{"conversationCode":"685-005","tapeNumber":685,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-685-005","startDateTime":"1972-03-14T17:15:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1972-03-14T17:18:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Mar-1972","startTime":"12:15 PM","endDate":"14-Mar-1972","endTime":"12:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:15 pm and 12:18 pm. 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