Nixon, Haldeman & Sanchez on ITT anti-trust scandal and busing

3:42:05as far as our attorney general is.
3:43:15No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
3:43:43I think what you've got to look at the clock and the thing that you stare at is that you see the different angles of the clock.
3:43:49Somebody will come in and think that lots of seductives are clocked.
3:43:54Why the hell is it clocked?
3:43:57I think it's locked.
3:43:58If you put it on the back table, you don't see it.
3:44:01Ah, leave it there.
3:44:05Well, I still think you ought to go to the Lambert.
3:44:09There are things on the shelves there, you know.
3:44:15That's on the other side.
3:44:17I think it's worth arguing about.
3:44:25I don't really care.
3:44:30I'll send it over.
3:44:31I'll do it.
3:44:32One year, I've covered all the stuff I've done.
3:44:34I've sent out all of them.
3:44:35One question you raised was Taylor Ramsey.
3:44:37That was set up sort of as a harsh one.
3:44:41I don't know.
3:44:43The other things are all in the middle.
3:44:50It's really quiet.
3:44:52I have the tea now.
3:44:55I have this, you know, the interesting thing about this tea.
3:45:04Of course, I carry a huge quantity of it.
3:45:09But it's infinitely better for me than coffee.
3:45:12Because if there's time to eat it, it's just hot water with a little flavor in it.
3:45:16And it doesn't have the terrific bang of coffee.
3:45:20What are you using, the green tea?
3:45:24The green tea, yes.
3:45:27I don't like the taste of anything.
3:45:28I don't like coffee either.
3:45:31But if you drink it because of the look, you can't eat it.
3:45:38I got to liking green tea in China, and I started drinking it.
3:45:42They had one tea, it was a flower tea in Hangzhou.
3:45:45It was a browner tea.
3:45:47Now that I really loved, but they didn't give us any of that.
3:45:50The tea they gave us was the green tea and the jabs.
3:45:53Anyway, when I got here this morning, I thought it would be interesting to know about it.
3:46:00Of course, this is what keeps people at Cambridge alive, which is the UN.
3:46:04Part of this will follow the consent of who is the Prime Minister, what is the Prime Minister's decision, and who is not, perhaps, appointed.
3:46:14The UN is very well consented now, and I hear the Senate, of course.
3:46:21But he says, I want you to know that I have wrote, he said, you know, I have heard his majesty speaking this story to you.
3:46:27He says, I have admired you since I was a very young man.
3:46:34He says, but now I come out with admiration for the people that
3:46:39Because what you have done, and this is true of every place I go, what you have done is, you can take that giant step, and no one else can take it.
3:46:48It was there waiting to be done, but no one could do it.
3:46:53And we all feel, in your death, you are going to be taking this step.
3:47:00We know this is, of course, the reaction we're getting from any sensible foreign country.
3:47:06They know it had to be done.
3:47:07They know nobody else has the guts to do it.
3:47:11And they also know who's not skilled at it.
3:47:14And I hope our people around here, in terms of our, you know, first we've got some ideological work we can do about this and that.
3:47:28We're gone dead and buried.
3:47:31This is something we did.
3:47:35This is something we buried.
3:47:36It could be worse.
3:47:40It could be a great deal worse.
3:47:42And the important thing is that only I could have done it.
3:47:46Nobody pulled it off very damn soon.
3:47:50Our people should know the rules.
3:48:05I look at mom and I have this big sense of forgetting is somewhat of a tendency that all those days trying to kill those kids are a stunt, I mean, well, not a stunt, but well, there's a bit of learning here.
3:48:22Boy, it got so weak, I'm telling you, and I think that grade, whether we make it next week and so forth and so on.
3:48:28I mean, there are some things that have to be done, but really, they're going to have to be done.
3:48:39You see, maybe some of this stuff, I think...
3:48:49But I think, I think that many of the more superficial people, and I kid, I don't blame any of the more superficial people in the world, but they look upon it, gee, that was a good spectacular.
3:49:07What do we do next week?
3:49:08Right?
3:49:09Yeah.
3:49:10They're in the same category, like GMT, and that's what we're trying to do.
3:49:13Now we've got to do busing because of my GMT.
3:49:15Right.
3:49:16John made that point that I said, what about the two furthest years?
3:49:20I said, well, I can do it.
3:49:22It's a good way to do it.
3:49:29Yes, and that isn't the reason.
3:49:32It might be the reason.
3:49:34No, no, I get it.
3:49:38I get it.
3:49:39I get it.
3:49:40I get it.
3:49:42I get it.
3:49:42I get it.
3:49:43I get it.
3:49:45I get it.
3:49:45I get it.
3:49:49because the the busting thing that there's a damn good positive response because i believe in the other religion the idea is a potential fringe benefit because it may have some but one day you'll knock out a new ball out but one day it'll all be on the prime dollars and they'll be on half the time
3:50:15Well, 9.30 you give me the goddamn news.
3:50:22Let me look at the night.
3:50:24It depends on the schedule.
3:50:26It's only 10 o'clock.
3:50:27Well, maybe you can break me into the building then.
3:50:31I don't know whether that's bad for 10 minutes.
3:50:37Or even 10 o'clock.
3:50:41It's a very important announcement on the West Coast.
3:50:43It's very important to California.
3:50:45We are in California now.
3:50:46It's a good time.
3:50:47I'd rather say 10 than 9.
3:50:58You know, I mean... No, I'm just saying, I...
3:51:01I just think people have got to...
3:51:05But that might not be a bad idea.
3:51:10No.
3:51:11Because it's not a...
3:51:17It's a good level, which is news time here.
3:51:23The sound.
3:51:25No.
3:51:26Probably too late.
3:51:27Hell no, let's hit the south.
3:51:28You want to just seal it off.
3:51:31No, but this is a very good time to tell them.
3:51:35Yeah.
3:51:35About 10-30.
3:51:36A little bit better.
3:51:46Yeah, 11's a little better than that, but...
3:51:52I think 11 sounds all the way to 2.
3:52:02I guess so.
3:52:03That's usually up to 11 o'clock.
3:52:07I think 10 o'clock is really easy.
3:52:11You can go to 10 o'clock and let all the blocks in.
3:52:23Henry in the Senate, I mean, he didn't do this kind of thing.
3:52:29No, there's always, Al was there.
3:52:32There's always, I was just thinking, that's why Henry could use that as an anecdote in his, to tell Al to pass it on.
3:52:38Now, Al doesn't have any notes.
3:52:39I don't know whether he ever gets the seat.
3:52:42I constantly have to decide.
3:52:47Most of our people just sit at it.
3:52:52I can get the actual note and then say to you, be called, I can tell Henry, why don't you ask Allison, you want to see Allison?
3:53:00Okay.
3:53:00Wouldn't that be better?
3:53:02Yeah.
3:53:18And it's got others that are reading, just reading.
3:53:21But that's kind of the nice thing about it.
3:53:25You know, it is nice.
3:53:26It fits in.
3:53:27I'm sure of it.
3:53:31There's my view, and I believe there's something like that.
3:53:41I love it.
3:53:41And I don't want to say, but just keep going.
3:53:54Part of the problem with this is not that many people in the White House have already been involved in it.
3:54:07Perfectly honest.
3:54:08I mean, I can't get you down.
3:54:11Yeah, perfectly.
3:54:13Coals and earths and planets and all of our written memory and all our worries.
3:54:20I don't know what I'm going to be.
3:54:24I should be a god.
3:54:25It depends about hell.
3:54:26Yes, they wrote memory.
3:54:28Hell is.
3:54:29What the hell do you believe?
3:54:30That's their job.
3:54:36I tried to call Reginald, but we should have called him at 7 o'clock.
3:54:40He was probably already there.
3:54:41He's on.
3:54:42He went on about an hour ago.
3:54:47They did have the executive session this morning.
3:54:49And we don't know what, you know, any report on it.
3:54:53Because they went right from there to open session and called him in.
3:54:55I wish he would be back soon.
3:55:00Like I said, he doesn't want to show up.
3:55:14No.
3:55:16Well, I guess I did, yeah.
3:55:26Yeah, I did.
3:55:28Yes, that was yesterday.
3:55:30That was yesterday.
3:55:36And we did suck at it.
3:55:53The one there's we've just gotta get somebody there's got another case now we've got
3:56:15And maybe the thing is we wait until the IT&T thing's done, then you go back and use it as the, because we won't want to re-embrace it.
3:56:22So yeah.
3:56:29Wow.
3:56:30So he appeared, which is, there's still,
3:56:32Well, she's apparently, Bob Bennett now says that she's, who's Bob Bennett?
3:56:39Wally's son.
3:56:42Wally's son who's working with us.
3:56:44Who's Wally?
3:56:45The senator?
3:56:47Bennett.
3:56:47Bennett.
3:56:48Yeah.
3:56:50And he's apparently out there.
3:56:54I don't know what he's doing in the States.
3:56:57He's in the States.
3:56:59Colson's using or something.
3:57:00He's in Carolina.
3:57:02that he reports that she has sinned and the memo is a fake now.
3:57:08She says that she's getting one if she ever shows up with one of the ILR and comes out with that, then that is the device by which we can turn the thing and actually come out with a close-on.
3:57:20It's about the only one.
3:57:22You can't argue with parents and so on.
3:57:26Now, we're finally getting down to a thing where, for speakers, when you get on to the question of this, which people inevitably get, you've got three points that you can make, and they're very simple and they're very quick.
3:57:40Number one is, you probably think that the government dropped its suit against IT&T.
3:57:47Because that's what you've been told every night for two weeks.
3:57:51Now let me tell you what happened.
3:57:52It's very good for you to say that the settlement was the toughest antitrust settlement in history.
3:57:58I'm giving, incidentally, the backup on whether we can make the case, as you also pointed out at the time, so...
3:58:04number two you probably think that
3:58:24What they told you for two weeks is that IT&T gave $400,000 to the Republican campaign.
3:58:30Now, what happened is the Sheraton Hotel Corporation, who has a bunch of hotels in San Diego,
3:58:51underwrote the San Diego Visitors Convention Committee for $100,000 in order to make a bid for getting the convention to the convention and help their hotel business and to build their hotel business.
3:59:03Number three, media told you consistently that, how's the other one?
3:59:14Yeah, that's the third one.
3:59:17That there was a connection.
3:59:20that the reason the government dropped the suit, which it didn't do, was because IT&T gave the Republican Party money, which it didn't do.
3:59:30Both of those premises are wrong, but also there is no link between the two events that did happen in any way, shape, or form.
3:59:37They've been trying for two weeks on the approval link, and show up in every possible way, by the window, by fourth-generation hearsay evidence.
3:59:46And, you know, all this sort of stuff, and there is absolutely no link.
3:59:50Now, that about sums up the IT&T case.
3:59:54And then go on to say, but the worst is the assassination.
4:00:02You saw my memorandum on that, correct?
4:00:05I mean, some of these people are there to do a little research.
4:00:12It would be interesting to emphasize on that.
4:00:17But you see, I'm quite a look.
4:00:22Would that be interesting though?
4:00:25Yes.
4:00:26Would it be interesting to find out if there's any editorials saying what, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this,
4:00:48And the magazines, in all fairness, did both of them.
4:00:54I think they both made the point that they were reaching pretty far when they were admitting fourth removed year section.
4:01:11Could I suggest some powerful letters to the editor?
4:01:29The media has said they lie.
4:01:31Night after night, the television has started.
4:01:33Not yet.
4:01:34Not yet.
4:01:34Let's wait.
4:16:10And there's another thing in early April, if you want to get into the issue, which is the National Catholic Education Conference.
4:16:17If we wanted to say something about Catholic education.
4:16:23I thought about it.
4:16:24It's early April.
4:16:31That's April 5th.
4:16:35I don't like that issue quite that much.
4:16:40And there's, what is it, right in March?
4:16:45Yeah, we had it.
4:16:48One thing that ties into this area was a drug deal.
4:16:52It would be a thing where you go, you start with a meeting in the capital with the International Drug Control Group.
4:17:08Then you fly up to Kennedy Airport and go to Customs, inspect the aircraft arrival operation, which we do in the Customs area, which is a very good thing.
4:17:18And we have a passenger inspection thing in the terminal to show how they take the baggage and all that.
4:17:26And then we meet with the Federal Strike Force.
4:17:30Tom did a great job doing all that.
4:17:34And you make the point that it's the model of all federal strike forces around the country.
4:17:39And it'll breathe to me all that.
4:17:43And then you could go and meet privately.
4:17:46See the press, you'd let the press watch that.
4:17:48Then you meet privately with 40 undercover agents that are working in the streets of New York.
4:17:53Nobody could go with you because those men can't be identified, of course, because they're undercover types, not pictures.
4:17:59Then you could meet with the 12 narcotic court judges in New York who are seeking to set up these narcotic courts with a $700,000 grant that we provided.
4:18:11They have nothing but narcotics cases.
4:18:16And that would be it.
4:18:20Then you could go to another place.
4:18:23One we had in mind was the Midwest on the second day.
4:18:27or fly out that night, stay the next morning, go to a Midwestern city where there's a methadone program, drug treatment program, Japanese type things.
4:18:39And there's a long waiting list for treatment there.
4:18:45You could make the point in that that if we got our legislation through that that would cut that waiting list out.
4:18:53Then the thought was to go to Texas.
4:18:56and look at operation cooperation, the control center or not, where we monitor all the customs activity on the whole southern border of the U.S. And then come back.
4:19:12Because I think spending one day is probably better than trying to do three stops.
4:19:21I do too.
4:19:21Now, this was the plan when they were looking at the yard.
4:19:24I think it's a hell of a thing.
4:19:27All right.
4:19:28Put that off, if you like.
4:19:30And just do it as a one day opportunity.
4:19:31One day.
4:19:32Because I'm not trying to go on a fallout drug day.
4:19:35Well, you just don't stay overnight anyplace.
4:19:37Right.
4:19:39I don't want to stay overnight anyplace.
4:19:41I think that's good.
4:19:43The other point I was going to say is that
4:19:52What about the environment kit that John's pushing?
4:19:55They've got a trip work job.
4:19:56Yeah, they have several.
4:19:57I'm getting a visit there.
4:19:58I'm getting one of those.
4:19:59And I think the drug thing could be done quite soon.
4:20:02This is ready and it could be put together.
4:20:04We could do that.
4:20:05And we'll do buses this week.
4:20:07Press conference next week.
4:20:11Since I'm doing the bus, I don't think I'll try to do a press conference this week.
4:20:22Maybe go to New York on the 29th or something.
4:20:23I'll see her.
4:20:28I'll wait.
4:20:29Then I go on Monday and say, okay, you're on the 20th?
4:20:37Yeah.
4:20:39It's fall, right?
4:20:40Start getting around with it.
4:20:45Next, this coming Monday?
4:20:47Yeah.
4:20:58The other thing you could do, if you wanted to, might need to do it on Friday, you go right with me.
4:21:23I'll come down and keep you scanning.
4:21:28Right at the 24th floor, right at the restaurant.
4:21:31Next morning, do your truck business, go to New York and... We kept right clear on the idea that you might want to go down and keep a scan in the morning, but you never seem to do that anyway.
4:21:43You go to New York and do the whole rail and get down and keep a scan and have a seat.
4:21:49You can get down there easily.
4:21:52You can get down in time to then.
4:21:55That's what I mean, okay?
4:21:56Sure.
4:21:58That's better.
4:21:58The 24th, I think, is a better time.
4:21:59Or, uh, you mean it pressures them too much to do it on the 20th?
4:22:02Well, no, I think we can put it together that fast.
4:22:03I just... You actually got your big news out of the press conference.
4:22:09Maybe you're overwriting your own story.
4:22:10Maybe it's better to do it on Monday.
4:22:12I don't think you have big news for the press conference.
4:22:15In fact, it was...
4:22:19Well, that's right.
4:22:20All you care about is the people seeing it on the air, so you really don't care about it.
4:22:25And then this would be on the Friday night.
4:22:27Well, but see, the press conference story would be on the Friday night.
4:22:30It would probably override your drug day.
4:22:31That's right.
4:22:34Well, then why not try it?
4:22:35Let me see if we can do it.
4:22:37I don't think there's any problem.
4:22:41That's a good weekend to be in Key Biscayne, incidentally.
4:22:43There's a March for Welfare in Washington on the Saturday of the 25th, and it's not that marches anymore make any difference, but you see, Mike, I knew it would be then.
4:22:53If I did the press conference on the 3rd, at 7.30, I'd get off the plane at 8 o'clock, get the hell to work.
4:23:01Okay.
4:23:01I'd love to sit around here Friday.
4:23:05That's what you should do.
4:23:06And then come back Sunday night, you see.
4:23:11I was wondering about that, but the problem with that is what do you get any news?
4:23:32It's a
4:23:39There's some television opportunity in it.
4:23:42You're doing it really only for television story.
4:23:45Monday's better.
4:23:47Monday night's better.
4:23:49Monday also is not too good a day for the Congress.
4:23:50They're usually partying around.
4:23:56Let's go to Monday.
4:23:58Okay, go to Monday to find out if we're out of the country yet.
4:24:06That goes to the yard.
4:24:09There was a different environmental thing in that first week.
4:24:19We're not thinking about species.
4:24:21You understand, you're not getting any chances for claws or that sort of thing.
4:24:27That's just as well.
4:24:32Let those just happen, and let them happen on a small scale basis.
4:24:36So you go into the Kennedy terminal in New York to look at the inspection thing.
4:24:41There just might be a lot of people that will stand there and cheer when the president comes in.
4:24:46But anyway, I agree.
4:24:49And now, we've got $20,000 in the environment.
4:24:53Well, in the environment, we could look for something that first week in April.
4:25:02Ohio or down south or something.
4:25:05I'm not sure it's stopping.
4:25:10Texas, uh, Texas should be doing the end of April in the county.
4:25:15That's gotta be that quick.
4:25:19What he likes to do on that, what he said he would like to do is everybody, he invites the people for about 7 o'clock, 6.30, and he lets the press come to the cocktail period where you meet the people and the press gets a chance to see who's there and there's no mystery about it, no secret deal or anything like that.
4:25:42Then the press is taken away after about an hour or an hour or something.
4:25:47And then the dinner and all that is with no coverage, no press.
4:25:55But you may have a few negative people out there.
4:25:58I would think that's what you want to do.
4:26:01I agree.
4:26:01I think you've got to have an impact.
4:26:02You haven't talked about an impact on all the people.
4:26:05And you're not going to do it by just shaking their hands.
4:26:08And I just see the people at the head table.
4:26:11But I would think you do the handshaking, the informality first, and then the...
4:26:16The dinner, and then John would get out.
4:26:18I did not want to press, press it with you, and I know it should be here soon.
4:26:21There won't be, that's his plan.
4:26:23There's no pressing around.
4:26:24And he ships them over to San Antonio, and they spend the night there.
4:26:29Okay.
4:26:29He'd like you to stay at the house, and anybody else that's there would stay with wife and lady out on that.
4:26:3430, 30.
4:26:35Okay.
4:26:40We went through a huge flap about you only spending less than 24 hours in which is what we originally planned.
4:26:46So what we worked around every time we got here, what you do is arrive Thursday evening the 13th.
4:26:54We told them about 9 o'clock.
4:26:57It was an evening arrival.
4:27:01So it's too late for any event.
4:27:03You arrive, they have the arrival ceremony, and you go to bed.
4:27:06Then you have your day the next day, and their dinner that night, and you leave the following morning.
4:27:11You have to sleep two nights there, which gives them the feeling that you've spent, you know, had a full state visit.
4:27:19But functionally, you really only have one day.
4:27:25I had a rival start with me that night.
4:27:27Sure, we've done that a lot of places.
4:27:29We did that in Germany, we did it in Italy.
4:27:30Actually, it's more colorful compared to life in Canada.
4:27:38That's what it's called in here.
4:27:40It's American.
4:27:41It's bigger than anybody.
4:27:45Oh, I had a very good one.
4:27:45And then I'd call them and have a dinner.
4:27:48Leave the following morning.
4:27:51Not have a talk the following morning.
4:27:52No, you want to have a, you know, farewell call or courtesy call or something like that.
4:27:59And leave.
4:27:59And they always ask dinner.
4:28:00They always ask dinner that night.
4:28:01It's a bunch of, like, I'm trapped in my bed in Rogers.
4:28:05And the thing is triggered.
4:28:10So they ask.
4:28:14I think it's significant to know that there's not one damn question in the press conference about it.
4:28:23I mean, it's not a conference.
4:28:27They don't like to build up a conference.
4:28:30It's the same, you know, it's one of those back-end type stories where people aren't really all that excited about it.
4:28:39And there we go, you're in the press.
4:28:42knows what the situation is basically.
4:28:44They know that there's a built-in conflict between State and NSC.
4:28:51It's inevitable.
4:29:01And we go up to Russia.
4:29:07We had to leave earlier than that.
4:29:10We arrived in Washington on the 2nd.
4:29:14Yeah.
4:29:15Let me show you how it's going to be before the 1st.
4:29:18Plan is to leave on the 20th.
4:29:20Fly to Ireland.
4:29:23On the 20th.
4:29:25Spend that night.
4:29:26Get there at 9.
4:29:29Spend that night there, and Sunday the 21st take off in Ireland.
4:29:32Just in, was planning to get ready for Russia.
4:29:37And then I fly in Moscow on the 22nd.
4:29:39Monday.
4:29:40We spend two nights in Ireland.
4:29:48Two nights, one day.
4:29:48So we do it without an arcade there.
4:29:50If we can't do that, then we're not supposed to be there.
4:29:54Because you can't get into a thing without having to sit down for a long dinner.
4:30:00Yeah.
4:30:00You can use the house without him.
4:30:02Even if he's out of office.
4:30:03It would just be out of office.
4:30:05He can do that if he's in office.
4:30:07But you know what I mean?
4:30:09It just can't be that he's in the house at all.
4:30:11I don't think I would feel right about that.
4:30:13I don't think he should be there.
4:30:14Well, he should be in the country.
4:30:16I think that's true.
4:30:17And if we don't fight, we pick another place.
4:30:19Why not stop when we can't stop each other?
4:30:23Maybe we don't stop any place.
4:30:24How about Eastern?
4:30:29Is there any other questions we could do?
4:30:30I mean, the Ireland thing, maybe it's not be a good idea, but Ireland's a problem.
4:30:34Ireland's a problem.
4:30:35I'd like to ask you about that, too.
4:30:37Is there any other questions we could do?
4:30:41Not to me, it's all right.
4:30:48Stay in place.
4:30:51Stay in place.
4:30:56And you had to take a helicopter over to town.
4:30:58Yeah.
4:30:58You wouldn't have to take a helicopter over to town.
4:31:02You could just go in there and say, it's the U.S. base.
4:31:09You've done it in Portugal, so you wouldn't have to take it.
4:31:12You wouldn't have to take it.
4:31:21We're going back to a place that you've already been, so there isn't all the fuss about a new arrival in the morning, air dinners, and all that kind of stuff.
4:31:31Because they've already done it.
4:31:33I think that I would have been a pleasure to sit with and see.
4:31:38Well, I think he probably would, but he probably would have settled just for meeting at the airport.
4:31:47Or that I was a problem.
4:31:52I'm trying to claim for the Irish vote.
4:31:58Is that a bad one?
4:31:59It's not an effective stay in Ireland.
4:32:01I don't agree with those that you go to Ireland.
4:32:05But I do think you're going to have some hell racing about in Northern Ireland.
4:32:15And it's a hell of a sensitive issue.
4:32:23A lot of it, if you don't go higher than that, you figure any place other than that can be a source of radiation back there.
4:32:37It wasn't much.
4:32:42It's no problem.
4:32:42We just don't go any closer.
4:32:44That is a problem.
4:32:45Why?
4:32:48Timing.
4:32:49Too long a flight.
4:32:52Oh, you can get it in at a time that's not going to be the worst.
4:32:58I don't know, maybe it's not.
4:32:59Maybe we should figure on just going right on in.
4:33:02If we do that, see, there ain't no where it's off.
4:33:05Do that and arrive late at night, maybe.
4:33:10I wouldn't like to as well arrive late at night because you won't be able to sleep anyway.
4:33:17If we could get them to agree to no mean the next day at 3 o'clock or something.
4:33:24Because they aren't going to want you to arrive late at night.
4:33:27I don't think that's right.
4:33:30It's better for us.
4:33:30And let's see if there's any other place we could stop.
4:33:36How about a neutral country?
4:33:38Switzerland or Austria?
4:33:45You don't want to get to the end of it.
4:33:46It kind of takes you to it.
4:33:48I don't know what the hell they're saying there.
4:33:54You've got to go to the problem there, don't you?
4:34:01It's flexible.
4:34:01Of course, if you get into Geneva or something like that, then you've got a problem there, too.
4:34:06Well, and all the other stuff that's going on.
4:34:08Can you come in there and be left alone?
4:34:10Yes.
4:34:12If you don't go to Geneva, go to Lucerne or something.
4:34:15Kind of like the city of Lucerne or something.
4:34:19Zurich.
4:34:20Some nice, they've all got big airports.
4:34:21Or Salisbury or Austria, for example.
4:34:25Rather than the capital.
4:34:27And just get a Chevrolet or something.
4:34:30You know.
4:34:31And we just, the Ireland thing worries me.
4:34:33We're going to, I don't think we can do it on tape.
4:34:36I just like the sound of it.
4:34:38And, uh...
4:34:40But I think if we could go into, uh, into Austria, Salisbury might be very good.
4:34:51But rather than, rather than that, for Switzerland, you would Innsbruck or Luzern.
4:34:57Luzern would be very nice.
4:34:59Luzern sounds awfully good.
4:35:03It is time to stay both times.
4:35:06I bet it's the same.
4:35:07I think both guys are good.
4:35:09That's the hotel housing facilities.
4:35:10I wonder if the service is going to foster their place because the non-person will be there.
4:35:17No, it won't be that.
4:35:18Tourist season.
4:35:19Tourist season.
4:35:20Tourist season does start with June and it's the weather ought to be fairly good.
4:35:26It won't be very good.
4:35:27It'll be cold.
4:35:28However, I'll just say it'll be cold with the sun.
4:35:31But it
4:35:34Well, you aren't going to do anything anyway.
4:35:36The Swiss woman told me that Austria presents a little problem.
4:35:41Why not sign this possibility?
4:35:42Well, she was far away from the ship.
4:35:45I just think we ought to knock them off.
4:35:48There's no way you can handle that.
4:35:51And the way to do that is arrive there Saturday evening and agree to meet with whoever you have to, the Swiss government.
4:36:00Somebody has to meet you.
4:36:02and let them escort you to your guest house and have a half hour courtesy session with them.
4:36:07That night, because it would still be early here at the time, right?
4:36:10That's right.
4:36:11And then explain to them that Sunday you must have off.
4:36:14In other words, you have to work Sunday.
4:36:17That you're working and then Monday you leave for Moscow.
4:36:20I don't know why that wouldn't work.
4:36:25Try to just not be out.
4:36:31We should not come from an American military base.
4:36:36That's a double V8 service, right?
4:36:38So I'm screwed.
4:36:43Ten minutes.
4:36:43It'll be a different.
4:36:46I think this may not make sense.
4:36:56They aren't the best place to stay if you get a job in that little hotel.
4:36:59But I don't know if they're the right choice.
4:37:02It's like a good Swiss hotel.
4:37:03There isn't any place where I can't stay for the maintenance because that girl wants to be there to look.
4:37:08Yeah, but you might need somebody to return.
4:37:11It's kind of a nice stop.
4:37:12And the lake there, it's a pleasant place to be.
4:37:15You get one of those hotels with a big window looking out.
4:37:18It's just kind of a nice place to work for a day.
4:37:28I think you've done a little thinking on that, Bob, and the other, get the drug names set for 2020, but let's start getting around there.
4:37:37You don't think I could do a press thing, maybe, you know, I've got to work on this speech.
4:37:41I don't think you should.
4:37:43I don't think, maybe my concern about getting this stuff straight is wrong.
4:37:46I don't think it's going to do it.
4:37:48They're going to ask the same questions.
4:37:50Let them ask them.
4:37:51Let them be the leader of the meeting.
4:37:52You know, that isn't going to help a bunch.
4:37:58Some people will.
4:38:02It gives us something to work with.
4:38:05It gives us a reference point.
4:38:13People ask you, what do you mean by National Press?
4:38:15Have you read the Peterborough?
4:52:49Now, you know what he needs a lot of it.
4:52:50Now, I'm not encouraging that.
4:52:52You could still give it to him.
4:52:55You could tell him that he will get the next court appointment after, that would give him a chance to go out and make some money for a while, which he also wants to do.
4:53:04He may not still want the court.
4:53:05He may want to go into this media job.
4:53:07Well, he, is it his line?
4:53:09Is that you think is what he's talking about?
4:53:11I think so.
4:53:11And if they haven't, I'm sure they would.
4:53:16What kind of a media job did I offer?
4:53:24What I was offering, if I were CBS... Director of News?
4:53:28No, sir.
4:53:29I was offering a commentator role.
4:53:35I paid them about $500,000 a year.
4:53:38Boy, they have one hell of a lot of that over there.
4:53:42Because we have a third of the country coming in every night to see us in here acting.
4:53:47Look at you.
4:53:47Look at the audience.
4:53:48And I'd give complete freedom to rip up the media, the news, everything else.
4:53:59It would be the easiest way in the world for them to get back.
4:54:05It also makes it interesting.
4:54:08I really thought, speaking of CBS, that that was the highest I heard of Hillary.
4:54:13That's something which she wrote on until it got to be the bird.
4:54:17He had money and silver.
4:54:19Charming little lady.
4:54:20Charming little lady.
4:54:21And then that same news for the autumn comes.
4:54:23If you've ever heard of Gray's, I would think of it.
4:54:26Goddamn, he got scoched through there.
4:54:28He didn't see her again.
4:54:29So it comes.
4:54:30The ball bounces around a lot, doesn't it?
4:54:33Doesn't show you how damn cynical those people are.
4:54:36They know better than I do.
4:54:37They know damn well what she is and what she's done.
4:54:42I'm actually going to tell you that I've got a liver that can fall down and stink and dead across the Capitol steps.
4:54:49They will not report it.
4:54:51Fort Watson, I was off here in Paris, makes a passage through it and it's reported.
4:54:56I won't have it.
4:54:58But we'll see.
4:55:01Don't tell you to get a ticket.
4:55:03Don't ever leave.
4:55:04But I think of all those kids in the S.A. that are in airplanes and trains and everything, I think they believe me, that worries me less.
4:55:11Yeah, it's the Watsons.
4:55:12Yeah, really.
4:55:13Unless his wife decided to divorce him or something like that.
4:55:18That's the cause of the problem.
4:55:19But he's not going to do that.
4:55:20He's a bastard.
4:55:21Maybe he is, but I can't attract him.
4:55:23But my point is that Watson has our confidence.
4:55:30This is terrible.
4:55:31The loss is going to go down in the ocean.
4:55:40It's an accident.
4:55:41It's May.
4:55:41Friday, May 3, Wall Street, John Crow.
4:55:43It's Monday.
4:55:43I also authorized to do the archives in May before Los Angeles.
4:55:47I said, the time's not good.
4:55:53You agree?
4:55:54Yeah.
4:56:15I wonder if you shouldn't do a White House reception for them.
4:56:25Not a speech.
4:56:25You shouldn't go speak to them.
4:56:28But if you've got all the editors here, I wonder if it is a good idea to have them come over to the house with their wives, plow through a line.
4:56:43You got what's done on my view about the Easter service?
4:56:48Army Corps?
4:56:49Yes, Army Corps.
4:56:50Do you like it?
4:56:51I think it's great.
4:56:52Lots of music.
4:56:53Who can read this character?
4:56:55Somebody can.
4:56:56They get a moment of silence.
4:56:57Well, I think let's do the silence.
4:56:59That's a good idea.
4:57:00We'll have a discussion and so forth.
4:57:03You can follow it.
4:57:05I haven't seen a few songs.
4:57:09Two songs.
4:57:10We'll have a security meeting.
4:57:13That's great.
4:57:14I'm sorry to read it to you.
4:57:17What did you say?
4:57:19Oh, this is it.
4:57:22They're here.
4:57:27I agree.
4:57:28Fantastic.
4:57:30I love TV, though.
4:57:36On the gridiron?
4:57:37Well, TV doesn't have a similar kind of... On the gridiron, certainly.
4:57:41I'm inclined to think there are people who are not reporters.
4:57:45You understand?
4:57:46No.
4:57:46Publishers from around the country.
4:57:48No.
4:57:50People who are in the building.
4:57:52You understand?
4:57:52Buildings.
4:57:53Get clients, get them.
4:57:56You do control.
4:57:57Don't take clients to a spot.
4:58:01Next April, what, on the publishers?
4:58:04No, the editors?
4:58:05The editors, yeah.
4:58:06Is around the 20th?
4:58:0919th, 20th, somewhere in there.
4:58:12Of April?
4:58:13Yeah.
4:58:16Sure.
4:58:21Do you want to try it later?
4:58:24The Q&A is...
4:58:27I'm better so bad at it.
4:58:29Well, you did it last year.
4:58:30Why do it again?
4:58:33Oh, they're trying to get the children back.
4:58:36No.
4:58:37That's having a recession.
4:58:38But I don't think we should ignore them in an election.
4:58:43They're going to be here.
4:58:44Well, it's not a delightful recession.
4:58:46It's a little different.
4:58:52We can work up something.
4:58:53Try to get the law on it.
4:58:56about having a tattoo or, uh, another bad thing, that probably is to come to that Army and have a reception, go through here, uh, and then have the Army shake all their hands and then let them drink up their booze and then go out and see the tattoo or whatever it was.
4:59:20Anyway, I agree with you.
4:59:25I have no doubt, I'm all for anything that will help at this point.
4:59:29That's why I've authorized to come here on time.
4:59:32So we're turning down, you know, the speech tech things.
4:59:35I don't think you should do those.
4:59:37We don't.
4:59:38They're a lot of work.
4:59:40And we don't think we're going to tell them.
4:59:42So I hope that they can tell you soon.
4:59:44They're very important people.
4:59:46I want to show you one of them here.
4:59:55The other one we've got to get out of is the NPA.
4:59:59Well, those are public, they have more effective measures in Dorset, you know.
5:00:02Why, they make fighter jets close again.
5:00:05When is that?
5:00:06See, it doesn't have to be New York.
5:00:08That's the New York line of activity.
5:00:10April 25th, which is when you were going to be in California.
5:00:13Well, good.
5:00:14Now, then, you've just got to have something else to do.
5:00:18Oh, well, as soon as you get the publishers of the gridiron.
5:00:21Now, do the publishers of the gridiron.
5:00:24And the problem is, if you do that, you have to do the video advertising or the AD.
5:00:28It's the White House.
5:00:30Oh, yeah, it's the White Eye.
5:00:32It's anywhere in the city.
5:00:36And I'm certainly not going to build it.
5:00:39Period.
5:00:39So that's how we've got it.
5:00:42See?
5:00:46All right.
5:00:47Okay.
5:00:48All right.

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