Conversation 685-010

TapeTape 685StartTuesday, March 14, 1972 at 12:36 PMEndTuesday, March 14, 1972 at 1:57 PMTape start time03:41:02Tape end time05:02:22ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Sanchez, ManoloRecording deviceOval Office

On March 14, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:36 pm to 1:57 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 685-010 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 685-10

Date: March 14, 1972
Time: 12:36 - 1:57 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

       Placement of something in the Oval Office
            -Clock

       Central Treaty Organization [CENTO] meeting

       The President's schedule
            -William F. (“Billy”) Graham meeting

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:36 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:57 pm.

       Tea
             -Qualities
             -Coffee
             -Different kinds
             -Hangchow

       CENTO meeting
           -Henry A. Kissinger
           -Nassir Assar
                -Talk with the President
                -Prime Minister's assistant
                -View of the President
           -The President's accomplishments
                -The People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
                      -International recognition
                      -White House staff
                             -Patrick J. Buchanan

       The PRC trip
            -White House staff

      -Television staff
            -George P. Shultz
      -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
      -Busing
            -John D. Ehrlichman’s view
      -ITT and busing compared
            -Press coverage

The President's schedule
     -Busing speech
           -Timing
                  -California
                  -News time
                  -South

Central Treaty Organization [CENTO] meeting
     -Anecdote use
           -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                 -Possible talk with Haldeman
                 -Haldeman's possible talk with Haig
           -Campaign

ITT
      -White House staff involvement
           -Charles W. Colson
           -Ehrlichman
           -Peter M. Flanigan
           -Memoranda
           -John N. Mitchell
                  -Testimony
      -Executive session
      -Open session
           -Mitchell

The President's memorandum
     -PRC trip
     -Publicity
           -The President’s memorandum
                 -Unknown book
                 -James Keogh’s book [President Nixon and the Press]

                 -Colson
                 -Unknown woman

      ITT
            -White House strategy
            -Colson
            -Dita D. Beard
                  -Statements
                         -Press
                  -Wallace F. Bennett
                         -Son
                               -Robert Bennett
                                     -Colson
                  -Public relations
            -Anti-trust suit
                  -Lyndon B. Johnson administration
                  -John F. Kennedy administration
            -Media coverage
                  -Republican campaign
                         -Sheraton Hotel
                               -San Diego
                                     -Contribution
                                          -Reasons
            -Hearsay evidence
            -The President's memorandum
                  -Jack N. Anderson
            -Editorials
                  -Nelson A. Rockefeller
            -Magazines
            -New York Times
                  -Letters to the editor
            -Washington Post
            -Media
                  -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

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      The President's schedule
           -National Catholic Education Conference
                  -Philadelphia
                  -Parochial education
           -Drugs
                  -International drug control group
                        -Cabinet Room
                  -Customs
                        -John F. Kennedy Airport
                               -Aircraft arrival inspection procedure
                  -Federal strike force
                  -Press
                  -Undercover police officers
                  -Narcotic court judges
                  -Midwest
                        -Chicago
                               -Methadone drug treatment program
                                     -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
                                     -Legislation
                  -Texas
                        -Operation Cooperation
                  -New York
            -Philadelphia
           -Environment
                  -Ehrlichman
           -Drugs
           -Busing
                  -Press conference
                  -The President’s forthcoming busing statement
           -New York
                  -Timing
                        -Key Biscayne
                        -Press conference
                        -Key Biscayne

                        -March for Welfare, Washington, D.C.
     -Press conference
           -Timing
           -Television opportunity
     -New York
     -Environment
     -Key Biscayne
     -The President’s possible trip to Kennedy Airport
     -Environment
           -Ohio
           -South
     -Texas
           -Forthcoming dinner hosted by John B. Connally
                 -Timing
                 -Press
                 -Dinner
                 -Handshaking
                 -Dinner
                 -Press
                        -San Antonio
                 -The President's accommodations
                 -Timing
     -The President’s forthcoming trip to Canada
           -Arrival ceremony
                 -Timing
           -Length of visit
           -Arrival ceremony
                 -Timing
                        -West Germany
                        -Italy
           -[Pierre E. Trudeau]
           -Dinner
     -Organization of American States [OAS] dinner
           -Timing
           -William P. Rogers

Rogers
     -Press conference
            -Ronald L. Ziegler
      -State Department
      -National Security Council [NSC]

The President’s schedule
     -Forthcoming trip to the Soviet Union
           -Timing
           -Ireland
                  -John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy
                  -Dinner
                  -The President's accommodations
           -Iceland
           -Ireland
                  -Northern Ireland
           -Azores
                  -Helicopter
                  -Portugal
           -Ireland Arrival
                  -John M. Lynch
                        -Airport
                  -Northern Ireland
                        -Irish vote
                        -Mulcahy
                        -Issue
           -Azores
           -Time
           -Switzerland
           -Austria
                  -Vienna
           -Geneva
                  -Privacy
           -Lucerne
           -Zurich
           -Austria
                  Salzburg
           -Ireland
                  -Mulcahy
           -Austria
                  -Salzburg
           -Switzerland
           -Innsbruck
           -Lucerne
                  -Housing facilities
                  -Tourism

                       -Weather
                 -Austria
                 -Mulcahy
                 -Switzerland
                       -Meeting with officials
                       -Plans
                 -Lucerne
                 -Vienna
                 -Accommodations
                 -Azores
                       -US military base
                 -Lucerne
           -Drugs
           -Press conference
                 -Questions
                 -Public relations
                       -Keogh’s book [President Nixon and the Press]

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MANOLO SANCHEZ ENTERED AT AN UNKNOWN TIME AFTER 12:36 PM.

SANCHEZ LEFT AT AN UNKNOWN TIME BEFORE 1:57 PM.

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      -Agnew
           -Career opportunities
                -Supreme Court
                -Media
                      -Haldeman’s view

                          -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]

       The press
            -CBS
                   -ITT
                        -Dita Beard
                              -Danile L. Schorr
            -Treatment of liberals
                  -Compared to treatment of Arthur K. Watson
            -Wall Street Journal
            -New York Times
                  -The President’s forthcoming trip to the Soviet Union

       The President's schedule
            -Meeting with American Society for Newspaper Editors [ASNE]
                  -White House reception
            -Easter service
            -Gridiron church service
                  -Plans
                         -Army chorus
                         -Songs
                         -Scriptures
                  -Television
                  -Publishers
                  -Herbert G. Klein
                         -Editors
            -Possible meeting with ASNE
                  -Questions and answers [Q&A]
                  -Reception
                  -Speeches
            -Unknown publishers’ group
                  -New York
                  -California
                  -Gridiron church service
            -Editors
                  -Reception

       Speech
            -William L. Safire

Haldeman left at 1:57 pm.

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I think what you've got to look at the clock and the thing that you stare at is that you see the different angles of the clock.
Somebody will come in and think that lots of seductives are clocked.
Why the hell is it clocked?
I think it's locked.
If you put it on the back table, you don't see it.
Ah, leave it there.
Well, I still think you ought to go to the Lambert.
There are things on the shelves there, you know.
That's on the other side.
I think it's worth arguing about.
I don't really care.
I'll send it over.
I'll do it.
One year, I've covered all the stuff I've done.
I've sent out all of them.
One question you raised was Taylor Ramsey.
That was set up sort of as a harsh one.
I don't know.
The other things are all in the middle.
It's really quiet.
I have the tea now.
I have this, you know, the interesting thing about this tea.
Of course, I carry a huge quantity of it.
But it's infinitely better for me than coffee.
Because if there's time to eat it, it's just hot water with a little flavor in it.
And it doesn't have the terrific bang of coffee.
What are you using, the green tea?
The green tea, yes.
I don't like the taste of anything.
I don't like coffee either.
But if you drink it because of the look, you can't eat it.
I got to liking green tea in China, and I started drinking it.
They had one tea, it was a flower tea in Hangzhou.
It was a browner tea.
Now that I really loved, but they didn't give us any of that.
The tea they gave us was the green tea and the jabs.
Anyway, when I got here this morning, I thought it would be interesting to know about it.
Of course, this is what keeps people at Cambridge alive, which is the UN.
Part of this will follow the consent of who is the Prime Minister, what is the Prime Minister's decision, and who is not, perhaps, appointed.
The UN is very well consented now, and I hear the Senate, of course.
But he says, I want you to know that I have wrote, he said, you know, I have heard his majesty speaking this story to you.
He says, I have admired you since I was a very young man.
He says, but now I come out with admiration for the people that
Because what you have done, and this is true of every place I go, what you have done is, you can take that giant step, and no one else can take it.
It was there waiting to be done, but no one could do it.
And we all feel, in your death, you are going to be taking this step.
We know this is, of course, the reaction we're getting from any sensible foreign country.
They know it had to be done.
They know nobody else has the guts to do it.
And they also know who's not skilled at it.
And I hope our people around here, in terms of our, you know, first we've got some ideological work we can do about this and that.
We're gone dead and buried.
This is something we did.
This is something we buried.
It could be worse.
It could be a great deal worse.
And the important thing is that only I could have done it.
Nobody pulled it off very damn soon.
Our people should know the rules.
I look at mom and I have this big sense of forgetting is somewhat of a tendency that all those days trying to kill those kids are a stunt, I mean, well, not a stunt, but well, there's a bit of learning here.
Boy, it got so weak, I'm telling you, and I think that grade, whether we make it next week and so forth and so on.
I mean, there are some things that have to be done, but really, they're going to have to be done.
You see, maybe some of this stuff, I think...
But I think, I think that many of the more superficial people, and I kid, I don't blame any of the more superficial people in the world, but they look upon it, gee, that was a good spectacular.
What do we do next week?
Right?
Yeah.
They're in the same category, like GMT, and that's what we're trying to do.
Now we've got to do busing because of my GMT.
Right.
John made that point that I said, what about the two furthest years?
I said, well, I can do it.
It's a good way to do it.
Yes, and that isn't the reason.
It might be the reason.
No, no, I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
because the the busting thing that there's a damn good positive response because i believe in the other religion the idea is a potential fringe benefit because it may have some but one day you'll knock out a new ball out but one day it'll all be on the prime dollars and they'll be on half the time
Well, 9.30 you give me the goddamn news.
Let me look at the night.
It depends on the schedule.
It's only 10 o'clock.
Well, maybe you can break me into the building then.
I don't know whether that's bad for 10 minutes.
Or even 10 o'clock.
It's a very important announcement on the West Coast.
It's very important to California.
We are in California now.
It's a good time.
I'd rather say 10 than 9.
You know, I mean... No, I'm just saying, I...
I just think people have got to...
But that might not be a bad idea.
No.
Because it's not a...
It's a good level, which is news time here.
The sound.
No.
Probably too late.
Hell no, let's hit the south.
You want to just seal it off.
No, but this is a very good time to tell them.
Yeah.
About 10-30.
A little bit better.
Yeah, 11's a little better than that, but...
I think 11 sounds all the way to 2.
I guess so.
That's usually up to 11 o'clock.
I think 10 o'clock is really easy.
You can go to 10 o'clock and let all the blocks in.
Henry in the Senate, I mean, he didn't do this kind of thing.
No, there's always, Al was there.
There's always, I was just thinking, that's why Henry could use that as an anecdote in his, to tell Al to pass it on.
Now, Al doesn't have any notes.
I don't know whether he ever gets the seat.
I constantly have to decide.
Most of our people just sit at it.
I can get the actual note and then say to you, be called, I can tell Henry, why don't you ask Allison, you want to see Allison?
Okay.
Wouldn't that be better?
Yeah.
And it's got others that are reading, just reading.
But that's kind of the nice thing about it.
You know, it is nice.
It fits in.
I'm sure of it.
There's my view, and I believe there's something like that.
I love it.
And I don't want to say, but just keep going.
Part of the problem with this is not that many people in the White House have already been involved in it.
Perfectly honest.
I mean, I can't get you down.
Yeah, perfectly.
Coals and earths and planets and all of our written memory and all our worries.
I don't know what I'm going to be.
I should be a god.
It depends about hell.
Yes, they wrote memory.
Hell is.
What the hell do you believe?
That's their job.
I tried to call Reginald, but we should have called him at 7 o'clock.
He was probably already there.
He's on.
He went on about an hour ago.
They did have the executive session this morning.
And we don't know what, you know, any report on it.
Because they went right from there to open session and called him in.
I wish he would be back soon.
Like I said, he doesn't want to show up.
No.
Well, I guess I did, yeah.
Yeah, I did.
Yes, that was yesterday.
That was yesterday.
And we did suck at it.
The one there's we've just gotta get somebody there's got another case now we've got
And maybe the thing is we wait until the IT&T thing's done, then you go back and use it as the, because we won't want to re-embrace it.
So yeah.
Wow.
So he appeared, which is, there's still,
Well, she's apparently, Bob Bennett now says that she's, who's Bob Bennett?
Wally's son.
Wally's son who's working with us.
Who's Wally?
The senator?
Bennett.
Bennett.
Yeah.
And he's apparently out there.
I don't know what he's doing in the States.
He's in the States.
Colson's using or something.
He's in Carolina.
that he reports that she has sinned and the memo is a fake now.
She says that she's getting one if she ever shows up with one of the ILR and comes out with that, then that is the device by which we can turn the thing and actually come out with a close-on.
It's about the only one.
You can't argue with parents and so on.
Now, we're finally getting down to a thing where, for speakers, when you get on to the question of this, which people inevitably get, you've got three points that you can make, and they're very simple and they're very quick.
Number one is, you probably think that the government dropped its suit against IT&T.
Because that's what you've been told every night for two weeks.
Now let me tell you what happened.
It's very good for you to say that the settlement was the toughest antitrust settlement in history.
I'm giving, incidentally, the backup on whether we can make the case, as you also pointed out at the time, so...
number two you probably think that
What they told you for two weeks is that IT&T gave $400,000 to the Republican campaign.
Now, what happened is the Sheraton Hotel Corporation, who has a bunch of hotels in San Diego,
underwrote the San Diego Visitors Convention Committee for $100,000 in order to make a bid for getting the convention to the convention and help their hotel business and to build their hotel business.
Number three, media told you consistently that, how's the other one?
Yeah, that's the third one.
That there was a connection.
that the reason the government dropped the suit, which it didn't do, was because IT&T gave the Republican Party money, which it didn't do.
Both of those premises are wrong, but also there is no link between the two events that did happen in any way, shape, or form.
They've been trying for two weeks on the approval link, and show up in every possible way, by the window, by fourth-generation hearsay evidence.
And, you know, all this sort of stuff, and there is absolutely no link.
Now, that about sums up the IT&T case.
And then go on to say, but the worst is the assassination.
You saw my memorandum on that, correct?
I mean, some of these people are there to do a little research.
It would be interesting to emphasize on that.
But you see, I'm quite a look.
Would that be interesting though?
Yes.
Would it be interesting to find out if there's any editorials saying what, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this, what about this,
And the magazines, in all fairness, did both of them.
I think they both made the point that they were reaching pretty far when they were admitting fourth removed year section.
Could I suggest some powerful letters to the editor?
The media has said they lie.
Night after night, the television has started.
Not yet.
Not yet.
Let's wait.
And there's another thing in early April, if you want to get into the issue, which is the National Catholic Education Conference.
If we wanted to say something about Catholic education.
I thought about it.
It's early April.
That's April 5th.
I don't like that issue quite that much.
And there's, what is it, right in March?
Yeah, we had it.
One thing that ties into this area was a drug deal.
It would be a thing where you go, you start with a meeting in the capital with the International Drug Control Group.
Then you fly up to Kennedy Airport and go to Customs, inspect the aircraft arrival operation, which we do in the Customs area, which is a very good thing.
And we have a passenger inspection thing in the terminal to show how they take the baggage and all that.
And then we meet with the Federal Strike Force.
Tom did a great job doing all that.
And you make the point that it's the model of all federal strike forces around the country.
And it'll breathe to me all that.
And then you could go and meet privately.
See the press, you'd let the press watch that.
Then you meet privately with 40 undercover agents that are working in the streets of New York.
Nobody could go with you because those men can't be identified, of course, because they're undercover types, not pictures.
Then you could meet with the 12 narcotic court judges in New York who are seeking to set up these narcotic courts with a $700,000 grant that we provided.
They have nothing but narcotics cases.
And that would be it.
Then you could go to another place.
One we had in mind was the Midwest on the second day.
or fly out that night, stay the next morning, go to a Midwestern city where there's a methadone program, drug treatment program, Japanese type things.
And there's a long waiting list for treatment there.
You could make the point in that that if we got our legislation through that that would cut that waiting list out.
Then the thought was to go to Texas.
and look at operation cooperation, the control center or not, where we monitor all the customs activity on the whole southern border of the U.S. And then come back.
Because I think spending one day is probably better than trying to do three stops.
I do too.
Now, this was the plan when they were looking at the yard.
I think it's a hell of a thing.
All right.
Put that off, if you like.
And just do it as a one day opportunity.
One day.
Because I'm not trying to go on a fallout drug day.
Well, you just don't stay overnight anyplace.
Right.
I don't want to stay overnight anyplace.
I think that's good.
The other point I was going to say is that
What about the environment kit that John's pushing?
They've got a trip work job.
Yeah, they have several.
I'm getting a visit there.
I'm getting one of those.
And I think the drug thing could be done quite soon.
This is ready and it could be put together.
We could do that.
And we'll do buses this week.
Press conference next week.
Since I'm doing the bus, I don't think I'll try to do a press conference this week.
Maybe go to New York on the 29th or something.
I'll see her.
I'll wait.
Then I go on Monday and say, okay, you're on the 20th?
Yeah.
It's fall, right?
Start getting around with it.
Next, this coming Monday?
Yeah.
The other thing you could do, if you wanted to, might need to do it on Friday, you go right with me.
I'll come down and keep you scanning.
Right at the 24th floor, right at the restaurant.
Next morning, do your truck business, go to New York and... We kept right clear on the idea that you might want to go down and keep a scan in the morning, but you never seem to do that anyway.
You go to New York and do the whole rail and get down and keep a scan and have a seat.
You can get down there easily.
You can get down in time to then.
That's what I mean, okay?
Sure.
That's better.
The 24th, I think, is a better time.
Or, uh, you mean it pressures them too much to do it on the 20th?
Well, no, I think we can put it together that fast.
I just... You actually got your big news out of the press conference.
Maybe you're overwriting your own story.
Maybe it's better to do it on Monday.
I don't think you have big news for the press conference.
In fact, it was...
Well, that's right.
All you care about is the people seeing it on the air, so you really don't care about it.
And then this would be on the Friday night.
Well, but see, the press conference story would be on the Friday night.
It would probably override your drug day.
That's right.
Well, then why not try it?
Let me see if we can do it.
I don't think there's any problem.
That's a good weekend to be in Key Biscayne, incidentally.
There's a March for Welfare in Washington on the Saturday of the 25th, and it's not that marches anymore make any difference, but you see, Mike, I knew it would be then.
If I did the press conference on the 3rd, at 7.30, I'd get off the plane at 8 o'clock, get the hell to work.
Okay.
I'd love to sit around here Friday.
That's what you should do.
And then come back Sunday night, you see.
I was wondering about that, but the problem with that is what do you get any news?
It's a
There's some television opportunity in it.
You're doing it really only for television story.
Monday's better.
Monday night's better.
Monday also is not too good a day for the Congress.
They're usually partying around.
Let's go to Monday.
Okay, go to Monday to find out if we're out of the country yet.
That goes to the yard.
There was a different environmental thing in that first week.
We're not thinking about species.
You understand, you're not getting any chances for claws or that sort of thing.
That's just as well.
Let those just happen, and let them happen on a small scale basis.
So you go into the Kennedy terminal in New York to look at the inspection thing.
There just might be a lot of people that will stand there and cheer when the president comes in.
But anyway, I agree.
And now, we've got $20,000 in the environment.
Well, in the environment, we could look for something that first week in April.
Ohio or down south or something.
I'm not sure it's stopping.
Texas, uh, Texas should be doing the end of April in the county.
That's gotta be that quick.
What he likes to do on that, what he said he would like to do is everybody, he invites the people for about 7 o'clock, 6.30, and he lets the press come to the cocktail period where you meet the people and the press gets a chance to see who's there and there's no mystery about it, no secret deal or anything like that.
Then the press is taken away after about an hour or an hour or something.
And then the dinner and all that is with no coverage, no press.
But you may have a few negative people out there.
I would think that's what you want to do.
I agree.
I think you've got to have an impact.
You haven't talked about an impact on all the people.
And you're not going to do it by just shaking their hands.
And I just see the people at the head table.
But I would think you do the handshaking, the informality first, and then the...
The dinner, and then John would get out.
I did not want to press, press it with you, and I know it should be here soon.
There won't be, that's his plan.
There's no pressing around.
And he ships them over to San Antonio, and they spend the night there.
Okay.
He'd like you to stay at the house, and anybody else that's there would stay with wife and lady out on that.
30, 30.
Okay.
We went through a huge flap about you only spending less than 24 hours in which is what we originally planned.
So what we worked around every time we got here, what you do is arrive Thursday evening the 13th.
We told them about 9 o'clock.
It was an evening arrival.
So it's too late for any event.
You arrive, they have the arrival ceremony, and you go to bed.
Then you have your day the next day, and their dinner that night, and you leave the following morning.
You have to sleep two nights there, which gives them the feeling that you've spent, you know, had a full state visit.
But functionally, you really only have one day.
I had a rival start with me that night.
Sure, we've done that a lot of places.
We did that in Germany, we did it in Italy.
Actually, it's more colorful compared to life in Canada.
That's what it's called in here.
It's American.
It's bigger than anybody.
Oh, I had a very good one.
And then I'd call them and have a dinner.
Leave the following morning.
Not have a talk the following morning.
No, you want to have a, you know, farewell call or courtesy call or something like that.
And leave.
And they always ask dinner.
They always ask dinner that night.
It's a bunch of, like, I'm trapped in my bed in Rogers.
And the thing is triggered.
So they ask.
I think it's significant to know that there's not one damn question in the press conference about it.
I mean, it's not a conference.
They don't like to build up a conference.
It's the same, you know, it's one of those back-end type stories where people aren't really all that excited about it.
And there we go, you're in the press.
knows what the situation is basically.
They know that there's a built-in conflict between State and NSC.
It's inevitable.
And we go up to Russia.
We had to leave earlier than that.
We arrived in Washington on the 2nd.
Yeah.
Let me show you how it's going to be before the 1st.
Plan is to leave on the 20th.
Fly to Ireland.
On the 20th.
Spend that night.
Get there at 9.
Spend that night there, and Sunday the 21st take off in Ireland.
Just in, was planning to get ready for Russia.
And then I fly in Moscow on the 22nd.
Monday.
We spend two nights in Ireland.
Two nights, one day.
So we do it without an arcade there.
If we can't do that, then we're not supposed to be there.
Because you can't get into a thing without having to sit down for a long dinner.
Yeah.
You can use the house without him.
Even if he's out of office.
It would just be out of office.
He can do that if he's in office.
But you know what I mean?
It just can't be that he's in the house at all.
I don't think I would feel right about that.
I don't think he should be there.
Well, he should be in the country.
I think that's true.
And if we don't fight, we pick another place.
Why not stop when we can't stop each other?
Maybe we don't stop any place.
How about Eastern?
Is there any other questions we could do?
I mean, the Ireland thing, maybe it's not be a good idea, but Ireland's a problem.
Ireland's a problem.
I'd like to ask you about that, too.
Is there any other questions we could do?
Not to me, it's all right.
Stay in place.
Stay in place.
And you had to take a helicopter over to town.
Yeah.
You wouldn't have to take a helicopter over to town.
You could just go in there and say, it's the U.S. base.
You've done it in Portugal, so you wouldn't have to take it.
You wouldn't have to take it.
We're going back to a place that you've already been, so there isn't all the fuss about a new arrival in the morning, air dinners, and all that kind of stuff.
Because they've already done it.
I think that I would have been a pleasure to sit with and see.
Well, I think he probably would, but he probably would have settled just for meeting at the airport.
Or that I was a problem.
I'm trying to claim for the Irish vote.
Is that a bad one?
It's not an effective stay in Ireland.
I don't agree with those that you go to Ireland.
But I do think you're going to have some hell racing about in Northern Ireland.
And it's a hell of a sensitive issue.
A lot of it, if you don't go higher than that, you figure any place other than that can be a source of radiation back there.
It wasn't much.
It's no problem.
We just don't go any closer.
That is a problem.
Why?
Timing.
Too long a flight.
Oh, you can get it in at a time that's not going to be the worst.
I don't know, maybe it's not.
Maybe we should figure on just going right on in.
If we do that, see, there ain't no where it's off.
Do that and arrive late at night, maybe.
I wouldn't like to as well arrive late at night because you won't be able to sleep anyway.
If we could get them to agree to no mean the next day at 3 o'clock or something.
Because they aren't going to want you to arrive late at night.
I don't think that's right.
It's better for us.
And let's see if there's any other place we could stop.
How about a neutral country?
Switzerland or Austria?
You don't want to get to the end of it.
It kind of takes you to it.
I don't know what the hell they're saying there.
You've got to go to the problem there, don't you?
It's flexible.
Of course, if you get into Geneva or something like that, then you've got a problem there, too.
Well, and all the other stuff that's going on.
Can you come in there and be left alone?
Yes.
If you don't go to Geneva, go to Lucerne or something.
Kind of like the city of Lucerne or something.
Zurich.
Some nice, they've all got big airports.
Or Salisbury or Austria, for example.
Rather than the capital.
And just get a Chevrolet or something.
You know.
And we just, the Ireland thing worries me.
We're going to, I don't think we can do it on tape.
I just like the sound of it.
And, uh...
But I think if we could go into, uh, into Austria, Salisbury might be very good.
But rather than, rather than that, for Switzerland, you would Innsbruck or Luzern.
Luzern would be very nice.
Luzern sounds awfully good.
It is time to stay both times.
I bet it's the same.
I think both guys are good.
That's the hotel housing facilities.
I wonder if the service is going to foster their place because the non-person will be there.
No, it won't be that.
Tourist season.
Tourist season.
Tourist season does start with June and it's the weather ought to be fairly good.
It won't be very good.
It'll be cold.
However, I'll just say it'll be cold with the sun.
But it
Well, you aren't going to do anything anyway.
The Swiss woman told me that Austria presents a little problem.
Why not sign this possibility?
Well, she was far away from the ship.
I just think we ought to knock them off.
There's no way you can handle that.
And the way to do that is arrive there Saturday evening and agree to meet with whoever you have to, the Swiss government.
Somebody has to meet you.
and let them escort you to your guest house and have a half hour courtesy session with them.
That night, because it would still be early here at the time, right?
That's right.
And then explain to them that Sunday you must have off.
In other words, you have to work Sunday.
That you're working and then Monday you leave for Moscow.
I don't know why that wouldn't work.
Try to just not be out.
We should not come from an American military base.
That's a double V8 service, right?
So I'm screwed.
Ten minutes.
It'll be a different.
I think this may not make sense.
They aren't the best place to stay if you get a job in that little hotel.
But I don't know if they're the right choice.
It's like a good Swiss hotel.
There isn't any place where I can't stay for the maintenance because that girl wants to be there to look.
Yeah, but you might need somebody to return.
It's kind of a nice stop.
And the lake there, it's a pleasant place to be.
You get one of those hotels with a big window looking out.
It's just kind of a nice place to work for a day.
I think you've done a little thinking on that, Bob, and the other, get the drug names set for 2020, but let's start getting around there.
You don't think I could do a press thing, maybe, you know, I've got to work on this speech.
I don't think you should.
I don't think, maybe my concern about getting this stuff straight is wrong.
I don't think it's going to do it.
They're going to ask the same questions.
Let them ask them.
Let them be the leader of the meeting.
You know, that isn't going to help a bunch.
Some people will.
It gives us something to work with.
It gives us a reference point.
People ask you, what do you mean by National Press?
Have you read the Peterborough?
Now, you know what he needs a lot of it.
Now, I'm not encouraging that.
You could still give it to him.
You could tell him that he will get the next court appointment after, that would give him a chance to go out and make some money for a while, which he also wants to do.
He may not still want the court.
He may want to go into this media job.
Well, he, is it his line?
Is that you think is what he's talking about?
I think so.
And if they haven't, I'm sure they would.
What kind of a media job did I offer?
What I was offering, if I were CBS... Director of News?
No, sir.
I was offering a commentator role.
I paid them about $500,000 a year.
Boy, they have one hell of a lot of that over there.
Because we have a third of the country coming in every night to see us in here acting.
Look at you.
Look at the audience.
And I'd give complete freedom to rip up the media, the news, everything else.
It would be the easiest way in the world for them to get back.
It also makes it interesting.
I really thought, speaking of CBS, that that was the highest I heard of Hillary.
That's something which she wrote on until it got to be the bird.
He had money and silver.
Charming little lady.
Charming little lady.
And then that same news for the autumn comes.
If you've ever heard of Gray's, I would think of it.
Goddamn, he got scoched through there.
He didn't see her again.
So it comes.
The ball bounces around a lot, doesn't it?
Doesn't show you how damn cynical those people are.
They know better than I do.
They know damn well what she is and what she's done.
I'm actually going to tell you that I've got a liver that can fall down and stink and dead across the Capitol steps.
They will not report it.
Fort Watson, I was off here in Paris, makes a passage through it and it's reported.
I won't have it.
But we'll see.
Don't tell you to get a ticket.
Don't ever leave.
But I think of all those kids in the S.A. that are in airplanes and trains and everything, I think they believe me, that worries me less.
Yeah, it's the Watsons.
Yeah, really.
Unless his wife decided to divorce him or something like that.
That's the cause of the problem.
But he's not going to do that.
He's a bastard.
Maybe he is, but I can't attract him.
But my point is that Watson has our confidence.
This is terrible.
The loss is going to go down in the ocean.
It's an accident.
It's May.
Friday, May 3, Wall Street, John Crow.
It's Monday.
I also authorized to do the archives in May before Los Angeles.
I said, the time's not good.
You agree?
Yeah.
I wonder if you shouldn't do a White House reception for them.
Not a speech.
You shouldn't go speak to them.
But if you've got all the editors here, I wonder if it is a good idea to have them come over to the house with their wives, plow through a line.
You got what's done on my view about the Easter service?
Army Corps?
Yes, Army Corps.
Do you like it?
I think it's great.
Lots of music.
Who can read this character?
Somebody can.
They get a moment of silence.
Well, I think let's do the silence.
That's a good idea.
We'll have a discussion and so forth.
You can follow it.
I haven't seen a few songs.
Two songs.
We'll have a security meeting.
That's great.
I'm sorry to read it to you.
What did you say?
Oh, this is it.
They're here.
I agree.
Fantastic.
I love TV, though.
On the gridiron?
Well, TV doesn't have a similar kind of... On the gridiron, certainly.
I'm inclined to think there are people who are not reporters.
You understand?
No.
Publishers from around the country.
No.
People who are in the building.
You understand?
Buildings.
Get clients, get them.
You do control.
Don't take clients to a spot.
Next April, what, on the publishers?
No, the editors?
The editors, yeah.
Is around the 20th?
19th, 20th, somewhere in there.
Of April?
Yeah.
Sure.
Do you want to try it later?
The Q&A is...
I'm better so bad at it.
Well, you did it last year.
Why do it again?
Oh, they're trying to get the children back.
No.
That's having a recession.
But I don't think we should ignore them in an election.
They're going to be here.
Well, it's not a delightful recession.
It's a little different.
We can work up something.
Try to get the law on it.
about having a tattoo or, uh, another bad thing, that probably is to come to that Army and have a reception, go through here, uh, and then have the Army shake all their hands and then let them drink up their booze and then go out and see the tattoo or whatever it was.
Anyway, I agree with you.
I have no doubt, I'm all for anything that will help at this point.
That's why I've authorized to come here on time.
So we're turning down, you know, the speech tech things.
I don't think you should do those.
We don't.
They're a lot of work.
And we don't think we're going to tell them.
So I hope that they can tell you soon.
They're very important people.
I want to show you one of them here.
The other one we've got to get out of is the NPA.
Well, those are public, they have more effective measures in Dorset, you know.
Why, they make fighter jets close again.
When is that?
See, it doesn't have to be New York.
That's the New York line of activity.
April 25th, which is when you were going to be in California.
Well, good.
Now, then, you've just got to have something else to do.
Oh, well, as soon as you get the publishers of the gridiron.
Now, do the publishers of the gridiron.
And the problem is, if you do that, you have to do the video advertising or the AD.
It's the White House.
Oh, yeah, it's the White Eye.
It's anywhere in the city.
And I'm certainly not going to build it.
Period.
So that's how we've got it.
See?
All right.
Okay.
All right.