Conversation No. 691-7

Date: March 21, 1972
Time: 5:48 pm - 7:00 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Raymond P. Shafer, John D. Ehrlichman and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.

     Greetings

     The President’s schedule
          -Arms control
          -[Nihat Erim, Manea Manescu]

     Shafer’s report
          -Vietnam
          -Copies
          -Marijuana

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 5:48 pm.
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                        Conv. No. 691-7 (cont.)

     Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:21 pm.

     Marijuana
          -Schools of thought
                -Users and non-users of marijuana
                      -Objectivity
          -President’s Commission on Marijuana report
                -Research
                -Harold E. Hughes
                -Jacob K. Javits
                -Tim Lee Carter
                -Paul G. Rogers
                -Mitchell Ware

The White House photographer entered and left at an unknown time after 5:48 pm.

              -Legalization
              -Discouragement policy
                    -Youth
              -Differences from other drugs
                    -Heroin
                    -Cocaine
                    -Amphetamines
                    -Barbituates
                    -Hallucinogens
                    -Volatile solvents
              -Symbolism
              -User
                    -Education and discouragement
                          -Responsibility
                                -Family
                                -Church
                                -Medical profession
                                -Police
                                      -Efforts to arrest drug dealers
          -Commission news conference
              -Commission's report presented to the President
                    -The President’s approval
                    -Ehrlichman
                    -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
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-Members of the Commission
     -Dr. Dana L. Farnsworth
     -Maurice H. Seevers
           -Southern Methodist University [SMU]
     -Charles O. Galvin
     -John A. Howard
           -Rockford College
     -Congressional members
           -Javits
           -Hughes
-Legalization
     -Alcohol model
-Shafer’s public statements
     -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Penalties
-Decriminalization of possession
-Supply
-Children
     -Arrest and prosecution
-Penalties
     -Spain and Greece
           -Family and Church
     -India
     -Morocco
           -Hashish
-Press
-Legalization
     -Shafer’s previous appearance on CBS
           -Comparison to Prohibition
                 -Decriminalization of possession
-Commission report
     -Javits
     -Ware
     -Howard
     -John F. Cooney
     -Legalization
     -Proposals
           -Review
           -Scientific studies
                 -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
                 -American Bar Association [ABA]
                 -American Medical Association [AMA]
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                                                                Conv. No. 691-7 (cont.)

                           -Potential harm
               -Penalties for drug dealers
               -Heroin
                     -Physical addiction
                     -Compared to marijuana
                           -1937 statute
                                 -Myths
                           -Youth
                           -Jerry Rubin
                                 -Crime
                                       -Myth
               -Shafer’s view
               -Private personal possession
               -Public
                     -Criminal act
               -Influence of marijuana
                     -Compared to alcohol
          -Effect on nation
          -Youth
               -Experience
          -Compared to hashish
               -India and Malaysia
                     -Cooking
                           -Marijuana
          -Forthcoming press conference
               -Shafer
                     -Opposition to legalization of marijuana
                     -Commission report
                           -The President

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:48 pm.

     The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:21 pm.

     Marijuana
          -Press conference
               -Commission report
                     -Legalization of marijuana
                     -Recommendations
                     -The President’s position
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                Conv. No. 691-7 (cont.)

                    -Submission of report
          -Democratic presidential candidates
              -George S. McGovern
              -Edmund S. Muskie
              -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
              -George C. Wallace
              -John V. Lindsay
              -McGovern
              -Humphrey
                    -Busing issue
                          -Change in position
                    -Muskie
                    -Segregation
                    -Elderly


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     Presidential gifts
          -Paperweight

     Soviet trip

     Shafer's
          -Forthcoming talk with Ehrlichman
          -Future meeting with the President

     Marijuana Commission
          -Report
               -The President's endorsement

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:48 pm.
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     Shafer’s schedule
          -Secretary

Shafer, Krogh and Bull left at 6:21 pm.

     International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
           -Document
                -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                      -J. Edgar Hoover
                      -Examination
                      -ITT experts
                      -The President's forthcoming talk with Hoover
                      -Ehrlichman's forthcoming call to Hoover
                            -Cooperation
                            -Ehrlichman's possible meeting with Hoover
                            -Examination of ITT document
                                  -ITT experts
                                        -Possession of the FBI
                                             -L. Patrick Gray, III
                            -The President's note to Hoover
                            -Use of telephone
                            -Jack N. Anderson

     Shafer [?]

     The President’s schedule
          -[Erim]

     [No conversation]

     Dorothy Kirsten
          -State Dinners
                -Dwight D. Eisenhower

     [No conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Church services [?]
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                                                              Conv. No. 691-7 (cont.)

    State dinner
          -Guest lists

    [No conversation]

    World War I
        -Turkey
             -Gallippoli
                   -Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
                   -Winston S. Churchill
                   -Allies
                         -Erim's statement

    Shafer Commission
         -Report
              -Ehrlichman’s view
                    -Carter
                    -Howard
              -Legalization of the use of marijuana
                    -Public compared to private use
                    -Ehrlichman and Krogh
                          -Shafer
              -The President's forthcoming press conference
              -Legalization issue
                    -Youth
                          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman


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                                                                Conv. No. 691-7 (cont.)

                     -Ehrlichman's children
          -Use of marijuana
               -Ehrlichman's speech before the Harvard Club
                     -Question from youth
                           -Legalization
                                -The President
                                -Drug users compared to non users
                                -Applause
               -Compared to alcohol
                     -The President
                           -The People's Republic of China [PRC]
                     -Happy compared to unhappy people
                     -Addiction
                           -Cure
          -Legalization issue
               -Jaffe
               -Krogh
               -Jaffe
                     -ABA
                           -Edward Bennett Williams
                                -Heroin maintenance
                     -Krogh
                           -Talk with Ehrlichman
               -The President
               -The report
                     -Evidence
                           -Scientific

Ehrlichman’s schedule

Busing
     -Humphrey's view
         -Change
         -The President's television address, March 16, 1972

Humphrey
    -Change in positions
         -Press reaction
         -Vietnam
         -War
         -Crime
         -Civil rights
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           -Welfare
                 -Florida
     -Plan for elderly Jews

The President's busing speech
     -Edward M. Kennedy's view
           -Staff
           -Equal educational opportunity
           -Blacks
                 -Liberals
                       -Compassion
     -The President's previous statement, March 24, 1970
     -Blacks
     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
     -Minority businesses
     -Television
     -Children
     -Liberals
     -The President’s previous trip to New York City
           -Interaction with black government employees
     -James E. Cheek
           -President of Howard University
           -Letter to the President
     -As issue
     -Constitutionality
           -Congress
                 -Remedy compared to right
                       -Desegregation
                       -Legislation
     -Administration blacks
     -Efforts with editorial boards and television
           -Harry S. Dent
           -Edward L. Morgan
           -Kenneth W. Clawson
           -South
           -Texas
     -News summary
           -Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
     -South
           -Opposition
     -Denver
     -Indianapolis
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      -Intervention by the Justice Department
            -Richard G. Kleindienst
                  -Talk with Ehrlichman
                       -Michigan
                       -Nashville
                       -Texas
                              -Morgan
                                    -Justice Department position
      -Legislation
            -Moratorium
                  -Conference committee
            -Constitutional amendment
                  -Strom Thurmond
                  -Possibility of passage

ITT
      -J. Edgar Hoover
      -Talk with Ehrlichman
            -Anderson
      -Document (Dita D. Beard memorandum)
            -Gray
                  -James O. Eastland
                  -Tests conducted in New York
                       -Questioning
                  -Colson
                  -Decision
                  -Public statement
            -FBI experts
            -White House strategy
      -Hearings
            -Beard testimony
            -Denver
            -Eastland
                  -Edward .M. Kennedy's witnesses
            -Mike J. Mansfield
      -Beard memorandum
            -Authenticity
      -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew comments
            -Life magazine story
                  -Press coverage
                  -Kleindienst comments
                       -Justice Department
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                                  -Clifford Irving
                                  -Look magazine
           -Life magazine
           -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
           -Postal subsidy
                 -Life magazine
                 -Peter M. Flanigan's views
                 -Esquire

     Pay Board
          -George Meany
          -George P. Shultz
               -Meany
                     -Democrat
               -Public members
               -Meany's resignation
                     -Effect on Phase II
          -Food prices
          -Longshoremen strike
          -Labor representatives
          -Wage and price controls
               -The President’s August 15, 1971 statement
          -Economy
          -Food prices
               -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
               -Dock strike
                     -Duration
                     -Effect on economy
                     -Congress
                          -Legislation
                          -Herbert Stein

     The President’s forthcoming state dinner for Erim

Ehrlichman left at 7:00 pm.
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