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How are you?

I don't know what you're talking about.

One of them was the CEO of that city.

And you've got a strong grip?

Yes, sir.

Strong grip, strong grip.

Okay, so that's what everybody says.

What do you got in your hand?

Is that a pistol?

No, no, no.

I'm hoping that I have one of your pencils.

Oh, yeah.

He said I don't do this sort of trick right now before he says it.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Good.

Yeah.

No, I'm going to tell you that one.

You don't need to give anything to anybody.

You just, you know, they know you.

I see you have a photographer here.

Oh, absolutely.

Now, let's do that.

Now, listen, I'm going to try and not get a profile.

Yes, sir.

Good to see you again.

We're gonna make it a little reason we're close because I know our target is to, they drafted me long enough to turn.

They need to go back and draft me.

They don't want to punch me.

They need to go back.

You got another one?

No, I promised 15, but I couldn't see it.

I did it for radio, I mean telephone.

Yes, the church, the auditorium, 12,000, and we've got the theater, 3,000.

We had about pretty close to 7,000 outside.

We anticipated such a meeting, so we set up that.

Outside, it was a madness meeting, and it was all so definite.

That's what I understand.

Yeah, we had a little time getting that through, remember?

Yeah, we had a little bit.

Yeah, one thing, we were so nervous that the man operating was going to get through.

Well, Tommy, how do you get along with all your prima donnas?

It's a terrible situation we have there.

I don't know how we could run this country without you and George Mayotte just in here.

I don't know how we could do it.

You have more trouble with the Republicans than the Democrats.

I guess the Republicans are with you more than the Democrats.

I have more trouble with the Republicans than the Democrats.

My trouble, of course, then, from Mr. Fulbright and Mr. Elder and Mr. Frostmire, I don't know, just the micro-fractures there.

But if you do your homework, you don't have too much trouble.

Yeah, well, if you know more than they do about it, that's the whole trick.

It's still a mighty trouble if they've got these smart young guys working for them.

Well, I don't know.

I can't comment.

What can you do on the security assistance?

Can you save them for us?

Yes, I want to make an observation and give you some facts.

Right.

You stop that kicking out when you're ready.

All right.

Only one other man in Washington knows this, it's Barrett Goldwater.

I called Barrett Goldwater several years ago and asked if he would come to my station for a third party address on 33... Oh yeah, Barrett Goldwater.

So Barrett was sent to John Rosewood Island.

You know, I was a Republican race, Republican in the last four years, and I changed my party affiliation because

I couldn't run for public office.

We didn't have a Republican.

He was never so glad to vote for her.

I'm not a Democrat.

I'm not ugly about my party because I'm a member of the Democratic Party because there's only really one party in the state of Louisiana.

I have nothing to sell.

I don't want to buy anything.

But I'd like you to appreciate my position better to know that background, that I've only voted Democratic twice in my life, in the National Elections.

I'm historically Republican.

They get pretty liberal, too, you know.

And I might as well be in proud of my own party.

I don't know some of these birds on the hill, Pete, opposed to you.

So I'm not a renegade.

And I won't be one of these hell-brained persons to know that I supported you the first time for Christmas towards the last time, and I'm supporting you this time, and I mean enthusiastically, but I'm not doing it in such a way to be classed, you understand, or radical.

I'm doing it the right way.

And usually, my people follow me pretty closely.

I'm not coming in and making a fool of myself.

Now, I don't embrace all of your policy.

You know that.

You're asking policy.

I, ooh, gee, I get so angry sometimes.

I'm at war with my father-in-law and my friend.

But it's something we do without answering your question.

As you well know, I say, I didn't do anything.

We, this is your full year of support and assistance for the Miami military, because we had facts.

And I had the face on the other side of me.

and not so sleep these same Jews on the ground.

Now, Mr. Gold on my side was Levin Zeebo, on the foot of his I-61 right now.

So we had him outgunned because he had, he had been inflexible.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, I keep saying my word, or my offering, that I am going to pull out your supportive citizens

And I'm going to put out your literary program, your statistics program.

I had to work very closely with John Hanna.

You know, he's a delight.

He's one of the most terrific men that I've ever dealt with in my life.

He's an old horse trader.

He puts it on the line.

Mr. Chairman, we're just asking price, but taking price.

Let's get along with hearings.

And if you're asking price, we'll be open to decide on taking price.

Sure, you're welcome.

I said, no, no, John Hannon, no, no, John Hannon, if he fired him, I'd give him the chair.

He's the only man I've ever been able to work with.

And we get along on everything.

It's both terrific, and I'd say the same thing, the courage that he would have worked with.

He is wide awake and aggressive.

So fortunately, I have tested people I've worked with.

Now, I apologize for sounding off.

I'm greatly concerned, Mr. President, about two things.

We came to Congress together 26 years ago.

I've never been a foreign aid enthusiast.

I'm greatly worried about multilateral foreign aid.

You have some people in the Congress who are determined that they will destroy 5908 or 7248.

Let me just say this before you go on so that you'll know our feeling.

One day,

If you have not done so, then I can't agree with this particular ranking.

I want you to express your concern about that to Connolly.

Connolly, you see, sits in the driver's seat.

He is exactly the same way.

I might overstate it and have to do it, but the second point is we're concerned about all that thing.

Now, the point is, though, and I notice whenever you get to your list, I see all those things in that slide.

But the point that I make is, Otto,

It's not only making the case, but it's also

It's also getting the Congress to do enough in other areas.

You know, if you're going to do it, you've got to do it one way or the other.

And in the multilateral field, we have to be sure that since we put up so much money, we've got to have more to say with how the money's spent.

Isn't that your concern?

I mean, we put up all that money, and they spend it any way they please.

It's worse than that, Mr. President.

Better agree with the states.

This will make sure development long-term.

Which I think, I don't know, Tom, I should develop a loan for 100,000, I'm delayed.

Oh, this account, this whole country, I don't know, we're up to date on possibly one stock.

Even the country book of diplomatic relationship, our country is still paying their development loans.

It's coming back in.

So it's coming back.

Now let's look at just one statement of your mother.

I believe that is your item in the National Development Association.

This started off many years ago.

They wanted 180 million, three $60 installments.

I touched about that, but we went along with them and didn't cut it.

We gave them three $60 million installments today.

Therein, the total amount they're asking for item is a median of $656 million, I believe.

But I want to get the right ones.

I'm going to leave this with you.

So actually, they're up to $320 million a year.

and asking this year for a supplemental out to go to the year that's coming to them now, plus $321.03 to $604 million as compared to six of the previous.

Now, what do you have here?

I'm going to leave the term 50 years, no interest.

Three-quarters of one percent are no interest at any time.

Terms, 10-year grace period, no repayment at all.

In subsequent 10 years, one percent per year.

So at the end of the 20 years, if they keep their installments, they will return 10 percent for the right of cancellation.

comes back and nothing, no prediction for any of it to ever come back into the U.S. Treasury.

Now, the Asian Development Bank, the same thing.

It goes out, no prediction for anything to come back in American Development Bank.

So I'm writing to these people.

I thought you were going to throw me out on the head.

I've been given these people.

I'm sure to tell on this much, but I am determined to cut it.

And I've insisted that these people not go out and give us these entanglements until we have had an opportunity

to look this thing over.

Of course, they always say this is a breakfast program.

We're a great band with that.

They don't have all the answers.

And so, less reverses if we can because then we complete control.

We know not when the project is funded, in what country, and in what amount.

It's just, we have no other detail in town.

It's just fine check.

I'm not overstating the case.

On your other program,

There's nothing that you would ask for that I won't fight for, and I'll do so in such a way that I'll be successful.

You can just rest your case that I'm going to fight for your supporting assistance and your military assistance program because I'm very committed to what you're doing, including the Vietnam War, only a fool would admit that, and I look into quite a few fools.

Yes, I'm one of their dancers, because he's working for that, but I'm looking for you to do anything.

cost us 17 years, and we're down to some 43,000 over the five years old, you're going to reduce the cost to about a billion one.

It's only going to cost about a billion five, so the net cost is 400 million.

Now, I don't care what Mr. Fulbright and Mr. Bruck are, these people do.

If they don't have authorization that will block me, you can just get all the vouchers before they're sued.

You're going to call the shots.

That's confidential.

Tell me what you want.

That's what you're going to get.

Now, there's just two areas that I'm going to raise hell in, and that's Marshall Island and the police.

I don't want to say anything.

You have a very fine young man.

I don't like him very much.

But this good life is right.

I don't say anything.

I'm sharing it with you.

This thing has cost over a billion dollars.

Over a billion, 61 billion dollars is what that thing cost.

How do you like this?

They have 10, Ron, 14 countries.

There is reason.

Get out.

Oh, yes, they have.

and they've been asked to leave for different reasons.

Fourteen countries, now this is this, not one by-law or technical aid employee has ever been asked to leave the country, even if they break off.

And they have never known what they needed.

This is the key factor.

But not to mention the social fact that you'll send a job for one of the other.

What are you going to do about it?

Here's what I did on the East Coast.

I want to be fair with these people.

The racial place was put up in 72 last year.

And I was 50 to the job before I would have given them any more than a 72.

As such, one day they came back.

Well, I say you violated every law in this tax code.

We have lobbied 50,500 four-page letters to every Peace Corpsman on the face of the earth, 30,000 letters to every former Peace Corpsman, 8,000 letters to all parents of Peace Corpsmen, and 2,500 letters to every member active.

You violated every law.

Well, that's my business.

I don't mean to say that.

No, I mean that I sent the GAO down.

But you can't put your finger on any good.

It's the magic.

It's completely committed to these accomplishments.

And if they don't flow down loud, I have to waste a lot of my time on these things.

Now, I can assure you that you'll have no trouble just giving me John Allen.

Let me know the name of him.

And of course, before I had to do this, I called out.

And I called the minister.

I said, you can just let me call it over.

Do you know what a pipeline is?

Yeah.

Well, get this money in there.

Know what I mean?

Then when you've obligated it, you give them the legislation operating on contained resolution, put it on the pipeline.

How could you cut it back to $350 million and put $199 billion in the pipeline?

You see, these people ought to use their heads up more than hang their hat on.

You have no words with anything in place except for the Lord God.

And that's the only two.

And let me ask this, if we could do this, I would have an understanding.

We don't ever want to believe.

Oh, I'm fine.

I'm there to see.

I sent that to everybody.

I sent one to call me.

The first thing, he's going to 16 days a year.

Don't tell me more.

I don't know.

What I was trying to say is we'll give you the code, but there may be an occasion when Henry will have to call you.

And if he calls, I don't want to put you on that kind of a spot.

I will never do it.

But only if I think the national security is involved.

There may be an occasion where on something that will really have to happen, and I'll have Dick do it and say, Henry, don't use it.

Well, he never does.

We don't use the big gun, and he is the big gun on this sort of thing, unless it's needed.

But your relationship is, you understand what I mean.

Now, for example, what if I take someplace like Cambodia?

We might have a very serious problem there.

We just got to have some money.

We may have to call you.

I have said, you'll hear from Matt, you'll hear from Henry, put the money.

Will you do that?

I have given you my word.

We won't ask you unless it's national security.

As far as things like Peace Corps and the rest, you've got to make up your mind.

Do you understand?

Well, I didn't know if the person who suggested it, they said, back me up 100%.

I said, is he going to be passed when it's going to be the indictment?

It's separate to the national.

I actually gave it separate to the campaign.

And since we gave them separate iPods,

I began getting very high when I actually got caught in line.

And I told you, I was listening to you gentlemen, but I didn't find some major conviction.

We had to defend him.

So I had Mr. Kistinger, Dr. Kistinger, you, Mr. Freddie, caught me three times a day at the meeting.

And I was, my apology was, no, I'm the president, Richard L. Nixon, who you don't know.

Good.

Well, we're not doing that.

We won't ask you for your thoughts.

You're not going to ask for anything.

We don't want to waste any money.

I must say, Connelly, who is looking into this, he's not safe.

But he is a traitor.

You see, he's on all fours.

And he became horrified.

He says, you see, the main trouble is, this is just...

It just isn't the interest, the other thing you've mentioned.

But it's whether or not the aid is doing any good for us.

Whether these countries are going to have an aid, a country that hasn't given us a team.

We're not going to have to buy a lot of money.

Honestly, we don't need to get along with a lot of money.

We can control the other countries.

And at first, college is great.

It's great.

But...

He meets with Mr. Mahon and Mr. Bolton.

I'm the guy that's going to decide what level he's going to be.

It might be that he wants to talk to me, actually.

Now, I don't intend to have any circumstances to put anything that my president wants, he's going to get.

I must have that understood.

Well, look, and you, uh...

You know, between now and the time you're in Russia, you can't do that.

and all sorts of things.

Well, the invitation came through, but some of them, they put this guy's pressure on me.

He wants the power to do the mission.

I'm very much impressed, okay.

And he wants it there.

We're going to have a Baptist preaching here Sunday.

The head of the Southern Baptist Church.

His name is, I don't know, you probably know.

No problem.

Don't hesitate to let me know if there's any difference of opinion.

We'll talk it through.

What about your wife?

You're going to your secretary.

You've got another man.

There's all you've got.

That opens up for all your old girls.

This is wonderful.

How many secretaries do you have?

You always curve them all.

Do you remember, Dick?

Mr. President, Mr. Redsburg came to work.

I have three offices.

No, don't tell me.

Wait, no.

Three offices, 14 secretaries.

So 14 only have it?

Yes, I have five up here.

No, I have nine up here.

Nine.

I have 65, 68 by the last of the year.