Conversation 691-003

TapeTape 691StartTuesday, March 21, 1972 at 4:12 PMEndTuesday, March 21, 1972 at 4:56 PMTape start time00:05:01Tape end time00:41:54ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Bull, Stephen B.;  Manescu, Maneo;  Bogdan, Cornelius;  Stein, Herbert;  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;  Schaller, Charles W.;  Mitran, Mircea;  White House photographerRecording deviceOval Office

On March 21, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Maneo Manescu, Corneliu Bogdan, Herbert Stein, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Charles W. Schaller, Mircea Mitran, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:12 pm to 4:56 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 691-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 691-3

Date: March 21, 1972
Time: 4:21 pm - 4:56 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull, Manea Manescu, Corneliu Bogdan, Herbert Stein,
Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Charles W. Schaller and Mircea Mitran; the White House photographer
was present at the beginning of the meeting.
     Greetings

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:56 pm.

     Seating

     Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Greetings from Nicolae Ceausescu

     The Ceausescu’s previous meeting with the President and Mrs. Nixon
          -Bucharest
          -White House

     The President's previous meetings with Ceausescu
          -Reception
          -The President’s previous meetings with Manescu

     Manescu's present visit
         -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
               -Stein

     Romania
         -Relations with the US
               -The President's visit, 1969
         -Political, economic, cultural and technical relations
               -Personnel exchanges
               -Delegation
               -Economy
                      -Development -Export-Import [Ex-Im] Bank
                            -Overseas Private Investment Corporation [OPIC]
                      -Most Favored Nation [MFN] status for Romania
                            -Romanian public opinion
                                  -Manescu's visits
                                       -Factories
                                       -Villages
         -International Relations
               -Trade
                      -Balance with western and socialist countries
                      -Détente
               -Romanian principles
                      -Independence
                      -Equality
                      -Freedom
                      -Non-interference
                      -International process
                            -Romania relations with the US
                            -Romania economy
                            -Romania society
               -Ceausescu’s visit to Africa
                     -Message of friendship
                           -Developing countries
                     -Contribution to détente
                -The President's trip to the People's Republic of China [PRC]
                     -Ceausescu’s view
                     -Romanian public opinion
                     -Benefit to international relations
                     -Talks, Meetings
                     -Communique
                           -Principles
                                 -Non-interference, equal rights, renunciation of force
                                 -Concurrence with Romanian principles
                                 -International relations
                                        -Importance
                     -Appreciation of Romanian people
                -The President's trip to the Soviet Union
                     -Importance
                           -Principles of international relations
                           -Soviet-US relations
                -Romanian contributions
                     -Negotiations
                           -Indochina
                           -Middle East
                -European Security Conference

Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:21 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Arrival of Gerard C. Smith [?]

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:56 pm.

     Romania
         -European Security Conference
         -Desire for peace

     The President
          -Greetings to Ceausescu
               -Previous meetings
                     -The President’s previous trip to Romania
                          -Visit to a socialist country
                     -US-Soviet Union relations
                     -US-PRC relations
                          -Socialist leaders’ opposition to the President’s PRC trip
                                -Soviet Union
                                -Ceausescu's acceptance

     Romania
         -The President's foreign trips to the PRC and the Soviet Union
              -US-Romanian relations
                      -The President's assurance
           -MFN status
                -Vietnam
           -Relations with the US
                -Economy
                -Ceausescu's talks with the President
                      -Reception for the President
           -Large compared to small nations
                -Independence of smaller nations
                      -US
                            -Comparison with Romania

     The President's response to Ceausescu’s letter

     Romanian tennis players

     Farewells

Manescu, et. al. left at 4:56 pm.

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Well, we will sit over here.
I would like to say a few words.
I would like to say a few words.
I would like to say a few words.
I would like to give you a message of friendship, health and happiness.
The President has handed in his message.
The President is pleased.
Also, Mrs. Ceaușescu, I am very grateful to you for the opportunity to meet with you and Ms. Neeson.
Mrs. Ceaușescu has asked me also to compare your best moment or greetings to Mrs. Neeson.
Mr. President, Mrs. Ceaușescu and Mrs. Ceaușescu often evoke the meetings I had with you and Ms. Neeson during your visit to Bucharest.
President and Mrs. Ceaușescu very often recall their warm experiences in meeting you in Bucharest and both their experience of visiting the White House.
We always recall with joy the friendly reception which our people have given to you when you visited our country.
In 1967, in 1969 and here, when our presidents were in America, they represented a very important moment for the development of multilateral relations between countries and peoples.
The meetings and the talks President Ceaușescu has had with Mr. President in 67, in 69, and in 70 have represented a particularly important moment in the development of the relations between our two countries.
Mr. President, I was very happy to meet you twice, in 1967 and in 1969, when I was in Bucharest.
I personally have been happy to meet you, Mr. President, when you came to Bucharest in 1967 and 1969, and I am so happy that you could receive me today.
I have come here as an invitation from the Council of Economic Managers
And I have to thank Mr. Stein and the American government for the warm reception we have enjoyed since our coming here and for the wonderful way in which our clubs are developing with the view to develop our relations.
Our President told me once again to share his appreciation
Our President has not been to a convention to view once more his warm appreciation for the development of our relations.
commercial cooperation, technical cooperation, scientific and cultural cooperation, exchanges and the exchange of different personalities,
Americans in our country and in your country, people of science and culture, who all of them have brought a contribution for us to know each other more and to strengthen the trust between the people and the country.
Since your visit in 69, the political, economic, cultural and scientific relations between our two countries have been only continuous positive development and the exchange of persons, both in science, economics and personalities of the two governments have helped and are helping to develop these relations.
The presence of Sikhs in this delegation, I am leading the structure of the Gregorian Constitution into this process.
Our President told me today that he was particularly impressed by the fact that the relations between our countries on an economic level have developed.
They have changed the potential of the beginning of the recovery of the European Union.
The President asked me to convey to you that how much he appreciated the multilateral development of our relations, that the relations in the field of economic and technical cooperation have begun to take a positive role.
And she thanks you for whatever you have done to improve this relationship, to have this relationship developed.
The explanation is that it is actually now the development of experts is important.
Your kind attention-giver to the world is the Overseas Private Investment Corporation which has been extended to you.
His world has four various other facilities which have been of nature to help the development of the economic relations between our two countries.
I would be very grateful to you if you would intervene in a more special way so that your country would have the most famous national anthem.
And I hope that this problem will soon be resolved, which will help us a lot in the expansion of commercial exchanges, in the development of economic and trade relations.
The President would be very grateful if the MFL clause would also be submitted in writing to Romania and he is grateful for what Europe has done and the administration has done to this point.
and he expresses his hope that this will be solved soon enough to contribute to the widening of perspective of our relations in the economic field as well as in all other fields.
Mr. President, our public opinion and the whole of our people is informed by the way in which the Romanian-American relations are developing.
Mr. President, our people, the public opinion in Romania is fully informed on the way the American relations... And our people regards with sympathy the development of these relations.
I am a man who goes regularly to meetings, to institutions.
and I hear many times people responding, even from the table of the workers, telling us that when we receive the most valued applause, we consider a very important thing
for the development of the economy in the last few years.
These are the people, Mr. President, who welcomed you with so much warmth on the route from the airport to your residence, and there are no places where you have visited them.
These are very often the same people, Mr. President, who have greeted you on your way from the airport to your residence in Bucharest and who have expressed their hopes on the development of our relations.
These people, our people, contributed to this opening that we have made in the past.
This people, the Romanian people, have brought a contribution to the contribution our country has made to the development of the international relations between our countries and other countries.
It wasn't easy for us to make these changes, so that half of our economic exchanges could make their way to the West.
For us it was not easy to strike this balance that our economic exchanges are now equally divided 50% with the East, 50% with the West.
We deliberately did this because we believe the diversification of our relations is a contribution both into the development of East-West relations and into the development of the touch and understanding among
You are aware of our political principles, which President Ceaușescu said in his speech.
They are essential principles for us.
and we consider for all peoples to respect the independence, the national sovereignty, inter-ethnic relations, the legal status and the basic rights.
You know, Mr. President, the principles which President Ceaușescu has presented to you, these, in our view, are sacred principles of independence, equality, freedom, and interference in other affairs.
And these are now important in the development of international relations.
Our President is sure that all those who
have appreciated and will surely appreciate the master's gifts for collaboration and cooperation between peoples, we will receive in our actions for independent economic development.
The President is certain that those who do appreciate our contributions in this international process, in this development of normalization among states, will help us in strengthening our strength and developing our economy and our society.
And with your permission, I would like to conclude with a few considerations of the international problems.
With your permission, I will conclude by presenting some consideration on international developments which are present.
The President is on a trip to Africa.
He is visiting 8 countries to convey the message of friendship and solidarity of the Romanian people for the developing countries.
Our president is currently in a visit in Africa where he will visit the countries to bring the message of friendship of the Romanian people and our message of development of relations and sympathy for the developing countries.
This visit is a part of our President's effort to make his contribution to the time and cooperation among nations.
I am very happy to tell you that he received with great warmth and sympathy the visit of you and of Mrs. Nixon.
The President has asked me to convey to you that he has received the highest appreciation in your visit and talks with the King and the people of the Republic of China.
The public opinion of the Romanian people has been in detail informed on all stages of the development of your visit and talks, including the detailed and full text of the communique on your visit in China.
Our President, our entire state leadership, our entire Romanian people appreciate the conversion
The President, the State Leadership of Romania, our people considers
Your negotiation with the Chinese-American talks has a historic contribution to the development of international relations of the highest importance for the international system.
President, our people consider that the meeting that took place between you and the German rulers
Of course, it concerns bilateral relations between your countries and peoples, but at the same time it is a very important problem for all peoples of the world
The President and our people consider that the talks you had in China are primarily of importance for American-Chinese relations, but at the same time they regard them as having a paramount importance for the development of international cooperation.
A statement that was given by the President is of fundamental importance
for the entire international life, for the relationship between all states of the world, for the respect of the independence and freedom of the nation, for the principle of equality of rights between countries, for the non-intervention, for the non-return to force or the union with force,
direct and direct advantage in the relations between countries of peaceful coexistence.
Also, our president and our people appreciated the fact that two big countries, two big countries, got engaged so as not to allow hegemony
nor of a country over a certain area of the world, not to embrace the world in a sphere of influence, not to be connected to it by the great states of consciousness, consciousness and consciousness.
All these principles of communication are the principles at which our country
has joined, because our president has militated with a lot of people and we consider that if they are involved in the relations between the state and the people, they will help a lot to peace and progress in the world.
President, I have a question for the President.
In the communique are principles of parallel importance, of cultural importance for the development of the international relations.
Principles like the economic affairs in other aspects, equality of state, the renunciation of force or the use of force.
These are principles which are of greatest importance for our president and for international life.
Our president has himself consequently promoted them and we think that in
contribution to the international process is of the highest importance.
These are the reasons why our leadership and our framework has given the highest appreciation to your visit in China and to its contribution to the international development.
Our President also considers that your visit to the Soviet Union will be a historical visit if it will be anchored in the spirit of principles
of conducting, of collaborating on the part of the principles that animate all peoples in the world of equality in the rights of these people.
The President also posted that you're coming visit in the USSR.
This can be of also a very high historical importance if it will be successful in promoting the same principles, in promoting the relations between the United States and the USSR on the basis of those cardinal principles which you have discussed.
This is why our people believe in the success of this initiative that you have proposed.
That's why our people believe in the success of your coming visit to Moscow, too.
In the context of today's international events, when there are even more opportunities to prepare a climate of mutual understanding, we consider that
are in even better condition because we are pushing away the wars and conflicts that exist in the world on political and intellectual grounds.
In the context of this framework of international life of the new climate, we believe that there are reasons and there are enough possibilities and ways to open for us to contribute to the liquidation of the open conflict existing in the various parts of the world through political means, through negotiations.
So he didn't have any right to achieve this.
He continued with Apache.
because in the shortest time we can solve, with the strength of the hands of all peoples, these problems that remained hidden in the world.
The President is confident that this approach will soon be fruitful in solving these open conflicts between Indochina and the Middle East.
where you know that we have taken a series of initiatives, that we are working very hard to convene the European General Conference of Cooperation and Collaboration.
We consider that there are conditions for convening and our President is asking for your approval in this regard.
We also pay the greatest attention to the development of European security.
In our view, the development in Europe has brought us closer to the conditions.
of preparing the European Security Conference and the President appears to your help in bringing this to the table.
Mr. President, our President told me to make it clear to you that it is so complex what you have said that it must be prepared for a century of peace.
The President has asked me to convey to you that he is equally devoted to your accession to, of course, into the generation of this generation.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you for letting me to tell you these things from my perspective.
Well, I would like for my best wishes to be conveyed to the President and to Jessica.
We recall our meeting with them in 1969 and 1971.
It was the first socialist country I visited since becoming president.
And history may well record that that visit was the beginning of a new era of relationships between the United States of America, the major non-socialist country, and the other countries in the world like Romania and, of course, the U.S. and Soviet Union.
It is very possible that history will say that this was the beginning of a new era in the relations between the United States and certain socialist countries, including Romania, and the Chinese popular groups.
President Francesco will remember that we discussed when he was here in 1971 and when I was there in 1969 the problem of relationships between the United States and the Soviet Union, between the United States and the PRC.
Speaking quite honestly, there were some leaders of the socialist countries who opposed
Our visit to the PRC, we felt that it was basically a move against the Soviet Union.
President Francesco was one of those unique leaders who saw that if we were ready to have a peaceful world, it was essential that the United States have good relations, if possible, with the Soviet Union and the PRC, and not one against the other.
To tell you the truth, I was a member of the Socialist Party, which I wasn't for this visit.
But Mr. President Ceaușescu said that it is important to have good relations between socialist countries and non-socialist countries.
And he was also in the States.
I say this because Romania has good relations with the Soviet Union, as well as with the Republican Republic and the United States.
And we, however, want the President to share that as we seek better relations in historic meetings with the major countries, the PRC and the Soviet Union, that we do not do so at the expense of
are a good relationship, a friendship with the language language.
We will move forward on that thing.
Because the first person knows when the
at the earliest possible time, that Romania has the highest priority in that respect.
As Vietnam recedes for the first time, rapidly approaches medicine.
But in the meantime, Romania can't cover the friendship of the United States or economic cooperation on exchange in all the areas that have initiated the result of President Francescu's talks with me.
I do not think that Romania can be sure that it will be able to continue to develop its relations with the United States.
Thank you.
and speaking in a personal sense, we'll always remember the warm welcome that you see from the rest of the community, and we will always have a very special place in our hearts
Speaking to you personally, we will always remember our vision for Romania through our vision as a home for the growth of the European Union and the Romanian people.
Romania will always be a special part of our hearts.
while the eyes of the world are now on the meetings between the big nations, that I am one who recognizes the unique independence and the right to survive of the smaller nations as well.
Each has its equal place and an equal right to independence.
That is the principle that I've shown.
I especially ask you to remind them, Mr. Refleshi, Mr. Ceaușescu, that although many will concentrate their attention on the meetings between the big countries, I am one who considers, and has always considered, that the relations with the big countries are not that great.
See, we always remember that the United States was once a much smaller community.
We have to keep in mind that he was such a great pianist, he was much more than a pianist.
I thank you very much.
We appreciate the chance to speak with you.
I wish you a happy and happy life.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Patterson.
They are your tennis players.
Yeah, they're very good.
Very good.
They're very good.
Strong, strong people.
Good to see you again.
Thank you very much.
Great job.