we have a program on the elderly.

We have a program on the clinic.

We have a program on inflation.

We should stick to it and ignore the other guys, brush off the attacks.

And George sort of has a revelation looking at this that really kindly looks at the basis of the totally different way that we do.

And that's why he comes up with a different conclusion as to the tactics than we do.

And he says that he probably really is very concerned about our overreaction and he thinks we need more of a painless stability and confidence.

rather than doing overreaction on a short-term kind of basis, which maybe, well, I guess what I thought was that Conley's political experience as a Democratic politician, when he was in Washington, he was in the Kennedy administration.

When he was in Texas, he was in his own administration.

And when he was in Washington in the early days, he was with Lyndon Johnson at a time when Lyndon Johnson was running high.

He, therefore, as a Democratic politician, has a luxury of being able to do that because when he does something good, the press builds it up.

When he does something bad, the press ignores him.

We have just the opposite.

So we, I'm not sure we even afford to approach him the way he does.

We did at the start of this.

We didn't get any money out of anything that we did wrong.

The idea that just do well, everybody gets credit.

It doesn't happen.

Now, I think probably we've overreacted to our problem.

on individual instances, partly because we start pushing something and nothing happens, so we push harder.

And by the time we push really hard, the results of our first push start showing we aren't, we don't develop enough.

But I'm not sure Conley's view is right for us.

I'm not sure we can work the way he wants to.

He thinks we should.

His is no consistent either, because he's a great one for super action.

They do that.

They do something.

I don't like to get into politics because of the...

In fact, you know, it's the old story.

You must never ask a politician for his advice unless you're prepared to take it.

And that's why I have a few times to go over there and have a talk with him and see what the hell's going on there.

So, hi, can you laugh better?

Now, you want me to say that I am?

I don't need it by 6.30, so I thought it would be better if he'd also, you know.

Yeah.

I mean, he probably would have seen these people on the school day, you see.

Yeah.

But tell me, how does it feel?

How did your deal go yesterday?

How does the court carry it out?

We got a little time.

How about the young Republicans?

How about us?

I mean, you read a lot of the news.

Good.

Because they, they take my hand and they pick it up at that time.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

You're absolutely right.

Right.

Yeah.

Well, I hope, yes, I hope that you can get the, uh, you can do more of these things.

Because, you know, I'm not going to be able to do a lot of them.

And I think that you and your mother and your son, Julie, and that takes care of it.

You are marvelous.

Marvelous.

Each individual segment.

Never go, never go with anybody.

You just go with individuals, you see.

Are you free to have it?

Yeah.

That's right.

Going forward.

That's right.

Great, great, great.

That's what we want to carry.

We don't want the blue.

I'm curious.

Right.

Great idea.

No, it was very good.

Yeah.

No, I'd do it.

I think it's an excellent idea.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'd do it, but I think it's an excellent idea.

Very subtle.

Yeah, very subtle.

Do it, do it.

Yeah.

No, I'll be here for dinner tonight, then I'll go to Camp David tomorrow.

Sure, sure.

We'll work it out.

I'm fine, I'm fine.

I should be here to fuck her tonight.

Oh, good.

She's jealous.

Absolutely.

I think we'll work it out.

They're so, they've got their own celebrity, how do you... How do you... How do you... How do you... How do you... How do you... How do you... How do you...

Well, especially this, because these are all lobbyists.

They're not Republicans.

They're not atheists.

They're not.

A guy like John Rollins buys a table because he has to, because he gives it to the society.

And, uh, and so it is.

Now our real, our own fundraising centers tend to be more enthusiastic than these do because they are our people.

These aren't our people.

You know, as you pointed out, you get a lot of Democrats in these centers.

People who have been fortunate enough to buy tickets.

This is reasonable.

Remember how we were so real when we did the endorsement of the gunman?

Oh, God, remember what a degrading process that is.

I just remember he came up onto it.

I mean, I'm not going to change my decision in order to be able to do that.

I mean, you buy your subject.

Yes, sir.

You can have a good and a strong one.

I mean, don't tell on the election.

Don't tell on the Iowa.

I feel that we, nobody has, the only argument that was made at any point for you going was for good old, uh, Pope.

And, uh, that's clear now.

He's being invited to the, you know, Aaron dinner or something like that, you know.

And it's, nobody, like, even Bonnie has covered it.

You should, uh, Andrew, get back to work.

You should have selected it.

Can I hold you?

I don't know how to call him, but I'm trying to approach him.

Can I hold you and work it out with you?

Because I'm going to tell the woman.

And we're going to take it from the man's side.

Well, maybe we ought to work it.

He comes out on the end and does.

Yeah.

But he doesn't want to go to prison.

I know, but he just has to.

He doesn't have to do any bad.

I think he ought to be there.

As a matter of fact, we can't get the B-team to go shit and respond to the totals.

A lot of people aren't going to get a beer after the show.

I guess none of the Democratic candidates are going, or some of them, the key ones are.

Because of the women's lib business, which is really ironic.

It's a great idea to invite women this year for the first time.

Yeah, they're giving in to women's lib.

They don't want them to be invited currently.

They have invited a half a dozen or a dozen women.

That's just silly.

It sure is.

But then some of the Democrats are boycotting that.

The women's lib is still mad at them because they aren't inviting enough women.

They're not an equal number or something.

So the Democrats are not going to go in order to show their support of women's lives or something.

A couple of them did go last year for the same reason.

I think that's a similar picture.

Of course it is.

What would you think if you were the one to think we have a backup?

I think we would be.

I assume she would be also.

She can't do it.

I don't know if she can.

That isn't that important either.

If I can do an order, that's fine.

I just want you to issue an order regarding this.

This is what I expect you to do.

And I mean, it's not a bad process.

It's a good one.

I wish you an order.

I wish you success in writing these three guidelines.

I wish you success in listening to these three guidelines.

I really just want to thank you for providing that knowledge.

I mean, right now, I'll say that I just want you to make sure that I'm having sessions with the person we are.

I mean, just so I don't get you charging people, but we're in fact doing, we're doing a good job of it, so that we can do a lot of substantive things.

I see what I said.

What he really wants.

He doesn't want you to worry about him.

He wants you up there to be with him.

He wants you up there to be in charge of him.

That's it.

I'm calling the shots.

I can't do that.

I also don't think this is a good thing.

I mean, it's just real.

I also don't think he knows what's up.

I don't know what he's doing.

Therefore, please charge this parent, charge this parent, this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one, and this one,

I did two of them and see how she was doing.

I think Scott's got to work with Ron, and then just have Ron do it, and Ron ought to work it out with Scott first.

And then have Ron go on that basis.

I think it does.

I can sit down and talk with him about that too.

to the point of what we were talking about in here, just to expand on it.

Because I hope at the start that he just, he did a superb job in here.

But anything that does that to you, you've got to realize that it's a topic.

He just said it in his letter.

Just the way he works, people are different, you know.

And not about any other compassionate foreign policy.

That doesn't make sense.

I don't know what it means to him, but it is...

You've got to set it as the main principle, as the man that has the highest knowledge.

I'm not going to write all this stuff, so I don't need any notes.

But as a man with an understanding of the people talking to you, the people you're talking to, the experience, knowledge, depth, and so forth, and that you don't have to stop and tell.

And, of course, alertness and homework and all that sort of thing.

and the ability to build great personal rapport inspired trust for him.

So he was, these people had their love, and this is true.

He goes on beyond that, but it's very important that you have personal rapport, and that you go along with it.

And Churchill, he decided that he was vice president of the United States.

And with the leaders around the world, this is a lot of money in the bank for the United States, but that in honor.

I think this is quite interesting.

I'm sure that you and I are going to get a lot of stuff.

And if you plan to have any of these events, as long as you can make, then we'll be watching to see how you think of them.

Because what do you really need?

For us to be able to get all that we want, where we're good.

And when you represent doctors to, just to get up on a high plane, close-up, and when you get there, you're going to have to be willing to make a comment whenever you make it.

And that doesn't help us one thing.

Especially not in this kind of situation.

Most people think they're already in Detroit, and think we're all floating into it.

Can you get that across to you?

Which is the greatest part of the environment is not necessarily to be a given fact, but certainly part of the dynamic.

And it might be exactly the opposite, which is an issue we have to watch out for.

And that's not what we're going to do.

We're going to respond to others.

And I'm gonna take this back this time, all right?

And just hold it up so that I can begin to work.

And I ain't working again, see?

There were periods of time, I have to say that, that all of us humorous and not first.

I was very impressed.

Really impressed.

And you had a lot of reactivity, quite a reaction.

Here she is.

I've got a question now.

I was watching a session you were still in.

Thank you.