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You know, it's just, it's your service.

You know, we're perfect with the format of taking more children.

I've answered that.

I'm not going to do it.

It's about a good couple.

So the general permission covered ahead a lot of it, and the answer is that we want to do it.

I didn't think you would do that on Halloween.

I didn't do it?

I think that maybe you were overestimating the point that on Halloween you've got to respond every time.

Well, I was listening with that thought in mind, whether this was a product focus.

I don't think it is because of the way you do it.

The one that might have been a problem on the

Well, that's fine.

You've covered that.

I have no further comment.

That's fine, I'm telling you.

The one where you might have a problem would be the, uh, the Justice Department watching the investigation in San Diego.

The authority covered that.

I've noticed they follow up on GE and say, now just a minute, we haven't covered that.

We can cover the other thing.

But they don't follow up.

And you, the other thing that's on the television, you have control over.

You can prohibit that from following up by turning in the next question.

The next question I could is, where'd you go to do that?

And that's obviously the answer to it.

And without a follow-up, that's where I heard he came in.

There's some lousy questions.

That wasn't a really .

You have to meet with them.

Try to get down and watch.

It's an old school.

You get the old school, right?

Yeah.

I don't think he would have had any problem with that.

Even though you told him that you're not going to help him.

Now, I consider the same legal question to be part of the case.

Do you even know what it is?

It's a portion of the investigation.

Yeah, well, it's pretty confirmation.

Why are they bringing up the question of the pain?

Because it involves a condemnation of punishments.

I said I was not going to comment on this matter.

That's all here is to be done.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you.

Does that go, what's her name that asked the cash flow question?

Marijuana question, I think that's a good answer.

Well, I oppose legalizing sale, possession, or use.

Well, that's clear, unequivocal, and final.

It doesn't leave any doubt about it.

Maybe I, you know, back off a little.

We can't do it.

We should try to fuzz these things up.

And I believe it's a positive thing.

Why not?

Yeah, I like that.

Well, you've got your picture on our progress and desegregation and the new money point that also hit that NBC show, which was damn good.

You know, there's...

And heading back to California, sorry, got a different story.

Got convinced for education.

And also there's the same thing on that.

I figured that the one thing that they haven't done, and this should be done,

with Buchanan, Ziegler, and maybe any staff all together, and they should say, don't give me any points, but what are five points you'd like the president to get across?

Rather than, you know, they all take their care over how they have answers in terms of answering the goddamn questions, Bob.

That's fine, but what the hell does that prove?

Let's put it across what we want.

I think that I wanted to get across the fact that I was pissed off about the way that I was in food prices.

I sure did.

I was pissed off that I was at the Paris conference.

That was the other one I got in.

The filibuster line.

We tried to break the filibuster.

That's a good line.

That's right.

And then I also wanted to get across the line around busing.

That busing created racism.

It was very uneducated.

I bet in fact the moratorium is constitutional.

You done, buddy?

There's, that's not formal.

Well, you got that also.

Well, you had the offensive point on it, how it all kind of grew in the Kennedy and Johnson.

That's right.

And then we hit it.

And you got it.

And you made, you gave them a zinger on that, that that wasn't, you haven't seen that.

Yeah.

Three, four years ago.

Someone may pick that up.

That's what's wrong.

It's been certain.

We covered a hell of a lot of ground.

I was faster, but I like to move along my bench.

I'm quick and I talk fast.

I don't think it's different because, you know, it's good just to be comfortable in that motion.

Like the Watson thing, because you have to kind of stroke down there.

I said, he's conducting himself with great confidence.

So I said, I'm going to do it.

Let the sons of bitches know that we're not going to let them get away with this.

Well, and then you've got the meeting thing.

They've got a good chance on that.

But a great many of these members possibly even a majority of them.

And also, and there's a public meeting every day.

I've heard others have said it, but I've never said it.

And when some of his weak spine business colleagues were worried about his funds on the Charter, the National Security used his funds.

You can't complain about that.

You praised him where he deserves it and then said he's out of step on this thing.

And that the majority of his members were gaming because they had an increase in real wages.

Yeah, and that's your real wage for the first time in five years.

All there was was a case of ending our own funds.

All it's good to do is just sit in bed and do anything that you want, I guess.

Because it really doesn't do much to us.

It does a lot of good, but it doesn't do a fraction of the good that you're doing on television.

It does, as far as the substance is concerned, it probably does more of it, at least as much.

But that doesn't matter.

And as far as the praise is concerned,

Concerns, if you want.

See, nobody will say the president appealed it.

God, look at the range of questions.

There was a good range this time.

They didn't give them up in one area.

Okay, sometimes.

Really, they gave them up.

Not just one.

They gave them up in one bank.

And they all got together for four.

But this, you covered the whole range, really.

Busing, inflation, Canada, China, Russia.

Vietnam, Vietnam.

Political contribution, business, and IT&T, all that stuff that you had to do.

The idea of political contribution.

Marijuana.

Waxing.

Mean.

Agony.

Blindness.

Third.

Half of them were negative questions, maybe.

But nobody will say it.

A far-ranging press conference, President Nixon covered 21 questions, 21 questions ranging again from all the key world affairs points of Paris, Moscow, Cuba, China, to all the domestic points of busing marijuana political contributions

Justice Department Actions, you'll get not a goddamn whiteboard, you'll get not a goddamn word out of there.

So you never have an indication, you never give them a note about it.

You know, you don't get any credit on these things.

Much is quiet, and the other extent we do is they just, they don't write it.

That's true.

They refuse to comment on them, and so forth and so on and so on.

Well, in the event that you were, you didn't have to mind about, uh, that vehicle question.

I'm sure they understand.

That's part of Ponzi's combination.

Oh, I think that's right.

And that's the one they could have followed up on and said, well, we haven't really, because it hasn't been brought in.

They could copy it now.

Now that I've said, all right, the Justice Department has responded.

Yep.

They didn't.

I don't know what to give up.

It's about finance.

Whatever it is, why do they bring it up?

I don't know.

What's the link between Paris and the Congress?

Well, they link with Paris personally.

You know, ordered the suspension of Paris talks, the break of propaganda, the pull on propaganda, the filibuster, left the door open to negotiate with the Congress, the public and private channels during the war, and then they call it a wide-ranging news conference.

That's just the word I said they wouldn't use.

He expressed his confidence in the battle against inflation will be won.

He said people will initiate new programs to bring food prices down unless there is some improvement.

The president reaffirmed his position.

that busing compounds the evil and the tempting to desegregate American schools.

He said it poisons relationships between whites and blacks and creates racism.

He also rejected the charge that this moratorium will lead to separate but equal schools.

I knew that they were going to drive it out, but I didn't think it was happening.

I've been very lucky.

That the shotgun approach to compensatory education will not work.

So they both go from Paris.

That's good.

It's to the economy.

A middleman is a good staple of the society.

That's right.

That's a good position to be in.

Some of those people will pick up that $0.30 a dozen, $50 a dozen per age.

In other words, they're compensating on the two.

Two eggs cost $5 at the other hotel.

So that's $30 a dozen.

That's too damn long.

The President also expressed confidence in my opinion on elections, predicting the Senate would return to nationals by February.

This is a firmly-defendant settlement of the IDP case, and it's an objective charge that the administration's prognosis.

Nobody gets anything back when they make campaign contributions to his re-election.

The court is standing in good faith.

That's the ironic thing.

If they aren't building planning, then it's great.

Well, I don't know, of course, what the...

In fact, in this example of the cleric, there's a little session on the... Oh, listen.

Did anybody ask about that stupid story in the Times of the cleric?

You know he does that?

But Griswold had to try the case.

And he said it was a very good case because he realized he couldn't win the Doddman case.

He might not have lost all three of them, but McLaren had to do it.

The hard line is you've got to try all four cases.

He did exactly what he should have.

He was doing what he should do, and Griswold did what he should do in settling the case because he knew there was a good chance he could win.

That's the way you plan to do this.

I was hoping somebody would ask me what I'm supposed to do.

Oh, that's a big one.

Yeah, that's a big one.

I don't know how you're going to do this.

Because the biggest investment you're going to make is you're going to go out and buy everything else.

Not a dime, not a dime, not a dime.

Have you ever seen that?

Do you have any fresh start?

Well, I'm sure there is.

Go ahead.

You want to like the glass houses?

I was getting them out there, because they were, you know, remarking about that.

You've got to, they're watching, you're going to start having to bring ginger ale on those fresh lights.

Bob was raising the point about, you know, I would comment on the San Diego case too.

That's part of the plan, isn't it?

No, it isn't in there yet.

That's what it's all about.

I said I would not comment on the hearings or the process of progress.

I'm not going to comment on the San Diego case.

What, does that concern you?

No, I was just afraid to make out that I was trying to answer it.

You know, that's why I'm just not going to concentrate on this.

He said you had retarded those questions.

Yeah.

And it was interpreted, it could have been interpreted really either way because of the IPT thing or also the climbing, the climbing thing.

That's right.

A smart reporter could have followed that up by saying, just a minute, that's not part of that case.

And then you're stuck with the .

I wasn't concerned about the way it was now.

What I was saying was that this press conference, in my view, would have been just fine on television.

I don't think there was any problem, and we didn't clear anything out of the way here that couldn't have been cleared out of the way just as effectively on TV.

As a matter of fact, I think at the beginning of the talk, there was no comment on some of these things.

Did I hear you right, sir?

Would you like to hold them?

No, sir.

Put them, stand right there, and go right there.

If you've got any questions, there won't be any answers.

No, I think you could have done the whole thing.

I think we do often prepare the Q&A and all the rest of it.

Can I ask you a question?

Yes, go ahead.

I've heard all the answers, so we should all do them.

Is that true?

Of course it is.

I have a question.

Do you read them?

Because they just had the live television, and they edited the film, and they were shorter.

Oh, you didn't prepare them?

It's that morning, I guess.

Well, I'd like to have you in.

You know, he can get a press conference by saying, gentlemen, I want you to know that I'm going up to Camp David over the weekend.

You know, that's tight.

Oh, yeah.

Almost.

Johnson also opened.

Johnson was supposed to do that.

Yeah, his announcement takes 15 minutes sometimes.

And the first question to take another 10, he said, thank you.

At least they have a hell of a lot of questions.

17 to 21.

They asked on the last vote, don't you think, Ron?

The last part of the last vote.

Well, I think so.

No questions?

Absolutely.

Huh?

Why do we have to sit there and say, well, I'm going to try to answer that?

We don't.

We don't have a problem in carrying that.

I'm just listening back to see what Eric was talking about.

It's going to be better than being in England.

So the main thing I returned, we don't do that part.

That's why I made the two extended mentions.

We're supposed to get our point across.

So I started by doing one question and started doing one on that.

Otherwise, all we do is sit there and answer every goddamn question.

That's the problem.

That's where TV is essential.

Because if you had been on TV, that whole pitch would have gotten crossed.

It won't now.

Because they won't carry it all back.

by hitting NBC on that compensatory education failure thing.

In fact, nobody ever had that.

Only one lawyer about that.

Well, there's no question about the fact that if there is an incident, we're talking about that often in the in-office of the television conference.

You really are going direct on the television conference.

That's the way we ought to go 99.9% of the time.

Yeah, and do exactly the same thing.

Make a speech to them.

What the hell's the reason why you can't?

You should.

You have a lot.

There's a subject that you want to make a speech to, make it.

And then they ignore, in fact you shouldn't even hear about, the people that will write it and say you shouldn't give such wrong answers.

Because it just, you know, there's always, if you do it the other way, they'll write it and say you shouldn't give such short answers.

You've had it all the way.

Sure.

And you always will.

Some people want you to be more thoughtful, and some people want you to be more sound and quick.

Actually, this has a good mix.

There was firmness and there was warmth and there was, you know, a little bit.

And that's not the question they were running to.

Well, all of us thought that we expected to be a very helpful conference.

They have a very fresh and strong story.

That was the most important question in the conference, what the degree was in terms of each.

Also, the question about the three regular questions, of course, that's a silly proposal, a silly idea.

Well, at least they didn't have to finish out a conference or go out and play.

Right.

Caught them by surprise, didn't they?

They're all here, though.

It's a good idea.

I don't know whether we ought to rule out the name of all these Congresses totally.

I mean, in view of the fact that they are not as much work as a college conference, although I could have done this on college without any problem.

I think it may be that I put too much effort into all these powers.

I think that's the problem.

I mean, I try to work too much on the shared part.

Scott, there you go.

I could read.

Well, I...

There's a margin of return.

Excuse me?

There's a margin of return.

I mean, we're trying to get 20% more work on the end, so...

But the point is, we get to invest the workers in time.

Yeah.

Well, you're going to take off two days for that.

I didn't take as much time.

You know, I heard this was ready.

That ties up.

So today, I spent a little time.

One of the things about doing it without so much preparation is that you can be more relaxed.

You may not be quite as precise, but what the hell is the difference if you manage?

Do you think you manage?

I think it's better to be out there a little more relaxed, maybe.

Maybe you have a few damaged particles.

What the hell's the difference?

The three or four points that you want to get across, because then you know you'll get a question, and then just kind of waltz through the rest of it.

You've got to be in the lost generation.

Yeah.

Notice that's the...

That's the inevitable vice president's question, too.

Well, that's the fact.

I think that's the last question.

Jerry, who was a board of course, and I'm not sure who he was.

Who are you?

No political speeches.

And no preferences before partisan political groups.

Right.

Except in the White House.

That was on that second question, because then they thought, does that mean you're not going to do any campaigning until after the convention?

He said, yes.

I'm not going to do any campaigning.

I'm not going to do any political speeches, no partisan groups, no political questions at any forum.

That's now for this president.

Yeah.

I'm just going to take a hard line from that family.

And we've got to do that.

Now, that means the women when they come here.

It means, you know, the national committee.

It means the women aren't coming.

They're probably in government nationally as kind of when that's done.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to do it as partisan.

Let's be sure they get the word.

What do you think in the middle of that?

What do you think will get the evening news?

Usually you've got to spot two or three minutes.

Yeah, because you've got to see it.

There's two, three.

Yeah.

Well, that's one way to speak to it.

Well, they've got to use the Paris Peace Talk story.

They've got to use the meeting story.

There's enough in here that they'll split it.

See, the marijuana group at least sent out a trace.

They will split it.

They won't run it as a test counter story.

They'll run it as... Well, they'll go start...

I said the same level of possession or they'll use the marijuana.

You can't have... Criminal justice can't be based on philosophy.

It's something half legal and half illegal.

God damn it, now that place is in a favor, right?

Straight across the street from Hager, that asshole.

Well, she was saying it was a silly ass thing to do, right?

Oh, I gave her a little bit.

I think we've got that one, but if the rest wants it, we're on it.

Hard on it.

I'll let others be for it.

Huh?

We've got a lot of hard on that stuff in there.

The line on the filibuster at the Paris East Park is a good way to bring that up.

There's a tree and a half years in the filibuster.

We're trying to break the filibuster.

There was no hope for the success of the project the way it resulted.

I'm not saying that they will be built, but at least we've got to try.

That's what we're trying to do.

The thing about this kind of thing that bothers the weather director might go into service.

You can do this about easily once a week.

I guess you're right.

Once a week's too long.

I don't think you want to shift gears that fast either.

No, you don't want to do a lot of political news.

I think you've got it in the back of your head.

What do you think about even doing any more in the office at all, to answer that question?

Well, I think the television approach you talked about earlier, I think we should leave the option open to maybe, if suits are, to have a campaign.

I have a short thing out there.

You can go out on one subject there and say, look, I have an announcement.

I don't have any questions on the announcement.

That's easy.

But I do think we should look for some like that.

I haven't found any.

Well, I do think it's important because then you give them the chance to select.

And I don't think you should...

Why bother?

Yeah, still 50 questions they wanted to carry.

Do you not film?

Well, see, the only way I would argue that is to give them a chance in here to select.

Give them a chance out there to select.

But the only thing you give them, the only additional you give them is a chance to select film footage.

Why bother?

Give them a chance to select in here.

But you're against this, too.

No, I'm wondering, if you do out there, it ought to be 90 seconds.

Yeah, one thing about it, that's for sure.

One thing about it is that I'm not sure that we were right in not having this on the radio.

Well, if you were right in having it in the office, you were right in not having it on the radio.

Particularly with what they've been doing with the radio.

You know, look at this thing.

Here's what he needs to do, and then we're going to do it.

President Nixon today refused to answer any questions on all the issues.

Totally embarrassed by the terrible situation, the deepening political crisis that he sets his administration, a crisis of confidence and scandal.

Listen to George.

I won't comment on the RGT case on the floor of the Senate.

Zebra's already answered that.

I have no comment.

I won't answer a political question.

I don't think any political speech is necessary.

I've already covered that question.

Put all those together and leave everything else out.

And rather, here's the good-ass kid with the grin on his face and says, and so the administration is even incorporate the election approaches.

That's exactly what I thought.

They can do that with a radio tape.

Sure.

But on television they can't because people are seeing the whole set.

You take that radio tape.

I could edit that and make you sound like you were scared to death.

by taking just those things that I was insurers to get out that thing that was counted as 30 cents a dozen, $30.

He didn't put it that way in the last three months.

He said 30 cents a dozen.

And $5 is two to two.

That isn't quite very long.

Did you say 30 cents a dozen?

He paid $30 a dozen.

We'll tell if he got the rates too much.

He paid the rate of $30 a dozen.

That's right.

I bet it was another 50% to take.

It shows very, very .

But also, that's publicly named.

It's a bus.

It's a cable down here that he's saying publicly named.

Which he is.

Of course, the meeting thing will play, but not as suddenly out of this conversation, because the meeting thing is .

Well, I'm not sure about that.

Maybe I'm having to be one for talking about it, doing one of these.

And then doing a television.

And then doing one week, and then doing another television.

It's too bad.

In other words, you wouldn't waste it either.

You know, you get terrific discipline to do your demonstration.

That's another thing I want to do.

I mean, once a month, people can fart around about it.

And like an expert, they can ask a little comment about crazy and shakery land.

But boy, if we gave them discipline on this stuff today, I could defend Lawson.

You know?

And the way I defended it was very effective, for a reason.

I said, I have, you know, how those thoughts are going.

They're going very well, Mr. President.

So, the communists and the pro-separatists.

Well, but that thing about the fucking Trump campaign, he won't pass out if they're not killed still.

I'm, well, crossing the edge.

Well, with the House and Senate meeting, even members of the House and Senate are raising the question.

Sue McDonough, everybody knows her.

The one guy who gets drunk, tries to call a girl, she can be drawn out of public life for him, right?

Plus there'll be lots and lots of people.

Including Albert.

Ann Boggs, that happens regularly, too.

Most of, a lot of those guys have nails.

Russell Long, you know, Jackson used to let me drink.

He'd show you his client, every girl he'd find, you know, he'd get to the get-go.

You see, he's steady now.

He's on the way.

He doesn't drink at all.

Really?

Not a drop.

Like I said, girl, but he's here.

Got a new wife.

He must have taken some sort of medicine.

I don't think a man can stop that.

Well, he, that night, he wouldn't touch a sip of wine.

No, nothing before, he just made a juice before dinner, and he had...

A tub of grape juice instead of wine at dinner?

No frankie after dinner?

If other people were drinking, they'd pass it to them, you know?

You're sure you wouldn't go on and do the, you just don't think you'd do one of these every two weeks?

I just think there's a matter of discipline in playing football.

Also, you have a... Well, you can put these assholes in here and look them in the eye.

But I think it...

I think it...

I think it fits the principle.

Well, without talking about the... the... the foreign person, you're... you're... You do TV every once a month, for sure.

That I know.

You can't do TV once every two weeks.

There's no... You do TV every once a month, in my opinion.

And I think that's it.

I think it would be good to start setting a pattern before August.

Because then that pattern...

I was talking to Ron about the fact that in August we had to use right then.

That's one thing we can do.

We could fire around the country.

But we also should use restaurants in August.

See, if you set the pattern before August 5, then we can just move through it very smoothly.

And you don't have the...

I think you've got to get this charged and all of that on TV.

You've got to push that and get it on TV as soon as you can.

I don't think you should think about this kind of thing.

No, I do.

I think you've covered most of it on every question.

You have a couple of good answers that make news that are good points you want to make, but that's about it.

And you won't have to finesse all the others.

Most of it you can answer with any word you have.

Any word is added.

I think it's always nice to follow the discipline of Dr. Michael, who Laura can't get interested in.

I want to mention the fact that we have a new project.

If she thinks of it, it makes this other conference feel a little bit cheaper.

The inauguration is present in the club, and of course there's another.

Or music, though.

Yes, he's the recording partner.

I don't know, but I need to do a little of that.

It's all right.

And then lightens the whole thing up a bit.

Looks good.

Sarah, she pulled them out.

I don't know where she...

Is somebody going to say, well, he is invited to go?

No, not in this case.

They don't want to go.

They don't want to be invited in?

Right.

Go.

If that comes up, there's no change.

I'm sure it will.

I'm not sure I'd rule out doing that off of a comment.

I might try one next time as just an easy preparation to make before.

And you know what it means to see in those terms.

In that case, it probably would be worth it.

Well, yeah.

And of course, the more frequently you do them, the more you're in a pattern where you do need just

of brush-up rather than... You've got answers that were prepared for last time that you haven't used that you can, like for your television one.

Like that time you did the one on TV and then did the follow-up the next day or a couple days later or whatever it was because you hadn't, remember we did a follow-up on domestic because there hadn't been any questions on it.

Yeah.

I'm getting back to it.

See, I'm getting to the comment point about delivering.

You shouldn't invert more leadership.

I don't know what leadership is.

Not by the designs I don't, but we try with the cabinet.

We try to go with the leaders.

None of them take the picture better.

But the press conference is the way to do it.

It sure is one of the really good ways.

You ever heard a lot better in speeches?

Most of the time.

No better than the buses speak to us.

All right.

Or probably no better than what I said on our college in New York.

That's probably not true.

Yeah, but you need to do some of those.

It's better than a speech that's just a speech for the sake of making a speech.

I'd like to get that triangle done quite soon before we lost the trip and take it where it's lost so we can get that hand.

I think that's a hell of a good idea, the new triangle hand.

I haven't thought about it so much.

It's a good idea to cover it in this little gilded thing we'll reserve for the new triangle hand.

This is a picture of the Tide.

One thing that was good about the busing thing was that I was able to say a real tough, you know, I mean, you know, in reference to how I believe, you know, which I think is good, too, but the truth of all things, there's the only people that have an op-ed in conspiracy and all that stuff, and I don't believe in busing, and I told them all that.

Do you agree?

Yeah.

Yeah, and that's where this kind of thing, they see that.

It's a lot different than Ziegler going out and saying, this is the president's position on something.

The Watson answers, they could have said the same thing.

You say it, it makes your point.

The busting, it is good.

The busting creates racism.

It has been said that it does.

I thought you said Croswell was left.

Are you serious?

No.

Miller was left.

He said he didn't want her as a hero.

I didn't know that.

Donaldson's back.

Donaldson's left.

Left L.A.

But he's not back as Bureau Chief.

He's back as a special... You know what?

We've got a new site manager from this country.

He's a student.

But there's a bill of the county and a triple of it.

And that'll help him again.

You know what I mean?

It's a small...

I mean, when you take a look at doing one of these on a basis of a very, very brief preparation.

See, my problem is the preparation time.

And I just don't want to, you know, I also work, and it takes a lot of energy.

But this did not.

This didn't bother me a hell of a lot.

You know, I was quite familiar with the settings, of course.

And also, you know, you gain a hell of a lot when you're able to start a college and not only discuss political problems, but not only discuss political problems, but some progress.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, I'm standing, I'm planning to do something, and it's brought up the other person.

Take your energy and plan it.

You're right, though.

If we give them three, we're able to take out just those quick breast cancers without the others around them.

If I was just trying to .

Might not happen if we had time.

You're right.

We could.

It was a TV show.

All right.

Why don't you have Colson come in first?

Mm-hmm.

He does.

And he may have heard it.

I don't think he will.

I don't, I think the chance very well.

The credit that he does will be able to bring the group down and get back.

If he doesn't, it's better than if he didn't get back.

It's worth the trying to get something.

He's getting, he's already got it.

He's got to get a beard off.

Bring benefits, if not the big break.

Oh, we've got the committee office.

I'm busy for a while.

No, it's good in the name of the point that these controls are working.

The part that Mr. Meany got off about is working.

Yes, sir.

We'll try something.

Do something about it?

I haven't taken the line.

By God, if they don't come out, we're going to do something about it.

I'm sorry, I don't know what we're going to do, but we'll do something.

That's the other good point.

You're going to have to do something.

Sure.

They might as well say they're going to do something.

Just say it.

They don't bring it down.

Who knows?

Plus, the economists say they're going to come down anyway, so you might as well be...

I know they aren't going to stay up for another month, I'm pretty sure.

And, you know, that period, they haven't changed their...

They haven't changed their...

But they say that science says they are coming down now.

The storage is so aware of it, the storage may grind something, especially when you say that you start hanging trucks of hearing and all that over, and they're going to start getting their own records in order for when they come in to talk.

Of course it isn't.

And some of us in storage, we're in a hell of a lot of storage.

It's all been changed.

See, the Teamsters union, you get a new trucking settlement, so they have to haul all that stuff by trucks, and the freight rates go up.

Delivery costs.

Utility.

Nobody buys meat like they used to.

It was from a butcher.

Cut it off.

It's all packaged up.

Sliced and all the fat trimmed off.

Lungs taken out.

The eggs are done.

The parm is done or something like that.

$30 a dozen.

Hell, Pierre, they're not done to parmesan.

They're not even good aged, well fried.

Soft boiled.

Well, you're in great form.

I mean, I was listening to the... Oh, can you hear me now?

Well, I had a signal set up when I went over there at Operation Basement BLB.

You can listen to it.

Beautiful, eh?

I was going to regret it when you went on live TV because you were in so long.

Oh, God, you had the twist of humor there for you.

The praises are just magnificent.

You sure did it.

Couldn't have come to that time because Stevenson, Senator Stevenson this morning called for findings that would grow a determination and

Scoop Jackson said, in the future, all antitrust cases ought to be submitted to the Congress review if they're going to be settled out.

Of course.

Oh, shit.

And, of course, what you did was just to shove it right to the Democrats.

Where the hell were you when this company was enjoying its greatest growth?

Marvelous.

And the... Oh, okay.

Well, you made the point that you haven't seen it reported very much.

And they'll catch up on it.

I was going to say, I imagine half the Congress just sitting up there now sweating a bit.

ABC News had already gone over this morning to the State Department to ask for their files.

And all Congressmen who have had incidents abroad, of course, the Central State Department, they don't work it because they haven't got such files.

They do.

Sure.

And they don't want to, of course, they don't want to have that now.

So I think with your comments, plus the story that ABC had this morning on the radio.

Well, I also think that the only way that he could be properly offended is to say, well, now let's go to what's happening.

I don't know what's going on with that.

Exactly.

And I should know that he's conducting himself with confidence and sobriety.

Exactly.

As I say, you had the right blend of toughness and humor.

I was sitting there listening to you saying, God, I was

I just wish that 40 million people were watching this.

You did it beautifully, mainly overstepping.

I think you've nailed it on the fact that a majority of his members will support what you're doing for that.

And if you also put that part of the program in,

he's been drawn from has been successful.

And also, I think getting them to side with lower food prices, I said, they will come down.

We're going to do something about it.

Oh, that.

Oh.

The middleman.

The middleman and the retailer.

I'd like $30 a dozen for eggs.

That's going very heavily on the water.

$30 a dozen.

Yeah, and then you've got it back when you're going to have me at your birthday scene where you're sitting out with $30 a dozen eggs.

Maybe you'll invite me.

I thought the...

Going after the middleman, I've been pushing everybody around here for two months to get after that middleman because the farmer resents it always.

And the housewife, the housewife doesn't take her wrath out on the farmer.

She takes it out on giant food or Safeway or wherever she shops.

And we started a suit yesterday against one food chain.

And I think Stein hit it this morning and Conley hit it on the Today Show, and now you're hitting it.

It's just marvelous.

That's the natural enemy of, for sure, similar to the question that's followed up in the end, to say, where would that end up?

Second.

Then this goes on.

Oh, third, I was hoping somebody, I thought somebody would pick me up.

I said, well, what about Mr. McLaren's statement that he wanted to file a suit?

I said, why, of course.

That was exactly what he said.

I said, how do you then settle on a certain situation, John?

As a lawyer, you've got to convince the person you're going to settle with that you may or may not need a court.

Chetney had them at all times.

Oh, marvelous.

And of course, the other answer would be Griswold refused to take the case.

That's a very good sentence.

But you couldn't have done it as well in court as you did out of court.

Well, I think...

I would be...

They're so dishonest and vague and imprinted and carry the comments.

No, the Warriors are playing it well.

I think you'll find that you made a lot of news in that press conference.

You hit a lot of points.

How do you like the line about them pretending to break a photo of you in Paris?

Excellent.

That's the lead of the Parasites.

They're leading all the way.

But I think you'll learn.

I was so glad you took the ITT case on, on the antitrust record, because that's...

Without getting into it, we didn't want to.

Yeah, that doesn't involve that case in the slightest.

I mean, there's no... What the proceedings are going on are one thing, but that case and the record of this administration is something wholly apparent.

And...

You made the point that if we wanted to do any favors, we could have dropped that case as the previous administration did, not prosecute it.

Now, I think that's... Leave him alone.

Leave him alone as the previous administration did that.

I think that's excellent.

Perfect.

I imagine that the Congress will feel very edgy over the...

People in glass houses shouldn't do the same.

They're going to know that you mean business as you do, that you're not going to take this kind of stuff lying down.

And if they want to be rough, we can be rough.

No, I think he, I think the busing... Well, Tom said, well, I suppose, he said, well, because of the defending guards in there, when I'm out of home, I've said personal conduct, you know, I can defend it.

I said, well, that's how it is.

No, he did it with a nice, he did it with a nice laugh and just the right twist.

And it was a good, a good quick warning, but it also puts it right in the gut.

Of course, I was delighted that you had an opportunity to do it.

to state your views on the marijuana commission.

Well, I just thought I'd go hard there.

I think it's a good line.

You can't build a system of criminal justice based on the philosophy that's on the list.

That's probably the very best way that we have to get to the commission findings.

That's the strongest explanation of it.

Because otherwise...

maybe it's a bad to let people in their own homes or you know you can get off onto that argument except that except that homosexuality basically is a physical abnormality that people have

And if they practice the goddamn stuff in their homes, you know, with other people and so forth, but not in public places, nobody should get after them.

You have a veteran, and I suppose some might pick that up and say, well, what about homosexuality?

Homosexuality is something that isn't going to change.

A person can't give that up.

They just can't give up marijuana.

Isn't that it?

Homosexuals are homosexuals.

Joukowsky is a homosexual.

It's a neurotic illness.

Well, I think the

No, I think that's by far the strongest line you can take on that point.

That's very good.

Damn good to knock it down.

I think the timing of that was just ideal.

In fact, I think you hit every point that we...

If I could have chosen the points I'd like to see hit, you hit food prices just the right way.

You hit busing with a very good explanation.

And you weren't holding out any false promises about compensatory...

We're trying, sure.

We're trying.

You hit IUC on our strongest ground, which is where it should be hit, and where you would... Well, and I couldn't get into the fact, well, what about the contribution and all the rest, but I was tempted to say to that, well, the Attorney General's response and the rest, or Attorney General Mitchell's response, but I just said I'm not going to comment on the hearings.

I think that's the best line.

But they're clearly divorces.

The hearings going on right now, that's one thing.

The antitrust record of this administration, you are accountable for.

The hearings, there's nothing you can say about the hearings that would help, because if you said they're going too far, then they would say you're trying to suppress it.

If you condemn them, then you hurt our people.

And if I hadn't been in the business of saying, well, there was no connection between the contribution and the rest, I'd open it up at all.

You can't pass judgment.

And then they asked me about the San Diego case and the rest, and I said, I've answered that.

But the antitrust record of this administration is one thing that, as president, that's a policy decision, that's a record of achievement, and you're absolutely justified stepping right up and defending that damn thing.

I think that...

That is totally separable from the hearing.

I thought that was perfectly done.

We're plugging along on that one also.

The experts are all over at the Bureau now, the outside experts.

And the assistant director told John Dean this afternoon, I hesitate to tell you this, he said, God, he said, if you go to the swingers, really what was going on, he said, after all, the

We understand it now.

Well, I think we should have waited a little more in the line list.

But they're very open-minded, and I say that it was explicit.

They have their last sentence, and they're letting it charge them immensely.

And the news...

They've had McCrone in there since 1 o'clock.

And as of the moment I came over here, they have not broken.

which indicates that he's making some hay with it.

He stuck his head out to tell the lawyer at one point that he thought he was making really good progress with the Bureau.

McCrone was convinced that it was acting.

Oh, yes, positively.

Well, he's convinced that it could have been any time, but he's now convinced it wasn't June 25th because of differences in the papers.

And he ran a paper analysis, which the Bureau didn't run, and he says it was not June 25th.

that it could have been any time, including January.

Titel says that she's convinced that the correct match is with January.

And I'm pushing IP&T very hard to put these two out there tomorrow, if for no other reason than to reassure the appearance.

And they're, of course, they're holding back their judgment until we see how this meeting goes this afternoon.

Because if it goes well, then maybe we'd have a bureau report.

play the press conference very differently if he knew you were going to have some corroboration from the Bureau.

But that decision we will make tonight, and hopefully they will do it tomorrow.

We, through Scali, were able to get a good part of this out to ABC, and they've got a seven-minute feature on it tonight.

That there's evidence mounting that it was a fraud, and putting out

the best stuff that we've found out, unaccredited, and John's getting it out to a friend of his, keeping the White House out of it.

Rejections, you're imagining, where he says, if you can have a trust issue, it should be decided with Congress.

Well, any that are settled at a court.

And be submitted to Congress?

What in the name of Christ was he held as the name settled was made?

Well, it's a hell of a thing for him to say when his, when the two Democratic administrations refused to touch this case.

Senator Henry Jackson, sharply.

They're just trying to make a political day.

I had Lou Harrison for lunch today.

There wasn't any other news being made today of really any consequence to

You'll talk into the Paris peace talks, the prospects of a soil agreement.

Right.

That was very important.

That came at the very end.

It gave you a chance to say, well, I didn't do very good.

The drug, I would imagine the marijuana question will run.

I'm sure the line about people who live in glass houses shouldn't go down.

I think people want to defend their man, don't they?

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Like people don't want to provide a several-rounding rocket to ask for your resignation.

Of course, that's the State Department.

My doctor wouldn't do it.

I mean, the poor bastard got drunk.

Paul DeGiro, not for Christ's sakes.

I've seen Rutgers before.

Paul DeGiro.

I know.

We don't mail all that in our lifetime.

You understand?

We've got to be a little more sympathetic about this sort of thing.

Well, apparently he's got a bit of a record of this.

I know.

So be it.

He's doing a good job.

He calls girls into the State Department at 20 minutes.

That may upset the State Department more than anything.

Harris was down for lunch with me this morning.

He doesn't think that he is.

ITT case can hurt us now.

He thinks the damage will be done if the Democrats in the fall use it as a campaign thing.

He made what I thought was a hell of a good suggestion.

He said force the committee to issue a committee report.

He said even if it's a divided report, force them to issue a report on whether there was any wrongdoing.

And he said, if you're convinced they can't establish this connection, then you'll be able to say, well, the Democratic committee, fine.

I think it's a damn good idea.

No, he isn't.

He's being a little part of it and trying to keep his committee happy, which...

He isn't going to be able to do it.

I don't know.

You'll hear some of our people get very concerned, maybe some of them rave, but I'm suggesting some of them are drunk.

Well, I know that's just all right, too.

I mean, it's well for me to let them know that I'm looking right in the damn eye.

Yeah, it isn't today's story that matters.

I mean, that's the one day past.

It's letting them know that if they're going to play the game that way,

We'll play it rough.

And that's the message they get out of that, which is damn important in this world.

Because if they think they can have a field day running these kinds of exercises over here, there'll be no end to it, correct?

The Foreign Relations Committee today has announced they're going to start hearings into the... Is that in a year or...

Into the IGP, Chile, yeah.

In a year.

Far from.

And they can't make a news in that area that gets people very excited.

Well, I think most Americans would take the attitude that if ICT and the U.S. government were trying to keep accountants from taking over in South America, that's a pretty damn good thing.

I don't think anybody would say that.

What do you know of that?

Did he do it at the office?

I doubt it.

Then you bet you're right.

We were fighting out here.

We were, but that was long off.

That was unseemly.

We made the request.

I just read the record.

It's very indicated they're out of the country.

Not the state of Maryland.

And that's, in fact, what they did.

At very considerable expense to the private firms and the U.S. government, because a lot of those weren't sure to get sold.

See, the way I got the $30, the economist didn't say that.

He said, he said, you know, I went out and talked to him.

I went out there and saw all my friends.

You know, he's a great listener.

He used to grow chickens.

I said, how much did you get raised?

He says, well, he says $300.

He's a good person.

He does it.

I didn't take care of it all the way.

I ordered two eggs for breakfast.

And you know what, they were two and a half cent dollars a piece, not five dollars for two eggs.

So I multiplied that by five dollars for two eggs, about $30 a gallon.

That's about as graphically as you could illustrate the difference between the farmer and the consumer.

From 30 cents to $30.

That's a marvelous line for us to be on this program.

Here we are again.

Over here.

And you know, these bastards are so petrified of the thought that they can't get their own party together.

They know there isn't an important policy to be embraced.

But they now are just going to go out on a smear campaign, that's all.

That's exactly right.

And the other thing I think you ought to get at is, what happened to my little project?

The Congress has now been in session 90 days, not one thing passed.

The leadership started to do that, Mr. President.

They did it for about a week, and then dropped it.

What we plan for next week is to have Clark McGregor go out here to the press room and give an account of all the administration proposals and lack of action, and just give them, gently as he did last year,

Well, the trouble we have, and what went wrong with the standing up every day, was that every time we do that, somebody comes running in and says, don't make Will or Mildred mad because they're getting revenue shunned this week, and don't get Russell Long upset because we've got to have the welfare fund.

And that's been a continuing problem that we have within the administration.

We'll call and say, come, hit them on this because I'm just getting this.

I'd like to let Elliot know because he's working very hard.

Oh, I do.

Not to be...

He's either going to get something that we can't live with, or he's going to get a pilot program, which if we get that, everybody is going to be happy and relieved.

I've seen the whole thing here.

The difficulty with all those press conferences is that I'm passed on to people that do not want to work and I spend too little days.

And I have to go on and I'm going to see a lot of them.

I'm finding that I love it better.

And I don't think I need to.

I mean, the answers become more precise, they become more crisp, you know, and I enjoy it.

But I didn't get to all these press conferences where they did not spend so much time.

pick out three or four things I want to say, and then do a speech about those, and then ask the other question.

Just what you did today.

Oh.

And it was totally accurate.

It wasn't as crisp.

I mean, not as well-organized as some of my answers.

But I don't think I should strive for total perfection.

No, I don't think you need to.

I think people get an impression.

For example, had you made that point of, we stopped at a T&T, and the two...

previous administration did, and 40 million people were watching it, and you said it as critically as you said it, that would get across, I mean, that would impress those people.

That statement about people in glass houses shouldn't do the same.

People are left with impressions at the press conferences.

They're left with impressions.

You don't have to be a union member.

No, you don't.

And as a matter of fact, if you're a little bit

If you're as relaxed as you would have been, I think it comes across better.

You were in such command that you were able to just toss it right back.

Well, I think you could do that on a televised press conference without the

being hurt in the slightest.

As long as you turn it off, Christian.

And don't equivocate about it.

I guess, remember Kennedy's first time?

If he, on rare occasions when the press would toss a card at him, he would turn it off with a smile and a quick glib answer that might not have been related to the question.

Blue Harris' general feeling, Mr. President, is that we've just, this is our year.

Things are just going your way.

And he said, the only good idea is just don't get too cocky.

He said, you're doing so well.

Well, he just said, don't relax, because he said, every primary has been de-organized.

The results on both sides of the culture.

He said, the Democratic situation is absolutely bad.

He said, right now, he wouldn't even get us.

He doesn't think so.

No, no.

The economy is not even the best kind of economy.

The Kennedy's not?

Mr. President,

If you could see those 700 letters that came back from New Hampshire, my God, they're violent.

Well, he may do well in the polls, but I think that man would beat himself.

Half of those 700 letters mentioned John McClendon.

Half of them mentioned John McClendon.

And some of them mentioned my son down in the war that your brother died in the war.

He just, he just arrived and said, let's get off.

And all we had to do was go get a hell of a publicity and file a petition, and then there was a second one filed, and we got some publicity, but we didn't have our full assertion, asking why that resolution wasn't enacted.

But we can trade.

Of course, we don't have to wait for that.

We can start unilaterally letting out some of the air we've got.

You have a case with the president.

I was just going to mention, I heard some of the... Oh, yeah.

He called Ray after the initial shock that realized he was the only labor member.

He said he was happier than ever.

He said, do you write on?

He said, you're putting it to the old man just where it hurts the most.

He said he had had his phone in the rain off the hook.

Wow.

No, all but two calls with people saying, God bless, stay with us.

Building grades, he said he heard me all the time from the building grade.

He said, if I could help with that a little bit today, it would be nice, or I could meet him, or I could step in some paper with him.

He stood up, and all of a sudden, a lot of us, we were responding to him saying, we're ready to come.

I'm glad that that's what they love so much.

I'm glad he has the best.

I'm telling you, it's a good person.

Do you want me to get a button?

It was interesting that a lot of the questions today were on domestic issues as distinguished

A lot of this happens before you get inundated with foreign policy.

Well, except that you turn that CPI question right on by being a good person.

And I hope that plays heavy because I think that's...

Exactly what you told us.

And he's going to do whatever is necessary to get them down?

Those are points that...

Yes, sir.

Who runs those?

The 5% increase is all right.

No, you didn't.

And you said that the sign got a little older.

You know, Butts is a hell of an effective advocate.

Maybe we can get him pounding away at the middleman.

We can make some news with that economy.

And the farmers will love it.

And to get them off this... Why doesn't he start a little about the...

But I think...

I think you broke it.

You broke out of it with the press by then, talking about the growth of ITT under the Trump administration.

That will help us, because now it's our fault in fact picking that up.

The press is going to have to use that.

It kind of breaks that web that they've had over funding anything good on our side of the list, too.

Well, it breaks the substance of the story.

Yeah.

It's a deal.

So we've got half a million dollars.

What the hell do they have for you?

You know, that question, but what about the contributions?

I thought I had two other questions.

I'm sure we could have contributions, but we need to do something for it.

Most of the complaints around here are that we haven't done very much for the people that have been here.

The, uh, yeah, no, I might get some fellas like Ricky to talk about this.

But I think the points you made today, Mr. President, on the domestic issues are ones where we've gained.

I think it will help to go ahead in busing, to move the ball ahead on the IT and through the food prices.

Because we're all going to have to say, watch yourself again, that we're not allowed to change it.

that it creates racism, that it's the wrong man, that it's a baratory disconstitution, because it means we're running on a ramp.

I mean, you make all the, you know, you see many points that you've made on that.

And also, the compensatory education, I don't know if it's going to work or not, but we've got to do something for those poor men and people, and they're never going to be able to see life the way it's important, what you make of your business.

The critics have decided this isn't doing anything good.

There wasn't too much.

But we're trying.

At least it's an honest credit.

Who's the good one?

The medication person.

That's good.

All right.

If I can break up the music, maybe 10 for the better medications.

I'm trying to do what I can.

Thank you.

I'm just calling to get some more stuff coming.

All right.

The question is if that report is taken on the states to qualify for disqualification.

Oh, yeah.

You're going to let me know.

Let me know if you've got anything.

Thank you for calling me up there to get your records.

I think we need to...

No, I understand.

I understand.

On this conference, this reception, it's about 300 people.

We don't want to talk to you.

We want to talk to you.

I don't know.

I can't hear you saying dinner.

Everything wrong.

That's a static dinner.

But do you want honors or an Oscar?

Do you want to use your money?

Oh, yeah.

I want to celebrate.

Celebrate.

It's about time.

I'll let you go to 100 if they want.

Well, we're trying.

We're out of time.

We'll do it just like we're working on it.

We're working on it.

Oh, shit.

They aren't doing good.

I don't want them.

Oh, shit.

All right.

And I think we're finished.

I don't think I have a question.

First class.

Second grade.

First class.

Second grade.